C & D test drives the 3.6 ATS!

[jepva]

I don't drive balls out from 0-60 or 5-60; on MOST public roads that's dangerous. Other publications offer, say, 4th, 5th, and 6th gear acceleration times for 10-40, 20-50, 30-60, 30-70, 40-80; etc...things along those lines.

And that's where trap speed will be fairly indicative of those times.

How so? There is less than .2 difference between the two. Please don't post MT times, we will have to wait for a direct comparison. Do you have the official 0-60 times posted by BMW, that would give us an idea of the difference between the auto and manual.

Official manufacturer times mean nothing. Cadillac said the 3.6 would get 0-60 in 5.0 flat. That obviously isn't happening. Maybe another pub will test faster. We'll see, but either way its a disappointment for me going off what Cadillac had been touting. I think the 6MT 2.0T model would be the way to go (with the ability to at least tune the turbo) but I prefer the drive and sound of a V6.

[MonsterM]

And that's where trap speed will be fairly indicative of those times.



Official manufacturer times mean nothing. Cadillac said the 3.6 would get 0-60 in 5.0 flat. That obviously isn't happening. Maybe another pub will test faster. We'll see, but either way its a disappointment for me going off what Cadillac had been touting. I think the 6MT 2.0T model would be the way to go (with the ability to at least tune the turbo) but I prefer the drive and sound of a V6.

The only disappointment in the thread is that BMW may no longer be the "king" of sport sedans.

[JustinCSVT]

In fairness, the 6 speed manual is significantly slower than the auto in the BMW. So shouldn't we compare the auto 335 to the auto ATS 3.6?

No its not. A tick, maybe. But significantly, I don't think so.

Either way, the ATS 3.6 is almost spot on with the 335i that C/D tested a few months ago.

[curvedinfinity]

Bang, I think Cadillac did it.

Beautiful interior, and both the objective and subjective performance is there.

[locobaz23]

How so? There is less than .2 difference between the two. Please don't post MT times, we will have to wait for a direct comparison. Do you have the official 0-60 times posted by BMW, that would give us an idea of the difference between the auto and manual.

You're right that we have to wait for a direct comparison, but I stand by my assumption it's significantly quicker. The auto 328i when tested by Road and Track was only a tenth of a second slower in 0-60 and the QM than the 6speed 335i tested by Car and Driver, which was significantly slower than other 335's tested by C&D before.

[Jrod511]

And that's where trap speed will be fairly indicative of those times.

Not really; trap speed at the 1/4 mile doesn't tell me if an engine is flat at 2000-4000 rpm, but wild from 4000-6000 rpm. In gear acceleration times will point that out.

[Infiniti]

haters gon' hate


its a great car. would love to have one.


needs more pics!

[curvedinfinity]

needs more pics!

Yeah, wtf ... none in this thread

[uncleho]

I heard the gauges suck.

Fo real. That's why I won't be getting one... even if the wife can help knock off $7-9k off the price.

And don't even get me started on the lack of turbo diesel, AWD, stick, wagon with NAV and those bright white headlight thingies.

[uncleho]

Yeah, wtf ... none in this thread

WTH? Did they rent AIRWOLF for this pic? I'm pretty sure tree stands don't get that high in Michigan.

[whitejeep1989]

WTH? Did they rent AIRWOLF for this pic? I'm pretty sure tree stands don't get that high in Michigan.

But Michigan has all of those great trees....

[lorge1989]

I like this thing a lot. Pretty good fuel economy to go with the performance. I wonder what the 2.0T's figures will be like.

[bzcat]

How many companies offer a V6 AWD MT combo?

Audi S4 and Acura TL-SH

[fknlo]

But Michigan has all of those great trees....

And they're just the right height!

[Ross1013]

I love the way the ATS looks, but am saddened byu the lack of a V6, AWD, Manual combo

I wouldn't want that combo, and I doubt many in here would...AWD tends to spoil the RWD experience.

There's a reason that the really performance-oriented AWD systems are found in Acuras, Audis, Mitsus, and Subies.

[Tracker_168]

I love the way the ATS looks, but am saddened byu the lack of a V6, AWD, Manual combo

Audi S4 But likely not for long, MT is no longer available in Europe and likely won't be in NA for much longer either.

[Mosbius Designs]

Man, the retards are out in force already.

[cougar]

I'm fairly certain that at some point down the line I'll be replacing the Mustang with one of these as my daily driver, and just garaging the Mustang except for special occasions .

[Chris Stack]

No LSA, no care.

You wouldn't like it unless it ran on ground up Jews and goose stepped the quarter.

[johnny_p]

I think its a great looking car. Bravo Caddy! I guess they're not offering the V6 with manual trans though, which stinks. Waiting to see more about the turbo.

[Mosbius Designs]

By the second year, you'll be able to get a manual with the 3.6. You watch.

[Turbio!]

6MT delete mandatory with AWD as usual with lazy engineering departments of automakers ran by profiteers.
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AWD, when it's added to a FR car is a goddamn gimmick - a snow-belt security blanket for people who don't trust snow tires. It's not oriented towards performance, it's oriented towards timid drivers whose buttholes clench when snowflakes start falling. They could do it, but why on Earth would you buy a RWD-based sport sedan and then make it...not RWD anymore? Isn't RWD kind of the point here?

I wouldn't want that combo, and I doubt many in here would...AWD tends to spoil the RWD experience.

There's a reason that the really performance-oriented AWD systems are found in Acuras, Audis, Mitsus, and Subies.

Exactly. FWD platforms make a better basis for an AWD car for a variety of reasons. If you must have AWD, buy a car with AWD baked right in. Kludging on a transfer case to satisfy the nervous and incompetent isn't a benefit for a RWD car- why ruin excellent RWD dynamics, by asking it to do something it's not going to be inherently good at anyway?

[cougar]

AWD, when it's added to a FR car is a goddamn gimmick - a snow-belt security blanket for people who don't trust snow tires. It's not oriented towards performance, it's oriented towards timid drivers whose buttholes clench when snowflakes start falling - and even then, FR-based AWD systems tend to be lame compared to FF-based AWD systems. So why, exactly, are you under the impression that an AWD manual ATS is so necessary or desirable? They could do it, but why would you ruin a perfectly good RWD performance platform with AWD?

Here, lemme be succinct.

The AWD ATS is for pussies.

[Seabird]

AWD is for pussies.

FYP.

And +1 to Jamie for not editing 'pussies'. Not a word used enough here in the emo lounge, IMO.

[cougar]

FYP.

And +1 to Jamie for not editing 'pussies'. Not a word used enough here in the emo lounge, IMO.

I dunno, I'd be content with an AWD Audi... or WRX/Evo.. but yeah, that's pretty much it.

[Sledge]

AWD, when it's added to a FR car is a goddamn gimmick - a snow-belt security blanket for people who don't trust snow tires.

I must be broken as I'm the other way round. I don't trust AWD+all-seasons in the fluffy stuff. I'll keep my Michelin X-ICEs, thanks

[caj1]

Funny how there are so many people not willing to give the ATS credit simply b/c it's a GM product.

Not one person has said anything of the sort.. wishful thinking maybe?

[Wilhelm0075]

I'm fairly certain that at some point down the line I'll be replacing the Mustang with one of these as my daily driver, and just garaging the Mustang except for special occasions .

I told my wife the same thing

[Turbio!]

Here, lemme be succinct.

The AWD ATS is for pussies.

I dunno, I'd be content with an AWD Audi... or WRX/Evo.. but yeah, that's pretty much it.

Eh, AWD can be a very nice thing....I just don't see its merit when applied to a RWD performance car. There are a number of cars that do "secure AWD winter warrior" well, and a number of cars that do "RWD sport sedan" well, but they're just not really compatible areas of competence - sort of like how "capable weekend offroader" and "sensible daily commuter" aren't really compatible. Pick what matters to you; something that tries to do both is going to be compromised.

[cougar]

Eh, AWD can be a very nice thing....I just don't see its merit when applied to a RWD performance car. There are a number of cars that do "secure AWD winter warrior" well, and a number of cars that do "RWD sport sedan" well, but they're just not really compatible areas of competence - sort of like how "capable weekend offroader" and "sensible daily commuter" aren't really compatible. Pick what matters to you; something that tries to do both is going to be compromised.

I did say "AWD ATS", not all AWD .

[dmorrow]

I would prefer the AWD, yes at the limits of traction, steering feel, and higher weight of the AWD aren't as good as the RWD but I live in an area where I don't need snow tires but travel occastionally for work to areas much farther north where A/S tires and RWD won't cut it and while I realize the AWD and A/S aren't the greatest, my current FWD and A/S are sufficient. I don't want to have snow tires on the whole winter or change out wheels and tires before each trip.

At what point on the street will I wish I had RWD? I guess when I am trying to cut seconds off of my drive across town?

I have a 2nd car which is manual, RWD car that is far better for perfomance driving, why would I care about these lost seconds or the steering feel that isn't as good as it could be?

It's a 4 door Cadillac, not even the most powerful once the V comes out, not an all out track car.

[fknlo]

I would prefer the AWD, yes at the limits of traction, steering feel, and higher weight of the AWD aren't as good as the RWD but I live in an area where I don't need snow tires but travel occastionally for work to areas much farther north where A/S tires and RWD won't cut it

I'm glad we've invented these things so that the northern parts of the US and Canada are now habitable. Can you imagine people trying to live there before AWD and things like traction/stability control were available??? It would have been impossible!

Hopefully they'll invent some way to remove the majority of snow from the streets so that it's even easier to brave the elements in winter!

[Facin]

I like nearly everything about this car sans the rear end styling. I could get over it though if I could get a good deal. Will have to investigate when looking into next car purchase.

[dmorrow]

I would prefer the AWD, yes at the limits of traction, steering feel, and higher weight of the AWD aren't as good as the RWD but I live in an area where I don't need snow tires but travel occastionally for work to areas much farther north where A/S tires and RWD won't cut it and while I realize the AWD and A/S aren't the greatest, my current FWD and A/S are sufficient. I don't want to have snow tires on the whole winter or change out wheels and tires before each trip.

I'm glad we've invented these things so that the northern parts of the US and Canada are now habitable. Can you imagine people trying to live there before AWD and things like traction/stability control were available??? It would have been impossible!

Hopefully they'll invent some way to remove the majority of snow from the streets so that it's even easier to brave the elements in winter!

Nothing better than a partial quote

Unable to read the whole thing or just want to post the standard "get winter tires" reply?

[whitejeep1989]

I like nearly everything about this car sans the rear end styling. I could get over it though if I could get a good deal. Will have to investigate when looking into next car purchase.

I don't dislike the rear end styling at all. Cadillac has a rear end graphic that only the less scrupulous Chinese car companies would be so bold to copy. I would like to see Cadillac experiment with the formula a bit so that more youthful or sport oriented models don't all end resembling the rear end of the more formal XTS. The early 1990s Caddy Eldorado ETC had import market rear amber turn indicators. Splitting the traditional Caddy vertical red tail light horizontally between red and amber looked great and was an unexpected detail.