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    Thread: Consumer Reports - Five popular cars to avoid

    1. 08-07-2012 08:27 PM #1
      Just because a car generates a lot of buzz or is a best seller doesn't mean that it's a good choice for you. The five models here may be on a lot of buyers' shopping lists, but we suggest you steer clear. They didn't perform well in our testing or they suffer from subpar reliability. Either way, there are better choices.

      Honda Civic
      For years, the Civic has been an iconic small car. But Honda took too many shortcuts in its latest redesign. The Civic is still one of the more reliable and fuel-efficient cars in its class. But the current model suffers from a choppy ride, noisy cabin, vague steering, and mediocre interior quality. The Subaru Impreza, Hyundai Elantra, and Mazda3 are better small cars with similar or better fuel economy.

      Jeep Liberty
      You might be drawn to this SUV's rugged looks. But that style comes with an equally rugged and unrefined driving experience. The Liberty can tackle tough off-road terrain. But on pavement its ride is unsettled and handling is clumsy. The interior is cramped and cheap feeling. And the engine is noisy and thirsty, getting only 16 mpg overall. All of this has earned it one of the lowest road-test scores of any vehicle we've recently tested. You'll give up some off-road prowess, but the Toyota RAV4 and Subaru Forester are much nicer SUVs overall, with notably better gas mileage.

      Toyota Prius C
      It's all the buzz: a less expensive Prius with great gas mileage. What more can you ask for? Plenty. Yes, this new subcompact gets a stingy 37 mpg in city driving and 43 mpg overall, 1 mpg shy of the larger Prius hatchback. But all-around quality really drops. Related to the lackluster Toyota Yaris, the Prius C suffers from a stiff ride, noisy cabin, slow acceleration, and cheap-looking interior trim. Though it can't match the C's stellar mpg, the Honda Fit scored much higher in our tests and costs thousands less.

      Dodge Grand Caravan


      Ford Edge (V6)

      The stylish lines of this crossover SUV might catch your eye, but we suggest that you keep on looking. In our testing of the V6 all-wheel drive version, we found a jittery ride, pronounced road noise, and distracting controls, especially with the complicated and unintuitive MyFord Touch infotainment system. And in our annual survey of subscribers, it had much-worse-than-average reliability. There is also a turbo four-cylinder engine that works well and gets better fuel economy, but it can't be paired with all-wheel drive. For about the same price, better alternatives include the Toyota Highlander, Nissan Murano, and Mazda CX-9.
      http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...-to-avoid.html
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    2. 08-07-2012 08:30 PM #2
      Well, once more, CR is full of it. The 2012 Civic is currently the best selling car in the compact/sub-compact. And as one owner, I would buy it again specially with the current rebates. Vague steering and questionable interior details are true, though. Not enough to kill the car.
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      08-07-2012 08:37 PM #3
      The Liberty is popular?
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      08-07-2012 08:37 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Well, once more, CR is full of it. The 2012 Civic is currently the best selling car in the compact/sub-compact. And as one owner, I would buy it again specially with the current rebates. Vague steering and questionable interior details are true, though. Not enough to kill the car.
      Did you not read the opening of the article? Sheeple will be Sheeple. Bottom line, there are better compacts for the money out there than the Civic.
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    5. 08-07-2012 08:42 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Did you not read the opening of the article? Sheeple will be Sheeple. Bottom line, there are better compacts for the money out there than the Civic.
      Yes I read it and you are misinformed, "For the money", with rebates, there was no better buy than a Civic. Bottom line we got a Civic, a compact, at a Fiesta or Accent price.
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      08-07-2012 08:44 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by VarianceVQ View Post
      The Liberty is popular?

      Among the 22-45 year old women ''I want a small SUV crowd'', yes.


      Libertys are horrid, horrid vehicles. Always have been.

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      08-07-2012 08:46 PM #7
      I just checked the garage, and I ain't got any of 'em [wipes forehead with relief]...

    8. 08-07-2012 08:48 PM #8
      And you're full of it.

      At one point the Ford Escort and Chevy Cavalier were the best selling small cars. That doesn't make them good cars. Trust me. I owned one of each.

      The Civic is no longer a good car. Deal with it. I'd sooner have a Cruze or a Focus than a Civic or Corolla.
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    9. 08-07-2012 08:51 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by GolfVIDriver View Post
      And you're full of it.

      At one point the Ford Escort and Chevy Cavalier were the best selling small cars. That doesn't make them good cars. Trust me. I owned one of each.

      The Civic is no longer a good car. Deal with it. I'd sooner have a Cruze or a Focus than a Civic or Corolla.
      That is idiot because the Focus was like 2000$ more over term (4 years leasing). Stop buying nonsense Tdi, learn how to count and come back to us.

      In the meantime, a Civic costs within 50$ of annual fuel cost according to EPA compared to a Tdi and like 4-5000$ less.
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    10. 08-07-2012 08:58 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Bottom line we got a Civic, a compact, at a Fiesta or Accent price.
      Good for you and how ironic.

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      08-07-2012 09:00 PM #11
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Well, once more, CR is full of it. The 2012 Civic is currently the best selling car in the compact/sub-compact.
      Has there ever been a time when the best selling car was actually the best car? The best selling car is usually the car that used to be the best car, but nobody makes a car that is "the best" for long enough to get the title of best selling car while still being "the best."
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      08-07-2012 09:06 PM #12
      The new Civic really is a bit of a let down, but not as bad as CR makes it out to be. With the discounts Honda had to offer to counter the bad press, it's a good, but not a great deal.

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      08-07-2012 09:10 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by Boogety Boogety View Post
      I just checked the garage, and I ain't got any of 'em [wipes forehead with relief]...
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      08-07-2012 09:27 PM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Yes I read it and you are misinformed, "For the money", with rebates, there was no better buy than a Civic. Bottom line we got a Civic, a compact, at a Fiesta or Accent price.
      It sounds just like old GM

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      08-07-2012 09:32 PM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Yes I read it and you are misinformed, "For the money", with rebates, there was no better buy than a Civic. Bottom line we got a Civic, a compact, at a Fiesta or Accent price.
      Quote Originally Posted by classicjetta View Post
      It sounds just like old GM
      Yep. It's not exactly a good sign when you have to discount the crap out of a car in order to move them off lots.
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      08-07-2012 09:35 PM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by Boogety Boogety View Post
      I just checked the garage, and I ain't got any of 'em [wipes forehead with relief]...

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      08-07-2012 09:48 PM #17
      I work at a Ford dealer.....don't understand the Edge at all. Sure the MyTouch is teething....and these things do eat batteries.....but we very rarely have one in for much more than that. I'm guessing they drove one with 20" wheels because the 17" and 18" wheel packages ride pretty good.

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      08-07-2012 09:58 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by Cubster View Post
      I work at a Ford dealer.....don't understand the Edge at all. Sure the MyTouch is teething....and these things do eat batteries.....but we very rarely have one in for much more than that. I'm guessing they drove one with 20" wheels because the 17" and 18" wheel packages ride pretty good.
      CR didn't note why the reliability was bad; it was 95% MFT problems based on their survey. From what I understand the update has helped quite a bit in terms of not crashing and generally being more agreeable.

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      08-07-2012 10:58 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Well, once more, CR is full of it. The 2012 Civic is currently the best selling car in the compact/sub-compact. And as one owner, I would buy it again specially with the current rebates. Vague steering and questionable interior details are true, though. Not enough to kill the car.
      We are Honda hooked too, now on our sencond Odyssey, and with this company quality stayed same, unlike Toyota.

    20. 08-07-2012 11:01 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Did you not read the opening of the article? Sheeple will be Sheeple. Bottom line, there are better compacts for the money out there than the Civic.
      C'mon, you know better than to argue with that moron.
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      08-07-2012 11:04 PM #21
      Good thing there were no Hyundais or Kias on that list, or Hyundai marketing wouldn't have posted it for us.

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      08-07-2012 11:07 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Well, once more, CR is full of it. The 2012 Civic is currently the best selling car in the compact/sub-compact. And as one owner, I would buy it again specially with the current rebates. Vague steering and questionable interior details are true, though. Not enough to kill the car.
      Exactly. For the people they are marketing it to, it's the best choice. However, to us automotive enthusiasts that grew up with the lightweight, high revving, drive-the-piss-out-of-it hatch backs, it's the worst thing since unsliced bread.

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      08-07-2012 11:14 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      Exactly. For the people they are marketing it to, it's the best choice.
      But like CR is saying, it's not anymore, unless it's discounted so much that you're willing to accept how cheap and cheesy it's become. Honda never had to sell the Civic with deep discounts... it used to "sell itself" near MSRP like the Fit does.

      CR isn't aimed at enthusiasts but it is aimed at people who are willing to do more research than just wandering into a Honda/Toyota dealer and picking one, and for those people, CR is saying - buy a 3, buy an Impreza, buy an Elantra... they deliver on the promises that Honda made a decade ago.
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    24. 08-07-2012 11:16 PM #24
      CR can suck it. Almost every complain they have with all these vehicles are completely subjective.

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      08-07-2012 11:19 PM #25
      I wouldn't lump the new Corolla with the new Civic. It is boring and dreadful to drive, but they ride super quiet. They use extra thick windshields to mask off road-noise (same as the MK6 Golf) and the seats are supportive and comfortable without back breaking. Their heated seats also work well, and their AC is miles ahead in terms of cooling performance when compared with the mediocre Civic HVAC system.

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      08-07-2012 11:23 PM #26
      Didn't see a VW on that list...must not be popular

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    28. 08-07-2012 11:36 PM #28
      as always, and in regards to cars, if you can overlook certain characteristics, its up to the driver of the car to find the compromise

      however, things like reliability can be a bigger factor

      i was seriously considering the edge, but might have to look for the sorrento/santa fe/escape now

      as for cheaper interior, ehh, i dont have a fetish with the dash, and i could live with a cheapened interior a little

      (just don't give me cupholders or glove compartments that break ..... yes, i'm talking about the mk4)

      for the civic, if you can overlook its concessions, you get a car much more fuel efficient and reliable

      conversely, someone else may want more sportiness and unlreliability instead

    29. 08-07-2012 11:49 PM #29
      I hope you guys realize just how much influence Consumer Reports has on the public.

      It's a lot more than our community... let alone Motor Trend/etc.

    30. 08-08-2012 12:12 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by classicjetta View Post
      It sounds just like old GM
      Quote Originally Posted by mhjett View Post
      Yep. It's not exactly a good sign when you have to discount the crap out of a car in order to move them off lots.
      This.


      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Well, once more, CR is full of it. The 2012 Civic is currently the best selling car in the compact/sub-compact. And as one owner, I would buy it again specially with the current rebates. Vague steering and questionable interior details are true, though. Not enough to kill the car.
      So what about all the other less than stellar reviews of the Civic?

      Besides all the commentary here on TCL when the Civic launched, the "new" Civic didn't exactly get a warm reception in Honda/Acura forums either.

      And if there wasn't an issue, then why would Honda have to put incentives on a newish Civic model and fast-track the refresh?

      Honda has no such issues w/ the new CR-V.






      Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stack View Post
      Good thing there were no Hyundais or Kias on that list, or Hyundai marketing wouldn't have posted it for us.

      Good thing that you still have somethink up your butthole about me and/or Hyundai/Kia, otherwise, your posts (which add zero to the discussion) look even more moronic.

      Get over it.
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      08-08-2012 12:13 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Yes I read it and you are misinformed, "For the money", with rebates, there was no better buy than a Civic. Bottom line we got a Civic, a compact, at a Fiesta or Accent price.
      vw fanboi, i present to you. the civic fanboi

      i agree the civic is a good value for the price, but is it going on its namesake and record? or if this were a clean slate would it still be held in the same regard as say a Hyundai Elantra? I think not. you can only let your record speak for itself for so long before people have had enough and turn to other car makers.

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      08-08-2012 12:13 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by CP1 View Post
      This.




      Good thing that you still have somethink up your butthole about me and/or Hyundai/Kia, otherwise, your posts (which add zero to the discussion) look even more moronic.

      Get over your obsession and stop acting like a whiny baby.
      Can you use "butthole" when posting from your work account?

    33. 08-08-2012 12:19 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stack View Post
      Can you use "butthole" when posting from your work account?
      Nothing stops the truth (if that were the case).
      Why you wouldn’t (buy an Optima SX):

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      08-08-2012 12:20 AM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by CP1 View Post
      Nothing stops the "truth."
      Fixed to comply with advertising laws. Do you get paid overtime to post at night? Or reimbursed on a per-post basis?

    35. 08-08-2012 12:42 AM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris Stack View Post
      Fixed to comply with advertising laws. Do you get paid overtime to post at night? Or reimbursed on a per-post basis?
      I'm hoping to get a part-time gig w/ Honda, since they are known to actually pay for this kind of stuff.

      The new Honda Civic is so boring you'd probably have to pay me to write something positive about it, which is exactly what Honda attempted to do via a third-party European company. Welcome back to the world of pay-for-post blogging where automakers desperately try to generate positive social media buzz — and fail.

      Honda appears to be an active client with multiple campaigns running in three different countries based around these same promotional videos.
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