12 exhaust valves will always sound better than 6...
Make up your mind and get the 24v
Okay I always have problems with making these tough desicions. I think I want the 24v because of the extra hp and a little better mpg, but I heard the 12v sounds sexier, and is easier to work on with cheaper mods too. Please help me with this decision. Btw I just drove a 24v and loved it but his needed a lot of work.
okay so the 24v does not have the chain issue, correct? but I heard that the 24v is a complete pain to work on, and i'm on a tighter budget. I think it will most likley come down to what I can find near me, there is a really nice 12v near me that I might go look at, and to look at another 24v it will be a 4hr drive to just look at it.
Also, EVERY VR is a pain in the a$$ to work on. I guess a 24v is more complicated, though. Don't expect it to be easy breezy with a 12v just cause it isn't a 24v.
VR's are probably the least reliable, most annoying engine of the MKIV's.. but it's still my favorite.
As with all VWs (and most other european cars) however, what you put into them is what you'll get in return. Follow all maintenance intervals to a 'T' and regardless of what engine the car has, unless it has major recalls or is a lemon, it will be reliable.
Probably shoulda separated the statements. But to my knowledge, most 1.8ts do not last long before it goes to hell.
Like I said, when it comes to reliability N/A>Turbo
But yeah the 2.0 probably wins for reliability out of the three, but it's lame haha
And if you want reliable buy a GM product with a 3800 series motor.
Bought one and drove it for two days and then the engine blew, turns out the po took off the oil pan and forgot to put it back on.
Two days, no oil.
Also, if my VR6 never breaks down, I never have to really work on it. So who cares which is easier to fix if one never breaks? See my point?
Last edited by GiveEmHell; 08-10-2012 at 08:59 AM.
Yeah keep up with everything on almost any engine and it'll last, but when you have to change a VR's chains, I'd rather do a 1.8 timing belt. Not saying it's really harder, I'm just not looking forward to it , 2.0's timing belt wasn't so bad. But yes generally NA>FI reliability I can't argue that.
I lol'd about that 3800, those are good motors my buddy's about to pick up an 04 L36 Monte Carlo SS with 45k miles on it, the non S/C 3800. Definitely garage kept, it's spotless. I'd trust 90% of GM engines over a lot of things. Same buddy's grandfather has an 06 Avalanche with 435k on it, tranny finally gave in around 400k, 5.3 vortech still kicking . I'm still waiting for my dad to give up his 02 Silverado 6.0 4 door so I can buy it off him, only 32k on it
It's my opinion. I own a 1.8t that's been very nice to me, and I work at a VW/Audi specialist shop where we get all the MKIV engines. The VR is more complicated, N/A or not. I guess I have much more experience with older spec VR's.. so maybe that's my problem.
But, seriously.. everyone who knows anything about VW knows you're fine if you're not a dumba$$ and just take care of your dang motor.
EDIT: I guarantee your bro is retarded. Mine has 162,XXX and has not a single problem with the motor or turbo.
Last edited by mooseinabox; 08-10-2012 at 12:59 PM.
I can say that both motors are great and will last you a long time as long as the previous owner took care of them.
1.8t - i have had more problems with probably because stupid teens think there fast n the furious because it makes a swoosh sound. Ive heard of them running past 200k as long as timing belt and water ppump were done, but i see alot of turbos go on them too after having a tune for a while
Vr6 - nothing compares to the sound just sexy, 12v def have more chain issues but as long as that and water pump and crack pipe are done ive seen 200k + no problem. 24v dont see too much with chain issues def are a little quicker but also most of the time more expensive plus to fix.
hands down both awsome motors just all depends on the previous owner
"Its ugly, but it gets you there"
Duuuude car looks so clean!
Maintenance first! Oil change (I reccomend Castrol SLX OE 5w-30 or EDGE 5W-40 then G12 Coolant Flush and maybe new spark plugs will do
-2011 MK4.5 1.8T VW Motorsport GLI R Proyect. Codename ".:Rolling Thunder"
-"The ammount of Love, Money and HorsePower We Can Have Is Never Enough" -Sensei Mawy Luna
thanks for the info. when i bought it, it had just recently been detailed and maintained so it wont need oil for a while or anything like that, all i have really done so far is fix minor problems and wax and clean it since it did a 300mile drive right after i bought it.