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    Thread: Plane crash video from inside cockpit [warning some graphic video]

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      08-08-2012 01:48 PM #1
      Crash at 2:44 Original description: This is unprecedented footage of a small airplane crash from inside the cockpit from two different views. Miraculously, everyone survived.
      The pilot will make a full recovery and the rest of us escaped with
      superficial injuries and feel very lucky to be alive . This trip was
      much anticipated and due to our excitement we had our Gopro cameras
      filming at various times. After flying up into the mountains for a hike
      in the Frank Church River of No Return Wilderness we were planning on
      flying to a small mountain town for dinner. Due to warming
      temperatures we had a hard time gaining altitude. After taking off we
      hit an air pocket that made us rapidly loose altitude, pushing us down
      into the trees. Credit: outdoors to stay

      http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=835_1344412426

      Crazy stuff

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      08-08-2012 02:56 PM #2
      Quote Originally Posted by rich! View Post
      i'd lock this thread but i have no clue how...

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      08-08-2012 03:27 PM #3
      Yikes. nasty business.
      If it's not foggy
      and you have your fog |ights on
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    4. 08-08-2012 03:44 PM #4
      Scratch one more Stinson Glad I seem to have picked a good, sturdy plane though! Pretty amazing that everyone is pretty much OK!

    5. 08-08-2012 04:26 PM #5
      I hate to speculate, but it appears they could've been over gross on a high density altitude day?

      Certainly had plenty of room to put it down in the grass after becoming airborne.

      At least they're ok!
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      08-08-2012 04:36 PM #6
      Like I said over in OT on this video, I hope the FAA whacks him in the nuts for this. What an idiot.
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      08-08-2012 07:51 PM #7
      Can somebody if the engine was running at full steam? Doesn't sound like. Breathtaking video.

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      08-08-2012 09:57 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by joness0154 View Post
      I hate to speculate, but it appears they could've been over gross on a high density altitude day?

      Certainly had plenty of room to put it down in the grass after becoming airborne.

      At least they're ok!
      Yeah... I'd say so! I mean, I doubt he gets more than 200 AGL that entire video. Obviously struggling to keep it in the air the entire time. I love the description "hit a pocket of air"... More like, couldn't climb with the terrain climbing... Its pretty telling that the stall horn is going off for a while before they hit the trees.

      Quote Originally Posted by Brendan@bwalkauto View Post
      Like I said over in OT on this video, I hope the FAA whacks him in the nuts for this. What an idiot.
      Yup. And I quote:

      Each pilot in command shall, before beginning a flight, become familiar with all available information concerning that flight. This information must include—

      (2) For civil aircraft other than those specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section, other reliable information appropriate to the aircraft, relating to aircraft performance under expected values of airport elevation and runway slope, aircraft gross weight, and wind and temperature.
      I'd say its pretty black and white...
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      08-09-2012 12:15 AM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      Can somebody if the engine was running at full steam? Doesn't sound like. Breathtaking video.
      Sounded the same from the takeoff roll through the crash, so it was developing full power.
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      08-09-2012 01:03 AM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Brendan@bwalkauto View Post
      Like I said over in OT on this video, I hope the FAA whacks him in the nuts for this. What an idiot.
      Yup. What a jackass. He took off with poor (non-existant) climb performance... Did he think it was magically going to get better?! Plenty of opportunities to set it down.

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      08-09-2012 01:47 AM #11
      Can someone help me out, I'm intox... 6:24, is that an iPad? is that normal equipment on the yoke?
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      08-09-2012 01:50 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by KrautFed View Post
      Can someone help me out, I'm intox... 6:24, is that an iPad? is that normal equipment on the yoke?
      Yup, an iPad on a yoke mount. Good for digital charts, digital flight plans, etc.
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      08-09-2012 08:40 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by KrautFed View Post
      Can someone help me out, I'm intox... 6:24, is that an iPad? is that normal equipment on the yoke?
      No more shuffling through charts, approach plates, etc.
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    14. 08-09-2012 10:06 AM #14
      Quote Originally Posted by ATL_Av8r View Post
      No more shuffling through charts, approach plates, etc.
      And I saw some dude with a Piper Cub up at Oshkosh who had an ADS-B receiver connected to his iPad (either Wifi or Bluetooth) that also included GPS. It was sweet. Overlaid his position on a moving map + traffic & weather.

      God I love technology.

    15. 08-09-2012 11:15 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by USN_JeepWK View Post
      Its pretty telling that the stall horn is going off for a while before they hit the trees.
      Unless he had some aftermarket horn installed, Stinson's don't have stall horns. One thing I find interesting though, is that you thought you heard a stall horn, and someone else on another forum asked why there wasn't a stall horn...

      Also, the mixture was full rich, and apparently density altitude was 8-9000'. So in addition to the engine making 75% or less of rated power, it was running way too rich to make optimum power at that DA. [/student pilot armchair piloting]

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      08-09-2012 06:18 PM #16
      Clearly a DA issue caused by poor ADM....


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      08-10-2012 03:47 PM #18
      Did you see how long the take off run was, and notice that he got airborn for about 5 seconds, and then touched back down? 1. That's a failure for a soft field takeoff. 2. Indication the aircraft is unable to climb, or even maintain altitude. There are always many links in an aircraft chain. Break only one and you won't have the accident. In this case the links are probably.

      Field elevation
      Time of day "hot"
      overloaded (possibly)
      extremely long take off run
      Aircraft settled back down
      another long take off run.
      A/C unable to climb.
      Ego attitude from Pilot (possible)

      I'm sure there are more.

      Remedy just one of these links and the accident probably would not have occurred.

      If you are crashing, take your hands off the control yoke to avoid breaking your hands/ thumbs. That's the most common injury to a pilot. did you see his hands after the crash? ouch.
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    18. 08-10-2012 04:25 PM #19
      It also wasn't the pilot's first crash due to poor pre-flight planning apparently.

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      08-10-2012 04:46 PM #20
      This may be a dumb question on my part, but how did you find that out? Is there a link to the details of his previous crash?

    20. 08-10-2012 04:55 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by NickWVU View Post
      This may be a dumb question on my part, but how did you find that out? Is there a link to the details of his previous crash?
      It was on AvWeb:

      http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news..._207184-1.html

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      The pilot reported that he intended to fly his airplane on a cross-country flight over high mountainous terrain. After takeoff, the pilot climbed to 9,500 feet mean sea level (msl) in order to fly over mountains. He subsequently descended to 8,500 feet msl, and then he attempted to climb back to 9,500 feet to clear additional mountains. This second climbing effort diminished his fuel reserve, so the pilot opted to divert to a 7,160-foot msl uncontrolled airport short of his destination. While flying over the airport to evaluate its runway's condition, the pilot noted that the runway was covered with snow. The pilot opined that because of the airplane's low fuel state, it was prudent for him to land. The pilot made a soft-field landing on the runway. During rollout, the airplane's wheels penetrated the snow-covered surface, the airplane nosed over, and both wings and the empennage broke.

      NTSB Probable Cause Narrative

      The pilot's encounter with soft, snow-covered terrain while executing a precautionary landing.
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    21. 08-11-2012 04:08 AM #22
      I saw the wreckage of this plane at the Boise airport a couple weeks ago up close in person, it looked BAD. I was at first told nobody survived it and I believed it, but later got a clarification of the story. I was told that they just had too much weight on too hot a day.

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      08-12-2012 09:12 AM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by joness0154 View Post
      It also wasn't the pilot's first crash due to poor pre-flight planning apparently.
      Yeah, this guy needs to not fly any more. Ever.
      If it's not foggy
      and you have your fog |ights on
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      08-12-2012 10:02 AM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by Gern_Blanston View Post
      Yeah, this guy needs to not fly any more. Ever.
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      08-12-2012 11:11 AM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Gern_Blanston View Post
      Yeah, this guy needs to not fly any more. Ever.
      He's a menace to himself and everything else in the air...
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      08-12-2012 07:29 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Gern_Blanston View Post
      Yeah, this guy needs to not fly any more. Ever.
      For sure, did he get his licence in a breakfast cereal packet ??
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      08-13-2012 06:31 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by dubfan View Post
      He's a menace to himself and everything else in the air...
      even birds?
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      08-13-2012 09:04 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by ATL_Av8r View Post
      even birds?
      More than likely, yes.

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      08-13-2012 11:31 AM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by atl_av8r View Post
      even birds?
      yes, birds too!!!
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      08-13-2012 11:34 AM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by dubfan View Post
      He's a menace to himself and everything else in the air...
      And on the ground!

      Quote Originally Posted by ATL_Av8r View Post
      even birds?
      I'm thinkin'.
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      08-13-2012 12:40 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by joness0154 View Post
      Thanks, Jones.

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      08-17-2012 11:06 AM #32
      Pilot speaks to AOPA, says "not the best decision"

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      08-17-2012 02:24 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by vwbrvr6 View Post
      Pilot speaks to AOPA, says "not the best decision"

      http://www.aopa.org/training/article...&cmp=ePlt:RdMr
      "I was going to abort." Shoulda woulda coulda. A statement like that is about as useful as runway behind you, or altitude above you.
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