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    Thread: 7,980 Questionable Bridges in the USA - Any of them near you?

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      08-07-2012 02:12 PM #26
      I'm actually shocked to see so few bridges near me listed.

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      08-07-2012 02:31 PM #27
      There are 4 or 5 near me. Thankfully none of them are major bridges. I know they have been targeted for repair or replacement.

    3. 08-07-2012 02:40 PM #28
      Part of the problem is that there are too many roads and bridges in the US for the population to adequately support the repair via taxes and such. And no, just saying raise taxes on the rich doesn't work.

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      08-07-2012 02:48 PM #29
      His list is out dated by a couple years. Two bridges near me have already been replaced and a third is under construction now.


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      08-07-2012 03:01 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by ILL02GTI View Post
      His list is out dated by a couple years. Two bridges near me have already been replaced and a third is under construction now.

      Why the thumbdown?

      I give it a as these type of bridges are being repaired or replaced all over the country. It was an initiative that was pushed by ASCE (and other groups) for years and wasn't made a priority.

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      08-07-2012 03:05 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by surefooted View Post
      Part of the problem is that there are too many roads and bridges in the US for the population to adequately support the repair via taxes and such. And no, just saying raise taxes on the rich doesn't work.
      That's because projects are often started even though there's no budget plan for maintenance.
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      08-07-2012 03:13 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by dwagner88 View Post
      Wow. Apparently engineers in the Carolina's do a better job than those elsewhere. Either that or they have lazy bridge inspectors.
      The roads here are actually pretty decent, I'm not surprised.
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      08-07-2012 03:25 PM #33
      Most all the poor bridges around here are in rural out of the way places and carry small traffic volumes.


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      The one bridge that does worry me is the Jeremiah Morrow Bridge that carries I-71 over the Little Miami River Gorge. It's an identical design to the I-35W Bridge in Minneapolis but is currently being replaced.



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      08-07-2012 04:01 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by surefooted View Post
      Part of the problem is that there are too many roads and bridges in the US for the population to adequately support the repair via taxes and such. And no, just saying raise taxes on the rich doesn't work.
      If only there was some superhuge government program that we could scale way back and use the money for infrastructure............


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      08-07-2012 04:14 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by 16v_43v3r View Post
      The roads here are actually pretty decent, I'm not surprised.
      Agreed. I live on the NC/SC border south of Charlotte and the main roads and bridges are in pretty good shape. I-77 in SC from the NC border to south of Rock Hill SC is one of the nicest 6 lanes of blacktop anywhere. They spared no expense in building/paving that.

      There is a bridge on the list in MD that I used to think was in dire need of being closed/rebuilt when I'd bike over it...and that was 25 yrs ago.

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      08-07-2012 04:18 PM #36
      This map must be outdated by a few years. There are a few bridges near me that were rebuilt several years ago and are still listed as the old ones (1951, etc.).
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      08-07-2012 04:24 PM #37
      One very bad bridge (Sellwood Br.) here in Portland is finally getting rebuilt to the tune of close to $300 million. Here's what was wrong with it:

      The bridge has numerous deficiencies, including:

      Poor structural condition, with a limited service life
      Vehicle weight restrictions, which have forced an average of 1,400 trucks and buses each day to find a different river crossing route
      Geologic instability on the west end that has damaged the bridge
      Narrow travel lanes with no shoulders or median
      Short stopping distances and lines of sight for motorists
      One narrow sidewalk insufficient for bicyclists and pedestrians
      Poor connections to established trails at each end of the bridge
      Tight ramps at west end that cannot easily accommodate large vehicles
      High risk of structural failure in an earthquake
      A National Bridge Inventory sufficiency rating of 2 out of a possible score of 100 (see next question)

      I think the bridge in MN had a rating of 50 a couple years before it collapsed. While the Sellwood Bridge doesn't get nearly as much traffic as the I-35 bridge the rating it has is pretty scary.


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      08-07-2012 04:27 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by derekjl View Post
      This map must be outdated by a few years. There are a few bridges near me that were rebuilt several years ago and are still listed as the old ones (1951, etc.).
      Yep--the 9th Street NE bridge here in DC was just replaced by a new bridge six months ago. The old, suspect span was demolished.

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      08-07-2012 04:31 PM #39
      Cool. Not a single bridge listed within the state of TN. I hop e that doesn't mean they just haven't surveyed the state.

    15. 08-07-2012 04:32 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
      That's because projects are often started even though there's no budget plan for maintenance.
      Indeed

      Quote Originally Posted by jmj View Post
      If only there was some superhuge government program that we could scale way back and use the money for infrastructure............


      The amount that would be scaled back would be insignificant compared to the amount of money needed to continually (what people miss) fix out infrastructure.

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      08-07-2012 04:45 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by seadoo2006 View Post
      Yup ...

      lol that was the first thing i thought of when i saw the topic =]
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      08-07-2012 04:58 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by G0to60 View Post
      One very bad bridge (Sellwood Br.) here in Portland is finally getting rebuilt to the tune of close to $300 million. Here's what was wrong with it:


      A National Bridge Inventory sufficiency rating of 2 out of a possible score of 100 (see next question)


      Ha! I as going to post this. It was definitely a disaster waiting to happen.
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      08-07-2012 04:58 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      His map calls onramps in Hartford build in 1965 as bad with a purple icon (whatever that means)

      Meanwhile the 100+ year old bulkeley bridge which carries I-84 over the river is perfectly sound according to his map.
      As far as I know there's nothing wrong with the Bulkeley Bridge. It's a historic structure that they've done a pretty good job of maintaining. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's automatically bad.
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      08-07-2012 05:00 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Chmeeee View Post
      As far as I know there's nothing wrong with the Bulkeley Bridge. It's a historic structure that they've done a pretty good job of maintaining. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's automatically bad.
      Absolutely. Bridges move and require maintenance. Neglect that and they can go bad relatively quickly. Maintain one properly and it's service life is indefinite.
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      08-07-2012 05:38 PM #45
      Interstate 95 & Somerset St
      Last Updated by tadmor on Jul 25
      Built: 1966
      National Bridge ID 6.70095E+14
      189,950 cars per day (avg.)

      15673

      Philadelphia, PA
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      Somerset St & Lehigh, Somerset St
      Last Updated by tadmor on Jul 25
      Built: 1966
      National Bridge ID 670095023413650
      189,950 cars per day (avg.)

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      Philadelphia County, PA
      Those are both elevated sections of I-95 a block from each other that are just like the rest of the stretch of 95 that runs over Philly...I don't see why they'd be any different.

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      08-07-2012 05:56 PM #46
      Evergreen Point Floating Bridge - Wa 520

      This is a core part of infrastructure in the Seattle area. Designed for 40 years of duty or something like that, which we've hit. But the bridge has also been over capacity for a number of year... aka - we're one bad storm/car crash/drunk idiot in a boat away from it completly collasping.

      We have a replacement in the works, but it was nearly killed off multiple times by people who think a 1.5hr 15 miles commute would be fun.



      edit; some more local politics - rich people on the lake nearly won a suit to block building the bridge because it'll be like 20ft above the water "blocking" their view.

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      08-07-2012 06:14 PM #47
      also this..damn seattle with their heavily populated old as **** bridges..


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      08-07-2012 06:31 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by FigureFive View Post
      Cool. Not a single bridge listed within the state of TN. I hop e that doesn't mean they just haven't surveyed the state.
      I think your map isn't loading correctly. There are at least 30 in TN. Two are red high traffic icons, but I know that the one here has been replaced recently.
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      08-07-2012 06:37 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by McBanagon View Post


      http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...135192360.html

      Link to his Google Map
      http://saveourbridges.com/map.html

      Maybe it's just a project so he can promote his book, but it's interesting nonetheless.
      Booyah! No tags for SC on the map, and their list of "unaddressed bridges" didn't include any entries for SC.

      We may be failing in some ways, but damn if we can't build and maintain a bridge!
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      I see alot of labour work in the near future.

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