Cars that looked great, but otherwise weren't that great

[mellbergVWfan]

i'm surprised no one has posted the Honda CR-Z yet...

[Jh0104]

CRZ was definitely a let down, i think an Si version wouldve been great!

[flytech78]

Pick one.

Love it so true

[torquepower85]

[:Jeremy:]

i'm surprised no one has posted the Honda CR-Z yet...

Surprised no one posted an nsx yet, 90 grand in the early 90's with under 300hp, looked great though

[ToucheTurtle]

Surprised no one posted an nsx yet, 90 grand in the early 90's with under 300hp, looked great though

To be fair it was competing against this car which also made only 300hp.

[:Jeremy:]

To be fair it was competing against this car which also made only 300hp.

I agree but lets be serious. I guy/girl interested in buying a ferrari isn't going to buy an nsx and if they did it was mainly for looks not performance.

[a2a4raddo]

Surprised no one posted an nsx yet, 90 grand in the early 90's with under 300hp, looked great though

The NSX cost a smidgen over 60K in the early 90's. Its primary competitors when it was released were the ferrari 348 & Lotus Esprit Turbo. Niether of which performed as good, both were more expensive to purchase and had piss poor build quality as well as piss poor reliability by comparison.

The NSX doesnt really belong in this thread as it was a Game Changer. Forced Ferrari to make significant adjustments to the next gen car (F355) in build quality, reliability, and performance. Was also the basis which Gordan Murray (The guy who created the Mclaren F1) used when creating the Mclaren F1. He owned an NSX, driven every sports car/exotic on the market at the time and specifically said he wanted his Mclaren to feel as close as possible to the NSX in regards to driving dynamics.

Lastly, Senna's (yes, the Legend) imput was used during the vehicles development.


To claim the NSX was not a great car is ignorance at best.

Try Again.

[:Jeremy:]

The NSX cost a smidgen over 60K in the early 90's. Its primary competitors when it was released were the ferrari 348 & Lotus Esprit Turbo. Niether of which performed as good, both were more expensive to purchase and had piss poor build quality as well as piss poor reliability by comparison.

The NSX doesnt really belong in this thread as it was a Game Changer. Forced Ferrari to make significant adjustments to the next gen car (F355) in build quality, reliability, and performance. Was also the basis which Gordan Murray (The guy who created the Mclaren F1) used when creating the Mclaren F1. He owned an NSX, driven every sports car/exotic on the market at the time and specifically said he wanted his Mclaren to feel as close as possible to the NSX in regards to driving dynamics.

Lastly, Senna's (yes, the Legend) imput was used during the vehicles development.


To claim the NSX was not a great car is ignorance at best.

Try Again.

Your right, NSX was so awesome that it was discontinued.

[johnod]

i'm surprised no one has posted the Honda CR-Z yet...

You guys sure you understand the subject?

Good looking cars that didn't perform well.

Not ugly cars that had matching performace.

[johnod]

Allegedly, these things had woeful handling.

I'd still take it.

[SeatIbiza1.8T]

The NSX cost a smidgen over 60K in the early 90's. Its primary competitors when it was released were the ferrari 348 & Lotus Esprit Turbo. Niether of which performed as good, both were more expensive to purchase and had piss poor build quality as well as piss poor reliability by comparison.

The NSX doesnt really belong in this thread as it was a Game Changer. Forced Ferrari to make significant adjustments to the next gen car (F355) in build quality, reliability, and performance. Was also the basis which Gordan Murray (The guy who created the Mclaren F1) used when creating the Mclaren F1. He owned an NSX, driven every sports car/exotic on the market at the time and specifically said he wanted his Mclaren to feel as close as possible to the NSX in regards to driving dynamics.

Lastly, Senna's (yes, the Legend) imput was used during the vehicles development.


To claim the NSX was not a great car is ignorance at best.

Try Again.

x2...

The NSX performed incredibly well, handled like a dream, and overall it was a GREAT car that changed they way people viewed high end sport cars and the way makers made such cars.

[c615586]

I've never driven one, but almost everything I've ever read about them says the drive doesn't live up to the looks.

[RacerrRex]

Your right, NSX was so awesome that it was discontinued.

I literally laughed out loud haha.

[Jedidub]

Waitaminit. It takes more than 138 hp to have fun? Since when?

Here's one that both defends my position and fits the thread:



To be fair, it's hard to say how reliable it would've been new and taken care of, though.

Yuck

[worth_fixing]

Your right, NSX was so awesome that it was discontinued.

Many, many great cars were discontinued, mainly because they don't sell well. S2000 is a great car, so was the MR2, Supra, Prelude, Integra, 240SX. They were all discontinued because the market just wasn't there.

In my books, the NSX was an excellent machine.

[PrimaVW]

I Kid, I Kid

I fits. Not sure what all the buzz is about... this car does nothing for me. Just another Genesis/Tiburon/Blah Blah Blah sport coupe

[NoXenons]

Many, many great cars were discontinued, mainly because they don't sell well. S2000 is a great car, so was the MR2, Supra, Prelude, Integra, 240SX. They were all discontinued because the market just wasn't there.

In my books, the NSX was an excellent machine.

I actually don't mind haters. But I have no respect for pretenders.

And the NSX is simply for them, a car for people who can't afford a Ferrari.

[worth_fixing]

I actually don't mind haters. But I have no respect for pretenders.

And the NSX is simply that, a car for people who can't afford a Ferrari.

I can't disagree with that, but then again, if I had the money to afford the Ferrari, I still would get the Honda. This said, I'm probably the minority.

[Lowerr]

Most6 maseratis are not that great at being cars, but damn do they look good...

That sure does look famaliar.

[KICKINGTI]

I actually don't mind haters. But I have no respect for pretenders.

And the NSX is simply for them, a car for people who can't afford a Ferrari.

No, an NSX was built by a company who said we can do better. They built it for the people who wanted the best available performance.

[PDing]

For $150,000 you'd expect a little more than 500hp

It does. 550hp.
Fun to drive as well.

[BattleRabbit]

Most6 maseratis are not that great at being cars, but damn do they look good...



I'd still do a Biturbo, just ahve to rewire it from the ground up and do a MegaSquirt system to make it reliable.

They were unreliable in their early form, but some old Autocar reviews I've seen points to the Biturbo family as actually being quite good to drive. The basic Biturbo was a more than competent E30 3-series competitor when new, and the hi-po versions were supposed to be most excellent. Once they went to injection they even got somewhat reliable. It's the carb'd cars that give the Biturbo its not entirely warranted bad reputation.

[Inspector Detector]

Agreed. I never really thought this car was much of an upgrade from a GTI, more of an inconvenient direction from a GTI, but it looks great, and the new TT is great.


and I thought this was the bees knees when this came out when i was a kid. But now it doesn't seem like it was ever a great idea.

All the plastic cladding + cheese graters on that monstrosity have always made it look anything but pleasant.

[GTRaavv]

Kia Forte Koup. Looks hot, especially for the price, but pretty much a turd.

[Taipei_E92]

I actually don't mind haters. But I have no respect for pretenders.

And the NSX is simply for them, a car for people who can't afford a Ferrari.

Ouch! That's some hate for the poort NSX!

It was a game changer. It made the point...exotic looks, driving dynamics, AND build quality can come in one package. For its time, it was an amazing car. There is a guy near me who drives one....looks like it just came off the dealership floor...and in talking to him...he said it still requires almost no maintenance beyond fluids and belts. I'm not a Honda guy, but kudos to them for this car. It made so many other great, exotic cars that much better! That, alone, is enough to cement its legacy. Drive one...even today...and they still feel tight and balanced. Not the fastest in a straight line, but it was never meant to be that kind of car. Take it on a twisty road...and with that chassis and 300BHP, you can have a LOT of fun!

[worth_fixing]

Ouch! That's some hate for the poort NSX!

It was a game changer. It made the point...exotic looks, driving dynamics, AND build quality can come in one package. For its time, it was an amazing car. There is a guy near me who drives one....looks like it just came off the dealership floor...and in talking to him...he said it still requires almost no maintenance beyond fluids and belts. I'm not a Honda guy, but kudos to them for this car. It made so many other great, exotic cars that much better! That, alone, is enough to cement its legacy. Drive one...even today...and they still feel tight and balanced. Not the fastest in a straight line, but it was never meant to be that kind of car. Take it on a twisty road...and with that chassis and 300BHP, you can have a LOT of fun!

To add to that (all that) your paying for Honda parts & labour, as opposed to Ferrari parts & labour. Owning such a sexy, poised sports car never was so affordable.

Besides, I really hope no one shrugs their shoulders at 290hp. That's a nice amount of power.

[Geechie_Suede]

I actually hated the healdights and wheels on those looked dated the day they came. The refresh however made me think what a great looking car.

Just realized, I haven't seen an old Avenger in a couple of years.

[Gran Turismo]

That 2.5RS has been made awesome.

Should have posted a stock example.

[RacerrRex]

The NSX wasnt THAT much of a "game changer"

I mean yeah it competed with a Ferrrari and a Lotus, but some of you are talking as if it directly and majorly impacted the rest of the entire japanese auto market

[C4 A6]

@ people thinking the NSX wasn't great.

The NSX wasnt THAT much of a "game changer"

First production car to use a full aluminum body. Look at what material supercars were made out of after the NSX came out.

Made Ferrari rethink their strategy.

The McLaren F1 took inspiration from the NSX.

Honda basically showed the world that world-beating performance doesn't need to cost as much has a world and that supercars COULD be reliable. I wanna see a Supra or STi or Evo or GT-R (from the same time) do that

Besides, I really hope no one shrugs their shoulders at 290hp. That's a nice amount of power.

My 1.8T with a downpipe makes that much

[Crimping Is Easy]

The NSX wasnt THAT much of a "game changer"

I mean yeah it competed with a Ferrrari and a Lotus, but some of you are talking as if it directly and majorly impacted the rest of the entire japanese auto market

Well, I mean, it kind of did. It showed people what Japanese cars and car companies are capable of. In addition, it forced Ferrari to go back to the drawing board. I think that's pretty impressive. A company like Honda making a car that was better in every way than a Ferrari.

[RacerrRex]

Well, I mean, it kind of did. It showed people what Japanese cars and car companies are capable of. In addition, it forced Ferrari to go back to the drawing board. I think that's pretty impressive. A company like Honda making a car that was better in every way than a Ferrari.

It was very impressive, but not a game changer lol.

Honda had an awesome play with the NSX, and it made ferrari rethink theyre next move. But it didnt change the game.

[madmax2k1]

How did you miss this one:

[Professor Gascan]

It was very impressive, but not a game changer lol.

Honda had an awesome play with the NSX, and it made ferrari rethink theyre next move. But it didnt change the game.

Yeah, it definitely didn't make Ferrari up their build quality, reliability, maintenance intervals, performance, etc.