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    Thread: C & D test drives the 3.6 ATS!

    1. Member MonsterM's Avatar
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      08-08-2012 10:51 AM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      Ok buddy. If there was a 6MT I could agree with you - but numbers will not vary much between auto's and C&D is normally the fastest of any publication when it comes to testing.

      Also, the thing that really gets me is because of its lighter weight (shy of 3600lbs) it should really be faster than its numbers would suggest.
      Numbers don't lie, it is what it is. I am sorry if they offended you.

    2. 08-08-2012 10:52 AM #27
      One wonders when magazines in the US will start posting the far more pertinent in gear acceleration and passing times.
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      08-08-2012 10:56 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      One wonders when magazines in the US will start posting the far more pertinent in gear acceleration and passing times.
      Its 5-60 is 5.7s, which is pretty good. But its mostly its shorter lower gears in the auto that account for this, I just have a feeling it doesn't feel as fast up top. Cadillac probably tuned the top two gears for economy.

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      08-08-2012 10:58 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      Ok buddy. If there was a 6MT I could agree with you - but numbers will not vary much between auto's and C&D is normally the fastest of any publication when it comes to testing.

      Also, the thing that really gets me is because of its lighter weight (shy of 3600lbs) it should really be faster than its numbers would suggest.

      Here's some links for you:
      R&T, G37 trapped 105.6 - http://www.roadandtrack.com/content/...Sport_data.pdf

      Car and Driver test in '09, trapped 104 -
      http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...take-road-test
      Different magazines. Will wait for a head to head comparison, same day and conditions. Caddy will be just as fast without a doubt.

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      08-08-2012 10:59 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      Its 5-60 is 5.7s, which is pretty good. But its mostly its shorter lower gears in the auto that account for this, I just have a feeling it doesn't feel as fast up top. Cadillac probably tuned the top two gears for economy.
      What makes you think it doesn't feel as fast up top?

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      08-08-2012 10:59 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      LOL. Because their previous tests of the G37's and 335i's are not at all on par with 14 flats and only 102 in the 1/4. Look up R&T or previous C&D test results of either of those cars..the Caddy is not as quick either way you cut it. 0-60 is fine but the trap speed tells me it won't feel nearly as quick on the highway or passing.
      So search out and compare the best test results for a vehicle that has been around for years vs the first test for a new model. Brilliant.
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      08-08-2012 11:00 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      One wonders when magazines in the US will start posting the far more pertinent in gear acceleration and passing times.
      It is actually faster than the others in those categories.

    8. 08-08-2012 11:00 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      Its 5-60 is 5.7s, which is pretty good. But its mostly its shorter lower gears in the auto that account for this, I just have a feeling it doesn't feel as fast up top. Cadillac probably tuned the top two gears for economy.
      I don't drive balls out from 0-60 or 5-60; on MOST public roads that's dangerous. Other publications offer, say, 4th, 5th, and 6th gear acceleration times for 10-40, 20-50, 30-60, 30-70, 40-80; etc...things along those lines.
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      08-08-2012 11:01 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      LOL because they tested the Caddy once and that would be the final result. Its is just as fast in every way. Umm the G37 trap speed was 102 and 335i was 103.
      In fairness, the 6 speed manual is significantly slower than the auto in the BMW. So shouldn't we compare the auto 335 to the auto ATS 3.6?

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      08-08-2012 11:03 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by locobaz23 View Post
      In fairness, the 6 speed manual is significantly slower than the auto in the BMW. So shouldn't we compare the auto 335 to the auto ATS 3.6?
      How so? There is less than .2 difference between the two. Please don't post MT times, we will have to wait for a direct comparison. Do you have the official 0-60 times posted by BMW, that would give us an idea of the difference between the auto and manual.

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      08-08-2012 11:05 AM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by Jrod511 View Post
      I don't drive balls out from 0-60 or 5-60; on MOST public roads that's dangerous. Other publications offer, say, 4th, 5th, and 6th gear acceleration times for 10-40, 20-50, 30-60, 30-70, 40-80; etc...things along those lines.
      And that's where trap speed will be fairly indicative of those times.

      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      How so? There is less than .2 difference between the two. Please don't post MT times, we will have to wait for a direct comparison. Do you have the official 0-60 times posted by BMW, that would give us an idea of the difference between the auto and manual.
      Official manufacturer times mean nothing. Cadillac said the 3.6 would get 0-60 in 5.0 flat. That obviously isn't happening. Maybe another pub will test faster. We'll see, but either way its a disappointment for me going off what Cadillac had been touting. I think the 6MT 2.0T model would be the way to go (with the ability to at least tune the turbo) but I prefer the drive and sound of a V6.
      Last edited by jepva; 08-08-2012 at 11:08 AM.

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      08-08-2012 11:16 AM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      And that's where trap speed will be fairly indicative of those times.



      Official manufacturer times mean nothing. Cadillac said the 3.6 would get 0-60 in 5.0 flat. That obviously isn't happening. Maybe another pub will test faster. We'll see, but either way its a disappointment for me going off what Cadillac had been touting. I think the 6MT 2.0T model would be the way to go (with the ability to at least tune the turbo) but I prefer the drive and sound of a V6.
      The only disappointment in the thread is that BMW may no longer be the "king" of sport sedans.

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      08-08-2012 11:16 AM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by locobaz23 View Post
      In fairness, the 6 speed manual is significantly slower than the auto in the BMW. So shouldn't we compare the auto 335 to the auto ATS 3.6?
      No its not. A tick, maybe. But significantly, I don't think so.

      Either way, the ATS 3.6 is almost spot on with the 335i that C/D tested a few months ago.
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      08-08-2012 11:37 AM #39
      Bang, I think Cadillac did it.

      Beautiful interior, and both the objective and subjective performance is there.

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      08-08-2012 11:37 AM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by MonsterM View Post
      How so? There is less than .2 difference between the two. Please don't post MT times, we will have to wait for a direct comparison. Do you have the official 0-60 times posted by BMW, that would give us an idea of the difference between the auto and manual.
      You're right that we have to wait for a direct comparison, but I stand by my assumption it's significantly quicker. The auto 328i when tested by Road and Track was only a tenth of a second slower in 0-60 and the QM than the 6speed 335i tested by Car and Driver, which was significantly slower than other 335's tested by C&D before.

    16. 08-08-2012 11:39 AM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      And that's where trap speed will be fairly indicative of those times.
      Not really; trap speed at the 1/4 mile doesn't tell me if an engine is flat at 2000-4000 rpm, but wild from 4000-6000 rpm. In gear acceleration times will point that out.
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      08-08-2012 11:46 AM #42
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      08-08-2012 11:53 AM #43
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      needs more pics!
      Yeah, wtf ... none in this thread




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      08-08-2012 12:23 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stack View Post
      I heard the gauges suck.
      Fo real. That's why I won't be getting one... even if the wife can help knock off $7-9k off the price.

      And don't even get me started on the lack of turbo diesel, AWD, stick, wagon with NAV and those bright white headlight thingies.

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      08-08-2012 12:28 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by curvedinfinity View Post
      Yeah, wtf ... none in this thread

      WTH? Did they rent AIRWOLF for this pic? I'm pretty sure tree stands don't get that high in Michigan.

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      08-08-2012 12:30 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by uncleho View Post
      WTH? Did they rent AIRWOLF for this pic? I'm pretty sure tree stands don't get that high in Michigan.
      But Michigan has all of those great trees....

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      08-08-2012 12:52 PM #47
      I like this thing a lot. Pretty good fuel economy to go with the performance. I wonder what the 2.0T's figures will be like.

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      08-08-2012 12:52 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by invisiblewar View Post
      How many companies offer a V6 AWD MT combo?

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      08-08-2012 12:59 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      But Michigan has all of those great trees....
      And they're just the right height!

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      08-08-2012 02:03 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by cryption View Post
      I love the way the ATS looks, but am saddened byu the lack of a V6, AWD, Manual combo
      I wouldn't want that combo, and I doubt many in here would...AWD tends to spoil the RWD experience.

      There's a reason that the really performance-oriented AWD systems are found in Acuras, Audis, Mitsus, and Subies.

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