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      08-27-2012 09:05 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Incrementalg View Post
      Emailed UM this evening re price and availability. I'll share details unless they post here first or say they're not ready to release.
      I think i may have lost (or simply cannot find) your email, so I will post some info here.

      We have a nice line of 3.6L FSI tuning available:

      N/A tune for native 3.6L FSi cars: Passat, Audi Q7, Porsche Cayenne
      Devin (now)
      Nater (next time I see him)

      Turbo 3.6 FSI tuning:
      Keep OEM FSI fuel system, other swap over to R32-like port injection.
      Example: UM UK 3.6L Turbo Mk4 4Mo

      Fully sorted 3.6 FSi swap:
      Immo defeat
      Vin cloning (i.e. so your swap car ecu vin matches the car)
      Proper error deletes for missing components
      Proper tuning changes for manual transmission vs tiptronic
      Examples:
      Mk3 3.6L FSI Swap at Waterfest 17
      Jesse's Mk5 R36



      Standard tune: $450
      Swap tuning: $699
      Turbo tuning: Starting $999

      Just ask if you have any more questions.

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      Now others are using it to make people think the sun shines out of their 4$$.

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      08-27-2012 09:36 PM #27
      Jeffrey,

      Do you have estimates for gains on the native 3.6 tune?
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      08-27-2012 09:59 PM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Jefnes3 View Post
      I think i may have lost (or simply cannot find) your email, so I will post some info here.

      We have a nice line of 3.6L FSI tuning available:

      N/A tune for native 3.6L FSi cars: Passat, Audi Q7, Porsche Cayenne
      Devin (now)
      Nater (next time I see him)

      Turbo 3.6 FSI tuning:
      Keep OEM FSI fuel system, other swap over to R32-like port injection.
      Example: UM UK 3.6L Turbo Mk4 4Mo

      Fully sorted 3.6 FSi swap:
      Immo defeat
      Vin cloning (i.e. so your swap car ecu vin matches the car)
      Proper error deletes for missing components
      Proper tuning changes for manual transmission vs tiptronic
      Examples:
      Mk3 3.6L FSI Swap at Waterfest 17
      Jesse's Mk5 R36



      Standard tune: $450
      Swap tuning: $699
      Turbo tuning: Starting $999

      Just ask if you have any more questions.

      -Jeffrey Atwood
      Thanks for the info! How much time is involved with the standard N/A tune? Would the dealer need the car for a while? I ask because it sounds more customized than both the Revo and Uni tunes.

      Thanks again!

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      08-29-2012 01:10 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by Incrementalg View Post
      Thanks for the info! How much time is involved with the standard N/A tune? Would the dealer need the car for a while? I ask because it sounds more customized than both the Revo and Uni tunes.

      Thanks again!
      they may need it for quite some time

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      08-29-2012 04:54 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by DBVeeDB View Post
      they may need it for quite some time
      Not necessarily true. Different car, I know...but Jeff tuned my turbo vr6 from scratch back in '04 in a weekend. 6 hours on Saturday and 4 on Sunday. Me driving...him tuning.
      Those were the good old days.

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      08-29-2012 05:00 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by nater View Post
      Not necessarily true. Different car, I know...but Jeff tuned my turbo vr6 from scratch back in '04 in a weekend. 6 hours on Saturday and 4 on Sunday. Me driving...him tuning.
      Those were the good old days.
      Sorry Nater I was being saracastic/poking at Jeff. Flashing my car took over 4 hours because of some data loss/rebuilding the file issues. I probably should have made it clear I was just joking

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      08-29-2012 05:35 PM #32
      Estimated power gains? Anybody?
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      08-29-2012 05:51 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Derek View Post
      Estimated power gains? Anybody?
      [with pinky by corner of mouth] 1 MILLION HP!!!

    9. 08-31-2012 10:28 PM #34
      I've had revo on my v6 4Mo for about two years now. I strongly suggest you get it too. While I have no idea whether there are any power gains, the throttle response its far superior with the chip.

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      09-03-2012 02:04 AM #35
      I'm tempted to get a tune, but honestly, I can't get the thought of a supercharger out of my head.

      My 3.6 with 4mo on a little boost would be nice, though I'm not sure how the automatic would handle the power in a DD role. I'm willing to try it.

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      09-04-2012 09:49 PM #36
      A supercharger would be great, but I'm guessing it's going to cost a bit more than $450. I'm still waiting for estimates for power gains and/or a more comprehensive write up... Jeff? Devin? Anyone??
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      09-05-2012 12:39 AM #37
      Alright alright, you're like an impatient child

      Here is my "input" on the 3.6 tune so far. Keep in mind, anyone who hasn't been following my previous posts - my car has the single stage manifold, and this has been accounted for in my tune. Other's who have the silver/dual stage mani, will be getting a different tune, which will have better low end and slightly less top end. But overall, most likely a better setup depending on taste.

      That being said:

      Pros-
      1) exhaust note has become deeper, and smoother.
      2) power is more linear, predictable, and smooth
      3) Upper rpms have power, the higher it goes, the better the power gets
      4) the car "feels" faster - no doubt about it. No official measurements yet, but there IS a difference
      5) less lag b/w shifts. Not to be mistaken as a transmission edit - but a powerband characteristic. meaning, when accelerating through gears, the torque and power dont seem to fall in and out. its just there until you let off
      6) i have noticed excellent gas mileage at crusing speeds. Since getting the software I have been driving like an a-hole, and experienced the same, if not slightly better mpg on a per tank basis (20-21 for me) i have a 14mi daily commute, mostly stop and go, with quick runs to grab lunch. not bad at all for the driving style.
      7) again, the sound and linearity of the powerband WON me over.
      8) Price - for $450, it is a great price for a tune that has been TUNED, not just made. there is no false TPS adaptation that I can detect. (I was afraid of this) nothing to trick you into thinking its faster when it really isnt.

      Cons- (few)
      1) idle has been slightly raised, and tends to feel a little less smooth when stopped. It just feels unatural, but does not worry me by anymeans. simply an observation. subtle blips and idle dips are more noticeable at a higher rpm idle (750-800)
      2) with the auto/tip trans. The file doesnt seem to be the best spouse. In "D" mode I feel like the car is always one gear too high to enjoy the power. This is probably because the file was made on a 6spd swapped car, and it also doesnt help that its a more topend oriented file. That being said, if you drive the car in Sport mode or TIP mode, it feels incredible. The driving dynamic changes greatly, whereas on stock software nothing seemed to be different b/w transmission modes. There isnt more powert in Sport mode- dont read me wrong, but it is easier to accelerate when you dont have to wait for the trans to figure it out. Getting it to downshift and accelerate just seems to require a bit more pedal effort.
      3) related to #2 above, in d mode or normal driving, you have you have to really get the pedal down to initiate the power, once its on, its ON and there is no disappointment in how well she turns, but there is a bit of "think" time.


      Those are the basics. I wish i had more seat time, a track time, or hp #'s. But I am a very "in tune" person to my car, and I can pick up on differences. I do not regret the tune purchase. I am not affiliated with UM in any way. For the record, my supporting mods are an AFE dryflow drop in filter and a removed suitcase. Otherwise the car is stock. It feels like a different car, more powerful, more able, and so much smoother. I never feel like I am in a 3900lb wagon, and there has been minimal change in offf the line power. If I hammer it from a dead stop, the tires bark up front, haldex takes over and off we go. Upper rpms scream, and pull much harder than before. Most of the power difference is noticed after about 3500rpm. Driving in sport mode is incredibly satisfying.

      Derek (and others) I hope this helps in getting you some input. I have been paying attn to the car in the past few weeks in anticipation of this post. If you have any other questions, lmk.

      My plans will be to acquire the dual manifold and work on customizing my exhaust a little more. I plan on deleting the precats to free up some flow after the manifolds (like an r32/r36) and keeping the secondaries. I also want to straighten out some kinks bends found in the stock 3.6 downpipes, bends and piping.

      -Dev

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      09-05-2012 02:11 PM #38
      Yes! My impatience has finally paid off!

      Thank you VERY much for the write-up, Devin. It sounds like this will be a great option for me. Now, if I can only get m care back. My ABS controller went out last week and my car's been at the shop waiting for the part since Friday. I think I'll drive directly to the UM dealer once I pick it up. Between the tune and my newly installed H&R sport springs, I'll be a happy camper!
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      09-05-2012 10:57 PM #39
      This is the most thorough write up I've seen on a 3.6 tune!
      Also good to hear of possible cons vs just the pros.
      Thanks for taking the time!
      Last edited by Incrementalg; 09-05-2012 at 10:59 PM.

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      09-06-2012 10:15 AM #40
      I was tired of people staing things like " yeah it feels faster" WHAT DO YOU MEAN.

      I didnt want to be that guy, so I let myself get used to the car and evaluate it as much as possible.

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      09-06-2012 06:51 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by DBVeeDB View Post
      I was tired of people staing things like " yeah it feels faster" WHAT DO YOU MEAN.

      I didnt want to be that guy, so I let myself get used to the car and evaluate it as much as possible.
      Hell, my car "feels faster" on cold mornings.

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      09-06-2012 07:20 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by nater View Post
      Hell, my car "feels faster" on cold mornings.
      haha! that it does. Must mean you have a factory freak then

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      09-06-2012 07:25 PM #43
      Calls this a factory dud.

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      09-26-2012 09:53 PM #44
      For what it's worth APR says they're gonna announce the release of a tune for the 3.6 probably next week. Ad another tune to the discussion soon. I'll be interested to see if APR posts any dyno results.

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      09-27-2012 07:44 PM #45
      interesting...

      I feel like this motor has been kindof ingnored for the past few years, and all of a sudden it seems to be taking off in popularity. Im glad I already have mine

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      10-11-2012 12:41 PM #46
      UPDATE:

      Took my wagon (now with the UM tune) to the track last night. Results are less than desired.

      Before, I ran a 14.5 @ 96, with a 2.1 60ft. Little less than 1/2 tank of gas, 93 oct, nothing but a drop in AFE filter and removed suitcase muffler. So essentially, stock. 70 degrees or so. Managed to get multiple 14.5's, so it was not a fluke run by any means.

      Last night: BEST run of 14.677 @ 94, with a 2.2 60ft. A few 14.7's, and 2 14.8's. all at 94 or 93 mph trap. Less than 1/4 tank, no new mods other than the chip, and it was 38 degrees. All runs were made in the same lanes, at the same track. So no weird variables here. Everything about last night "should" have made for a better run...

      I have not concluded yet that the chip has made the car slower... As I stated in my review, the overall drive ability is definitely better. I need to really break down the data from the 14.5 run and compare it last nights. The car feels faster in everyday driving, it really does, but the numbers don't lie. The 60ft was consistency 2.2 last night, so a tad slower/laggy, and the et and trap speeds were both down. Implying that car has not gained in either department with the new UM tune. (again, im saying "implying") I am not trying to stir the pot here. I definitely want to discuss these results with Jeff. I went into this expecting some definitive gain, not just a seat in the pants feel. I just fear it may all be placebo after last nights results. ET+60ft, and trap were all less than last time, not only that but I couldn't even MATCH my stock run, let alone beat it.

      Just wanted to update it here, so anyone considering the UM tune for a 3.6, has more knowledge to work with.

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      10-11-2012 04:07 PM #47
      That's an interesting finding. There was an S6 owner (Boston S6 either on Fourtitude or Audiworld) who got a unitronic flash for his naturally aspirated S6. He said it felt good in most situations, but when he pushed it to the higher end RPM it didn't feel as strong. He had before dyno graphs, so he dynoed after the tune and found his car actually lost power.
      His dyno results showed a shift in the power band and overall loss in power vs gain. His guess was the shift in powerband gave the impression of a faster car for everyday driving.

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      10-11-2012 07:00 PM #48
      yeah, that seems to be the case with a majoirty of off the shelf 4.2 tunes. I sincerely hope that what UM has given me and the 3.6L car the file was made from.... is something other than what you've mentioned.

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      10-11-2012 07:50 PM #49
      Thanks for the update, Devin. Things like this are why I ask tuners for before and after dynos. I anxiously await Jeff's response to this.
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      10-13-2012 08:01 AM #50
      Could the 32 degree difference in outside temp be the reason for the difference in the times?

      What's the optimal outside temp range for a naturally aspirated engine? I swear mine feels best in the 60s, but that's subjective. Driving mine last night with temps in the 40s and it didn't feel at its best...again subjective.

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