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      08-13-2012 02:37 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      im surpirsed it was that rusty in arizona!


      also put about 70 miles on the mg this weekend before parking it for a while. now that the crap fuel is mostly out of it its running really well... fun car to thrash around the backroads on
      Sounds like a nice drive. I need to find a good gt to drive.

      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Hey, what he thinks is rusty and what we here in the Midwest think is rusty are two different things!
      While I am in Arizona, the car did not originally come from Arizona. No clue about before that, but the car was purchased in the early 80's in a coastal city in California.

      If I had pictures of how bad it was I'd post them.
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      08-13-2012 03:21 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by Air and water do mix View Post
      Hey, what he thinks is rusty and what we here in the Midwest think is rusty are two different things!
      very true...

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      08-13-2012 03:22 PM #78
      My floors were well hidden crap. I went ahead and replaced them completely with new BMH ones. I started cutting and thinking about just doing patches but I didnt like them. I wanted them to be completely one piece for safety reasons. The B unibody isnt the strongest thing and the floors are the weak points. Having a patchwork floor was less than ideal. Because you have a GT, cutting floors out wont require as much scaffolding work to keep the body from flexing.
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      08-13-2012 03:25 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      i can see why engine swaps are economical for these things, the price for cams and worked heads on moss's site is
      one head and a cam would pay for most of a v6 swap. yikes...
      Dont bother with Moss for performance stuff. APT is all you need to know about.
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      08-13-2012 03:37 PM #80
      yeah the floor really isnt that bad - ive seen mk2 vws with worse floors - but by the time i look at all the little surface rust and the bubbles on the fenders im thinking its worth just doing the whole thing over... we'll see how the winter goes

      Quote Originally Posted by MCTB View Post
      Dont bother with Moss for performance stuff. APT is all you need to know about.
      just checked their site, thanks for the lead
      cheaper on there, but still not cheap. $400 header, $300 exhaust, $400 camshaft, $200 distributor rebuild/tune and im almost at the cost of the base engine/trans stuff for the v6 swap. decisions decisions...

      although after flogging it around this weekend i have to say the stock power output isnt really lacking too much, its not a screamer but it moves along well enough.

      so first things first... rust and interior sorted then ill worry about the engine stuff and well see how qiuckly this spirals out of control

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      08-13-2012 04:45 PM #81
      Haha, I'm with you on the power output. It's not lacking, but the potential is there and it would be a pity not to utilise it...

      I bought a new unleaded head, and I'm getting some nasty ideas in my head about upgrading the old unit. And maybe a new camshaft. And new carburetors. And exhaust. It does have a tendency to spiral out of control

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      08-13-2012 04:52 PM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by Archaeopteryx View Post
      I bought a new unleaded head, and I'm getting some nasty ideas in my head about upgrading the old unit. And maybe a new camshaft. And new carburetors. And exhaust. It does have a tendency to spiral out of control
      which is why i seems to me it doesnt make any sense to build the stock motor. i made the mistake of looking up dyno threads on mg experience, and was shocked and dismayed by the threads that popped up... $6-8000 builds (built crossflow heads, weber carbs, cam, high c/r bottom end, etc etc) that barely cracked 100hp to the wheels.

      $700-1000 would have me a low mileage v6 with all the trimmings, another couple hundred for a mustange trans... 200hp with a stock low miles motor.

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      08-13-2012 05:10 PM #83
      True that. It does not make economical sense to build on it, but I think I prefer the I4 over a V6.

      Any of them running superchargers?

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      08-13-2012 05:18 PM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by Archaeopteryx View Post
      but I think I prefer the I4 over a V6.
      as do i, and i think some sort of high revving 4 would be a more interesting fit for the car, but i didnt see many straightforward swap options for a K series honda or ecotec as i did for the gm v6... mostly due to the transmission choices. though i think either of those would be more fun, but the v6 swapped car we tuned was no slouch either, and that had an automatic in it as well.

      Quote Originally Posted by Archaeopteryx View Post
      Any of them running superchargers?
      i havent seen any dyno threads (or power claims at all) on the moss s/c setups... other than a few mentions in passing on the british v8 forum about guys not being satisfied with the blower setups and swapping them out in favor of a bigger motor.

      blower would be neat though, but looks like a spendy option as well.

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      08-22-2012 11:16 AM #85
      I say doing the floors is worth it. APT is a great place to get go fast bits. They only sell stuff that they know will work and all the vintage racers get their stuff from there. Ive bought quite a bit from there. You can build a B series motor to put out some very decent power but it requires a lot of work and money. I punched the B motor I had in my BGT out 40 over, put a nice aggressive street cam in it and then did some work to the HS4s and it ran amazingly well. Was a lot of fun.

      A lot of people go for the supercharger set up because its easy, doesnt require any major mods and some care that it is a period mod (granted, it wasnt a roots style blower). Judsons were very popular back in the day.


      I did however accumulate the parts needed to install a Zetec into the GT. Ive got a T5, the bellhousing, the right water pump, a set of DCOE 40s and the flywheel/ clutch set up. My mother in law is moving and wont have room for her 77 roadster so soon enough, it will all have a home. Might take me a little while since I just bought a house but slow and steady wins the race, right?
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      08-23-2012 10:43 PM #86
      so i had a crazy thought after talking to a coworker - who sent me the craigslist link to the car in the first place hah - whos had a bunch of british cars, and we thought it might be interesting to try and retain the B motor as a way to keep it mostly original... but do the mild cam/exhaust upgrades, tune up the ignition, and try to keep the SUs around for the look but hide a couple of throttle body injectors underneath them. itd be easy enough to hide a fuel rail where the choke linkage stuff is...
      with the carbs gutted other than the throttle plates.
      with the siamesed center cylinders itd be a pain to do port injection and that would of course ruin the "stealthy install" look as well.

      kind of an off the wall idea but it might be fun to mix in fuel injection. not going all out on the B motor itself would keep the cost down (he recommended a weber swap as hes done that to a few MGs hes had with great results, but webers are spendy so... FI is cheaper hah) i havent looked to see if anyone has done it yet...

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      08-23-2012 11:10 PM #87
      looks like guys are doing TBI type setups on the stock carbs...
      http://www.mgexperience.net/journal/...eID=2#jid-1682

      not sure how much i like that injector mounting arrangement, but it apparently works

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      09-13-2012 05:46 PM #88
      i stopped by the local MG/brit car resto shop last night to talk about what the best next step would be for the GT.

      sounds like we can try to squeeze it in for rust repair/paint work early next year. i checked out some interior panel and carpet samples he had from the various suppliers as well and i think the new interior should be looking really nice. the dark blue carpet and blue seats will look pretty sharp.

      he also showed me some of the throttle body injection setups that guys are running. some fairly cheap snow mobile throttles wiith injector ports. would make for some fun MS tinkering, and it oughta sound amazing as well...
      basically a home-grown version of these guys
      http://www.borla.com/products/induct..._throttle.html

      anyone have any experiences with the cross flow heads? sounds pretty inexpensive, when comparing it to the cost of a built factory head... this morning though i read some mixed reviews on mg experience, and there was a head porting company out of oregon that didnt seem to have many good things to say about the casting quality on the aluminum stuff, though they did make some good power from the sounds of it when they were all done up.


      i think im off the v6 for now... like the idea of the 4 cylinder, and after playing with an ITB'd 20
      v 4AGE toyota last weekend throttle bodies are sounding like more and more fun and closer in theme to the original spirit of the car (in my opinion). and with the right filter arrangment they may look like they actually belong in there

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      01-17-2013 12:48 PM #89
      i sold a car last night, so the plan is to give some attention to the MG now. starting with sorting the mechanical bits that need some attention - brakes, exhaust, fluids - and to begin investigating trigger options for the fuel injection... i guess there are a few crank trigger options floating around the MG forums but i need to look into that some more.
      if i can remove the distributor that may be the preffered option (and eliminate the variable of all the weights, springs, etc)


      still trying to nail down some plans for the paint/body work, and will probably hold off on any interior parts until a plan for that is more concrete.

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      01-17-2013 01:16 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      i sold a car last night, so the plan is to give some attention to the MG now. starting with sorting the mechanical bits that need some attention - brakes, exhaust, fluids - and to begin investigating trigger options for the fuel injection... i guess there are a few crank trigger options floating around the MG forums but i need to look into that some more.
      if i can remove the distributor that may be the preffered option (and eliminate the variable of all the weights, springs, etc)


      still trying to nail down some plans for the paint/body work, and will probably hold off on any interior parts until a plan for that is more concrete.
      Sounds good. I stopped buying parts way ahead of what I'm doing, as I've changed plans too many times in the past.

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      01-17-2013 01:41 PM #91
      yeah the engine stuff is always of course in flux, but i think ive talked myself out of the work of doing a v6 swap.

      if there was a good option for a (more) modern higher reving 4cyl that would be something id strongly consider (s2k swap? ) but barring that ill stick with whats there, and it needs an exhaust either way


      things like the interior and whatnot though im certain thatll remain blue, and as close to original as possible, but i just dont want to sink the money into it if the parts will sit in boxes for the foreseeable future waiting for the bodywork to be complete.
      i hear you on changing plans though, im guilty of that as well but i think this car will be best served by remaining as close to stock in appearance inside and out, and leave the tweaking for the hidden underhood bits.


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      01-17-2013 02:09 PM #92
      Screw the engine swap.

      I nominate CROSSFLOW Cylinder head!

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      01-17-2013 02:24 PM #93
      I absolutely LOVE this car. Always wanted an MGB, thought it would be a roadster, but once I saw this car in Octane, I knew a GT was really the right call. Some day...

      And I happen to like the Dunlop wheels. Nice break from the wires, and it gives the car the appearance of a small Aston Martin.

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      01-17-2013 02:31 PM #94
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      and to begin investigating trigger options for the fuel injection... i guess there are a few crank trigger options floating around the MG forums but i need to look into that some more.
      if i can remove the distributor that may be the preffered option (and eliminate the variable of all the weights, springs, etc)

      I've used the Megajolt crank trigger system that uses Ford EDIS ignition stuff, and it works well, and parts are cheap at the junkyard. If you're going with Megasquirt for your EFI system, it will control the EDIS system with no problems. You just need to find a mid-90s Escort with the 1.9, or an early 90s Ranger 4 cylinder and grab the crank pulley, EDIS module, crank sensor, and coil. Or, you can use the coil from a late 90s Dodge Neon (has normal spark plug style terminals on it). You put the Escort crank pulley in a lathe, and cut the 36-1 trigger wheel off. You can then TIG weld the wheel onto your MG crank pulley.

      Or, you can buy a laser-cut 36-1 trigger wheel from these guys:

      www.autosportlabs.com


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      01-17-2013 03:28 PM #95
      Quote Originally Posted by OldAndyAndTheSea View Post
      Screw the engine swap.

      I nominate CROSSFLOW Cylinder head!
      i did some reading on that as well and after stumbling across this site:
      http://www.flowspeed.com/

      i sort of started to back away from the idea. seems the casting quality is somewhat variable... makes me wonder whether its worth it.


      Quote Originally Posted by Mooosman View Post
      I've used the Megajolt crank trigger system that uses Ford EDIS ignition stuff, and it works well, and parts are cheap at the junkyard. If you're going with Megasquirt for your EFI system, it will control the EDIS system with no problems. You just need to find a mid-90s Escort with the 1.9, or an early 90s Ranger 4 cylinder and grab the crank pulley, EDIS module, crank sensor, and coil. Or, you can use the coil from a late 90s Dodge Neon (has normal spark plug style terminals on it). You put the Escort crank pulley in a lathe, and cut the 36-1 trigger wheel off. You can then TIG weld the wheel onto your MG crank pulley.

      Or, you can buy a laser-cut 36-1 trigger wheel from these guys:

      www.autosportlabs.com


      yup itll be MS'd for sure.
      it was more the packaging of the trigger wheel that im concerned about, and making that look clean and proper
      if others are using EDIS wheels that sounds good, preference is always to go with a known kit than to devise my own trigger mounting setup...
      ill have a look around the autosport site

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      01-17-2013 05:47 PM #96
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      ill have a look around the autosport site

      You can start here:

      http://www.autosportlabs.org/viewtop...f96e8bba6a8054

      This should be close to your engine, right? He's still using carbs, but the thread has some good pics of how he mounted the wheel and coil.


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      01-18-2013 12:59 AM #97
      Yup, same motor (as far as I'm aware anyway! This apparently has a slightly later engine in it, and I'm still learning my way around...)

      That's a clean looking trigger wheel setup, and it looks like it leaves some room for slight adjustment of the sensor, good deal.
      Definitely would go with something along those lines, his setup looks pretty clean over all. There's definitely from for improving and cleaning up the factory wire routing on my car.

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      01-18-2013 01:14 AM #98
      Flip it. Looks like a good egg, and you say you need to get rid of a whip or two

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      Please stop!!! You are taking all the good stuff!!

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      01-18-2013 06:51 AM #100
      Quote Originally Posted by ValveCoverGasket View Post
      Yup, same motor (as far as I'm aware anyway! This apparently has a slightly later engine in it, and I'm still learning my way around...)

      That's a clean looking trigger wheel setup, and it looks like it leaves some room for slight adjustment of the sensor, good deal.
      Definitely would go with something along those lines, his setup looks pretty clean over all. There's definitely from for improving and cleaning up the factory wire routing on my car.
      THe motors look to be the same, 5 main. Hard to tell from just the crank pulley though. There are a few people, like the linked message, who have retrofit a pure electronic ignition. For injection, since there is an intake available for a DCOE, finding DCOE ITBs will not be an issue. I personally would just go with HS6s but thats just me. EFI is cool and everything but its a lot of money and time for no real improvement over a well tuned set of HS carbs (which isnt tough). Open the throats a little and file the bridge down and they flow unbelievably well.

      A crossflow head is not really worth it and here is the reason: it makes no real improvements over the original design. It does allow for a 4 port intake but makes no changes in the combustion chamber and still retains the siamese exhaust port. Not worth the money. You can find an early big valve head (72 through 74) and make it flow better with a little work. Itll save you money. Yes, aluminum is lighter and yes it dissipates heat but Bs dont have an overheating problem and this isnt going to be a racer.
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