@ the NSX looking great but otherwise not being that great. Amazing driving dynamics, great build quality, innovative construction, and great performance for its time. Why are people such badge-tards on this forum?
At least my fanboyism is grounded in reality. I don't see magazines talk about how groundbreaking a GTI (aside from the Mk1, the original hot hatch) is. The NSX, on the other hand, was truly revolutionary. I don't see magazines tout the GTI as the best FWD car ever created [insert ITR here]. I don't see people selling their NSXes to buy an R32 because the NSX is just a Honda. I didn't see VW win any SCCA Pro Racing titles back in the 90s when the ITR and the NSX just about dominated. And even now, the RTR TSXes are consistently at the top of their class. In Grand Am Continental Challenge ST class, the Civic Si has taken more #1 spots (3) than the VW GTI (1).
My fanboyism goes beyond the badge in REAL WORLD success, and I'm not talking car shows or midnight drags down the highway.
Kind regards,The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin
If it was all about motorsport success, all Audi owners should be hawking their cars constantly because Audi dominates Le Mans and DTM. It's funny because you're stuck in the past. The NSX is decades old and the ITR is done. Look at Honda now. We all love the NSX and S2k, but that's it. ITR doesn't deserve the praise you give it. It is no more than a guised up Integra, like an R32 is to a Golf.
GTI has been liked for years. It was on C&D's 10 best for awhile.
Tell that to Car and Driver, evoUK, and Sport Compact Car (now known as Modified. blech). You seem to hate the ITR because its FWD. You see:ITR doesn't deserve the praise you give it.
and go, "It sucks." Have you even driven one? No. Do you like Miatas? Of course you do, this is Car Lounge. Oh, and it's RWD. That means you already like it, no? Oh, what, you don't like the Miata because it's a gay car and it's slow? Don't make me laugh. I'll sooner listen to people who actually DRIVE the cars they talk about than those who look at a badge and go, "Pfft, no VW no care." The Miata is a great car because its simple, no nanny electronics, easy to drive, and most of all FUN to drive. Many people have likened the ITR to a FWD Miata: simple, no nanny electronics, easy to drive, and fun to drive.
I bolded that last statement because nearly every R32 supporter in this thread (and out in the world) seems to think otherwise.It is no more than a guised up Integra, like an R32 is to a Golf.
I've had brief seat time in an R32 (parking lot car control clinic). Gobs of torque is fun, but when pushed hard to its limits, you really notice the weight and 62/38 dist., and that's what holds it back from being from just a good car to a great car.
I've only ridden in an S2000, and while the engine is anemic under 4000, who cares? A high revving 4 cylinder that pulls hard from 5000 to 9000 is more fun and rewarding to drive than a big 6 cylinder that pulls hard from 2000 to about 5700 and then you start to feel the torque drop off even though it's got another 1000 rpm to go.
You can make them enjoyable to drive, too, if you do things the right way, but most "Emkay" kids just screw them up by throwing eBay springs on stock struts and throw on anything that resembles a BBS wheel, putting a badgeless grille on and leaving it ABS black, and other stupid things that ultimately ruin the VW badge for the rest of us.
Yes, Honda is a magnificent auto maker. I've loved every Honda I've owned except for 1, and that one was my fault. Yes, an NSX is a supercar in my book. Not all people who like VW's hate Honda. My Uncle has an NSX (post facelift), and it is amazing. Yes, ITR's are amazing vehicles for what they are. I owned a GS-R, and I loved it. I've driven a 98' Type R around a track, and I really really enjoyed it. Honda manufactured amazing automobiles in the 90's, and continues to do so today. I see more 8th gen Civics than anything else on the road.
TL;DR: Not all VW-fans are bad. I for one, love Honda.
Who ever put the FR-S,BRZ up is as smart as a box of smashed d!(ks... In a time where cars are getting fatter and progressively boring, this is a very welcome change. And if your badge blind with any luck it will light a fire under the ass of the rest of the car manufacturers in that class.
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Ill just put this here and walk away. Not that it was hored just not as good as every honda guys says but hey if you only have two performance cars to choose from you need to talk a big talk about what you got.
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Good bye and thanx for all the fish!