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    1. 08-20-2012 12:18 AM #211
      Quote Originally Posted by UFO007 View Post
      That's a V12 Vantage, I think you'll find that almost everybody loves the V12 Vantage and many question why they would release it because, considering price, it makes the DBS somewhat irrelevant. The V8 Vantage, however, is a serious let down with regards to power and I would have wholeheartedly agreed if you posted the V8.

      I'm surprised the following car has yet to be posted:


      I had a poster of a white one on my wall as a child and have always wanted one. I think James May's review on Top Gear precisely sums up this car: never drive your hero, especially if it's a Countach. You'll just be disappointed.

      Harry Metcalfe disagrees and frankly i trust his opinion a lot more than anyone from the top gear team.
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      08-20-2012 12:36 AM #212

      Waited 12 years to drive this, severely disappointed. I would buy a clean GTA without delay though.



      Dog. I hate working on them, and their owners are usually not very nice.


      Good for donuts and freeway smoke machine, nothing else.


      Felt like I was driving a late 80's 750i with a cool exhaust and updated interior that had me at hello. Too front heavy and just not a fun car to drive.

      And a bit of the vice versa:



      Ugly as **** in my opinion but caught me by surprise when I test drove it. I ended up driving it for 2 solid hours.
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      08-20-2012 09:43 AM #213
      Ill have to totally disagree with you on both the vw and the Maserati. Just because your not good at wrenching on them dose not make it a bad car, it was epic. The Maserati has a fantastic engine trans if you get the 06 and later. Maybe the car you drove was not maintained properly because they drive super nice.
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      08-20-2012 10:04 AM #214
      Quote Originally Posted by terrabit2001 View Post
      Relax, I think we have the same opinion, but from two different angles. You are trying to say they are great cars and everyone should agree on that. My arguement was simply that you cant expect that to happen when some people dislike that type of car entirely. "Type" meaning handling prowess at the expense of power and performance.
      Opinions are fine....and it is my opinion that the 6 time championship winning bulls were the greatest team in the NBA ever. Just because you don't like Jordan and Pippen's style of play doesnt mean they were not a great team. Sure, your opinion is valid...i may not have liked their style of play either...but that doesnt mean they werent great players on a great team.

      A lot of cars in this thread have proven their worth. Just because you don't like the way they drive...doesnt mean they arnt great cars. Just not your cup of tea.

    5. 08-20-2012 10:04 AM #215
      Last generation Dodge Daytona. 80's hatchback styling but subpar engines if you didn't have the IROC R/T turbo.


      First generation Dodge Avenger. Same chassis as the Eclipse/Talon, even used the same interior. But no turbo motor.

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      08-20-2012 10:17 AM #217
      Quote Originally Posted by v.vdubb View Post
      Your right, NSX was so awesome that it was discontinued.
      Irony runs strong in this comment.

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      08-20-2012 10:46 AM #218
      Quote Originally Posted by Lithium Lotus View Post
      Last generation Dodge Daytona. 80's hatchback styling but subpar engines if you didn't have the IROC R/T turbo.
      The Shelby Z was good IMO.

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      08-20-2012 10:57 AM #219
      Quote Originally Posted by ToucheTurtle View Post
      Harry Metcalfe disagrees and frankly i trust his opinion a lot more than anyone from the top gear team.
      James May was a motoring journalist before he joined Top Gear; just because he cocks about on TG it doesn't make his opinion any less valid. Watch any video of anybody driving the car and just look how much effort they are exerting. It's the epitome of how the old super cars were, fast as hell but a bitch to drive. Heavy clutch, heavy gearbox, heavy steering, extremely poor visibility, uncomfortable seating position for many and the list goes on. I've been a passenger in one: the owner didn't enjoy taking me for a ride through the little village we passed through, he was sweating buckets by the end of the drive.

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      08-20-2012 11:08 AM #220
      Quote Originally Posted by Sir UNBANNED_GERBIL M.B. View Post
      The 2.5RS were horrible. I worked for Dollar car rental in the mid to late 90's and drive these off the showroom floor when new for rental duties. In a straight line we lined up a new auto accent hatch of the same era and the Accent killed the 2.5RS everytime until triple digit speeds. Then the Imprezza hits it's limiter and the Accent flew by again
      Uh, what?

      The 2.5RS was no WRX - the looks definitely oversold it - but it was the lightest car Subaru ever chucked the EJ25 into. 165hp/162ft-lb in a 2800lb car was quick for its era in the US. Hyundai has never made an Accent as quick from a standing start as a 5-speed 2.5RS, not even the current 138hp model.

      They also handle extremely well, before people figured out how to prep the '89 Civics these were the car to have for STS since they could max out the class rules for tire width easily. Especially the '00-'01 with rear LSD.
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      08-20-2012 11:44 AM #221
      never driven a countach, but sat in one last week....

      HORRIBLE visability. I dont know how you could drive one on a freeway and merge...there really isnt any rear window, and HUGE blind spots on the sides. The pedals are hard to get to and the driver is really cramped.

      I too had a poster of a white one, and when I say the car last week, I instantly though, OMFG, awesome!!

      I was warned by my buddy that it really isnt all that and the driving experience is horrible.....

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      08-20-2012 12:37 PM #222
      Quote Originally Posted by speed51133! View Post
      never driven a countach, but sat in one last week....

      HORRIBLE visability. I dont know how you could drive one on a freeway and merge...there really isnt any rear window, and HUGE blind spots on the sides. The pedals are hard to get to and the driver is really cramped.

      I too had a poster of a white one, and when I say the car last week, I instantly though, OMFG, awesome!!

      I was warned by my buddy that it really isnt all that and the driving experience is horrible.....
      I drove one. Not that bad, but then again, I had driven panel vans and RVs and things that have poor rearward visibility, so the Countach didn't bother me. I didn't even have to assume the "Countach position" to back it into it's spot. After backing a travel trailer around through parked cars and into a spot next to the house, I don't think that a Countach is difficult at all. Besides, " what'sa behinda you, isa not important!" Just go forward rapidly and all's well.

      Though the clutch does suck, it's no worse than a lot of high performance cars of the era (like any big block Ford car with a manual trans)
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      08-20-2012 02:20 PM #223
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      08-20-2012 02:23 PM #224
      Quote Originally Posted by a2a4raddo View Post
      Opinions are fine....and it is my opinion that the 6 time championship winning bulls were the greatest team in the NBA ever. Just because you don't like Jordan and Pippen's style of play doesnt mean they were not a great team. Sure, your opinion is valid...i may not have liked their style of play either...but that doesnt mean they werent great players on a great team.

      A lot of cars in this thread have proven their worth. Just because you don't like the way they drive...doesnt mean they arnt great cars. Just not your cup of tea.

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      08-20-2012 02:32 PM #225
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      08-20-2012 02:41 PM #226
      Quote Originally Posted by kezho View Post
      Epitome

      It's not even the epitome of BMW doing so.



      The 507 is an absolutely beautiful car, but they were ridiculously expensive, they overheated easily and supposedly weren't that reliable. Naturally, it's safe to assume I've never owned one, so you can take that with as big of a grain of salt as you desire.
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      08-20-2012 02:45 PM #227
      Quote Originally Posted by UFO007 View Post
      James May was a motoring journalist before he joined Top Gear; just because he cocks about on TG it doesn't make his opinion any less valid. Watch any video of anybody driving the car and just look how much effort they are exerting. It's the epitome of how the old super cars were, fast as hell but a bitch to drive. Heavy clutch, heavy gearbox, heavy steering, extremely poor visibility, uncomfortable seating position for many and the list goes on. I've been a passenger in one: the owner didn't enjoy taking me for a ride through the little village we passed through, he was sweating buckets by the end of the drive.
      Exactly. In fact, theres a company in Holland that has developed electric assist power steering that is OEM in integration. You know who they sell a lot to? Countach owners.

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      08-20-2012 07:15 PM #229
      Quote Originally Posted by a2a4raddo View Post
      Opinions are fine....and it is my opinion that the 6 time championship winning bulls were the greatest team in the NBA ever. Just because you don't like Jordan and Pippen's style of play doesnt mean they were not a great team. Sure, your opinion is valid...i may not have liked their style of play either...but that doesnt mean they werent great players on a great team.

      A lot of cars in this thread have proven their worth. Just because you don't like the way they drive...doesnt mean they arnt great cars. Just not your cup of tea.
      Alright, this is one of those rare occasions where I admit I was wrong. You guys have a point. I didnt say the ITR wasnt fun as hell either... just not my PERSONAL idea of great. Whereas say, my fathers 67 firebird, with all of its quirks, sends chills down my spine when I drive it that even my '11 GT cant match. That feeling to me, is greatness.

      Again though, I relent... some people are looking for different things.

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      08-21-2012 12:15 AM #230
      Quote Originally Posted by flytech78 View Post
      Ill have to totally disagree with you on both the vw and the Maserati. Just because your not good at wrenching on them dose not make it a bad car, it was epic. The Maserati has a fantastic engine trans if you get the 06 and later. Maybe the car you drove was not maintained properly because they drive super nice.
      They were not epic. I've driven and worked on plenty of large luxury cars and for it's era, it was bad. I'd take a same age XJR, E-class, lighter A8, or 745iL over it any day.

      And an FYI I didn't say I was "not good at wrenching on them." I've made plenty of fair money on them and never once had a come-back.

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      08-21-2012 01:40 AM #231
      Quote Originally Posted by Hurt View Post


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      1977-1981 were very dark days for US auto performance, indeed. We lost the pulse. I think the defibrillator came in the form of the 1984-87 Buick Grand National.

      Meanwhile, the modern horsepower wars have yet to abate.

      I thought insurance rates would have crushed 600 HP cars by now, but nope. They keep upping the game. Amazing.

    22. 08-22-2012 04:18 PM #232
      definitely agree with the Lamborghini Countach as well as the GM F-bodies, particularly the later ones. i'll also throw out the Mitsubishi 3000 GT, which looked better than most of the Japanese sports cars and GTs of the same period, but had the worst overall performance.

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      08-22-2012 07:13 PM #233
      Pssst, according to Harry Metcalfe and the people at Octane/Classic and Sports Car, the Countach was actually pretty darn good, even from the persepctive of a modern reviewer.

      James May is a journalist, and was one in print long before Top Gear, but let's not forget that they're WAY funnier when they're being derisive(and they are in fact, making an entertainment centered program, not a factual one).
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      08-22-2012 07:19 PM #234
      Quote Originally Posted by akuma View Post
      i'll also throw out the Mitsubishi 3000 GT, which looked better than most of the Japanese sports cars and GTs of the same period,
      So you think the 3000GT looked better then the 300ZX, RX7, Supra, & NSX from the same time period?

      The GTO was the ugliest once of the bunch imo.

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      08-23-2012 04:00 PM #235
      Quote Originally Posted by a2a4raddo View Post
      So you think the 3000GT looked better then the 300ZX, RX7, Supra, & NSX from the same time period?

      The GTO was the ugliest once of the bunch imo.
      Meh I'd say the 300ZX looked worse. Those square headlights

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      08-23-2012 04:04 PM #236
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      Meh I'd say the 300ZX looked worse. Those square headlights
      i think the headlights looked great.



      So did Lamborghini...


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      What's wrong with it? Just curious.
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      I know VW typically has terrible service departments (I dealt with one of the worst in Ohio for a while).

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      08-23-2012 05:30 PM #241
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      Meh I'd say the 300ZX looked worse. Those square headlights
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      08-23-2012 05:40 PM #242
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      Lamborghini thought they were good enough
      Who said that model Lambo looked good because if its headlights

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      08-23-2012 06:11 PM #243
      Quote Originally Posted by zerotosixty View Post
      And this is exactly why I call you a complete joke...

      If it was all about motorsport success, all Audi owners should be hawking their cars constantly because Audi dominates Le Mans and DTM. It's funny because you're stuck in the past. The NSX is decades old and the ITR is done. Look at Honda now. We all love the NSX and S2k, but that's it. ITR doesn't deserve the praise you give it. It is no more than a guised up Integra, like an R32 is to a Golf.

      GTI has been liked for years. It was on C&D's 10 best for awhile.
      GTI liked for years? Do you forget the mk3 and mk4 variations, both universally sacked by the media for being bloated, under-powered variations on the cars they all loved (the mk1 and mk2)? It wasn't until the mk5 that the GTI returned to the All Star and Top 10 lists.

      How is liking one of the best FWD cars ever, past or present, living in the past? Don't we all wax poetic about the cars of yore? Do you apply the same sentiment of the ITR to the E30 M3? The E30 M3 had an equally successful racing history, but that is....history. It is in the past. The E30 M3's performance numbers are trumped by modern minivans, and all that's left is that "sublime gear box" and the "feel" so often associated with virtually all performance cars from the 90s.

      Your logic for knocking C4 A6's love for the ITR is flawed, as it can be applied to ANY performance car of the past.
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