Obviously it won't be what we see here in North America, especially the dash.
As well disappointed with the 280hp 2.0L.
However I will let it slide if Audi places a reasonable sticker price on this.
Shouldn't have a problem keeping it under $45k US or $50k Cdn
**Also hope they bring this out soon, more so the S3. I almost bought a 8P a month ago but backed out since it didn't make sense, just so I can get my 'fix'
My understanding is that the dash layout will remain the same for the US.
Same goes for the new GTI. The rumor mill is telling folks it's going to get 260-280hp in the MQB version, but I'm placing my money on 225-230hp so there is room for an R model in the 260-280 range. If VAG can continue to reduce the weight of these vehicles then there is not as much need to keep cranking the horsepower.
You also have to remember that the dash for the 8P came from it's release in 2003.
Keep in mind that besides weight savings, the other major goal of the MQB program was to significantly reduce manufacturing time and to amortize more costs across more vehicles. Translation = lower total cost to build. My guess is that this is going to provide some much needed wiggle room to provide additional options and enhanced features that we in North America did not have access to during the 8P cycle. The 8P A3, like the Golf V it is essentially based upon, was a very expensive platform to build. While the Golf received a significant refresh that cut build time and costs by something like 30% the A3 did not receive a similar program - one of the other reasons why the 8P had such a long life (to recoup costs).
No, my guess is that we will have a virtually identical interior to the Eurospec model already in production. The questions that remain for US release are all related to powertrain and option packages. Many of us are holding out for a six-speed manual with quattro, which I would expect we'll get with the S3 - but whether that will be an option on the regular spec A3 is a different story.
In the end, I think all I care is the speculation that the likely US bound sedan will be released at the Paris Show
29 Sep 2012 - 14 Oct 2012
That's when I think all the questions will be answered, well likely this month / next leaks will start popping up. lol soon
Back to the S3 posted above. Again, North America won't see the 3-door for a bit. Realistically though, without upgrading the turbo, and the weight that the S3 will likely be, it becomes a pissing contest.
What I mean is, 300-350 whp and the lbs-ft a 2.0L engine will provide you, matted to Quattro I think this car will be enough for my personal needs anyway.
Right now I have my Genesis Coupe putting down ~ 250 whp and about 320 wlbs-ft, that's with a TD04 which in BW terms is a tad larger K03. Torque wise, this is PLENTY, and the rear wheels break out quite easily. I wish it had a bit more top end, and I think 300 whp would be fine.
With the K04, I think with all that is being put into the 2.0T (TFSI?) the weight we should likely expect in around 3,200 lbs, Quattro...even if it is matted to a DSG...MAYBE we will be blessed with twin scroll technology to make that bottom end even more fun!!
ECU tune, intercooler, tbe = stage II *we will see what fuelling is required* - for a daily driver, you will have PLENTY of car. At my age, and the rules now where I live, I am getting over the fact that I will likely not see a 2.5T in my near future, I will just buy the sound track for the stereo
***here in Ontario where I live, 50 km/h means a crushed car, $10,000 fine and your license gone for a year. Right now, 100 - 150 km/h gets up there in under 3 seconds when you want to pass someone. There is a point where things get excessive.
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As for 300-350hp - you'll likely need to wait for an RS3. I'll wager big bucks on the S3 not putting down anything above 260-280hp.
I think that a lot of people forget that Audi has discovered that the traditional sales model based on vehicle size correlating to price point doesn't really work any longer. Vehicles have become more lifestyle and manufacturers can tune the vehicles to different markets. So, the A4 is much more conservative, mainstream, and plush. That doesn't mean that there isn't a market for a slightly smaller, sportier themed, more avant garde model that wouldn't appeal to a slightly different buyer (think A5 Sportback, A7, or in some ways the upcoming A3 sedan).
I've been thinking about how many smaller/sporty/premier models are being released in the next year or so from the German brands. The Mercedes CLA sedan based on the CLA Concept, the BMW X1- which is just arriving at US dealers now, an updated 1-series coupe (likely to be badged as a "2-series") with the single twin-scroll turbo 240 hp 4 cyl available in the base model. It makes for some great choices for consumers.
Right now I'm interested in something that has awd- it's just a real pain and expense to switch out to winter tires every November. The A3 sedan could be my pick if they get the engine right.
I believe that the whole base engine thinking is radically changing to giving consumers an uptick in power. Seems to me it's crucial in getting the parameters right of what is basically a new niche automobile for the North American market.
Last edited by brookside; 08-11-2012 at 08:53 AM.
This can mean one of two things: the timetable for the sedan has been pushed up for US on-sale dates, or pushed back to accomodate the European market introductions. Either way we should know more by November. My hope is that the US on-sale date is May of next year.
My hope for powertrains is that we get the newly updated 2.0T (debuts in the '13 Q5 this fall) in lieu of the 1.8T and a manual transmission. Ideally we get a manually with quattro, but again if I were a betting man I would say that we'll only see the 6MT+quattro combination in the S3 and there may even be a really good chance that the standard A3 only gets the DSG gearbox here in the US. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.