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      08-12-2012 01:20 AM #1
      porsche dodge or ford?


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      08-12-2012 01:38 AM #2
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      08-12-2012 01:44 AM #4
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      08-12-2012 01:48 AM #5
      Carrera GT v10...a cbr600 with 6 more cylinders.
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      It's composed at all speeds and at all times...it just feels like you're holding the leash on a 150lb pit bull and praying you don't see a squirrel.

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      08-12-2012 03:20 AM #7
      VW's V10 TDI
      Lamborghini's V10 found in later Gallardo models

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      08-12-2012 08:37 AM #8
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      08-12-2012 09:43 AM #9
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      VR10
      Isn't that engine nothing more than two VW I5s from the Rabbit bolted together??

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      08-12-2012 10:42 AM #11
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      VR10
































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      08-12-2012 11:26 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Zed You View Post
      satan called. he wants his engine back.
      Regarding DD'ing a tuned Evo:
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      It's composed at all speeds and at all times...it just feels like you're holding the leash on a 150lb pit bull and praying you don't see a squirrel.

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      08-12-2012 11:31 AM #13
      It will always be the CGT for me, LFA a close second.



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      08-12-2012 11:33 AM #14
      There is no good V10 motor IMO, but I would say that the best of the bad is the E60 M5 motor.
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      08-12-2012 11:34 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by warren_s View Post
      Isn't that engine nothing more than two VW I5s from the Rabbit bolted together??
      Nah, one from a Golf and one from a Jetta, and they are welded not bolted..

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      08-12-2012 11:47 AM #16
      Quote Originally Posted by mariok2006 View Post
      It will always be the CGT for me, LFA a close second.

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      Quote Originally Posted by MB_Fahrer View Post
      There is no good V10 motor IMO
      Care to elaborate? Genuinely curious as to why you say this.
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      08-12-2012 11:50 AM #17
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkEnergist View Post
      Ho. Lee. Car control.
      Tim Schrick can drive.
      Regarding DD'ing a tuned Evo:
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      It's composed at all speeds and at all times...it just feels like you're holding the leash on a 150lb pit bull and praying you don't see a squirrel.

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      08-12-2012 12:39 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkEnergist View Post
      Care to elaborate? Genuinely curious as to why you say this.
      Just personal preference really. I don't think the technology has caught up to make them practical outside of circuit use. Most of them are high strung, and do not make enough torque to get off the line as quickly as a comparable V8 or V12. That's not to say that there isn't one out there, but the usual V10 suspects (Lambo/Audi/VW V10, LFA V10, CGT V10, E60 V10) just don't work that well under normal operating conditions. Most of the V10s do make quite a bit of horsepower which lessens the pronounced "lack" of torque; however an attuned driver can still pick up that something is missing.

      Off road use is completely different. The V10s rely on high RPMs to churn out quite a bit of HP, and they do so very well once you get into the powerband.

      Personally, I don't care for high strung motors. I am not by any means promoting American metal that does nothing but leave black stripes everywhere, but most V8's have more livable HP/TQ ratios than V10s. The more "relaxed" V12's also have better HP/TQ ratios than the V10 line tends to. There are plenty of high strung V12s out there though, so that's not a very good comparison.
      Last edited by MB_Fahrer; 08-12-2012 at 12:42 PM.
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      08-12-2012 01:02 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by MB_Fahrer View Post
      Just personal preference really. I don't think the technology has caught up to make them practical outside of circuit use. Most of them are high strung, and do not make enough torque to get off the line as quickly as a comparable V8 or V12. That's not to say that there isn't one out there, but the usual V10 suspects (Lambo/Audi/VW V10, LFA V10, CGT V10, E60 V10) just don't work that well under normal operating conditions. Most of the V10s do make quite a bit of horsepower which lessens the pronounced "lack" of torque; however an attuned driver can still pick up that something is missing.

      Off road use is completely different. The V10s rely on high RPMs to churn out quite a bit of HP, and they do so very well once you get into the powerband.

      Personally, I don't care for high strung motors. I am not by any means promoting American metal that does nothing but leave black stripes everywhere, but most V8's have more livable HP/TQ ratios than V10s. The more "relaxed" V12's also have better HP/TQ ratios than the V10 line tends to. There are plenty of high strung V12s out there though, so that's not a very good comparison.
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      08-12-2012 01:12 PM #20
      Quote Originally Posted by thegoodson View Post
      Ahem.

      Completely forgot that even existed.
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      08-12-2012 01:22 PM #21
      Quote Originally Posted by Zed You View Post
      What's with the 2nd to 3rd gear shift on the LFA? Seems to perform that shift like it has a clutch delay valve.

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      08-12-2012 01:25 PM #22
      Quote Originally Posted by MB_Fahrer View Post
      Just personal preference really. I don't think the technology has caught up to make them practical outside of circuit use. Most of them are high strung, and do not make enough torque to get off the line as quickly as a comparable V8 or V12. That's not to say that there isn't one out there, but the usual V10 suspects (Lambo/Audi/VW V10, LFA V10, CGT V10, E60 V10) just don't work that well under normal operating conditions. Most of the V10s do make quite a bit of horsepower which lessens the pronounced "lack" of torque; however an attuned driver can still pick up that something is missing.

      Off road use is completely different. The V10s rely on high RPMs to churn out quite a bit of HP, and they do so very well once you get into the powerband.

      Personally, I don't care for high strung motors. I am not by any means promoting American metal that does nothing but leave black stripes everywhere, but most V8's have more livable HP/TQ ratios than V10s. The more "relaxed" V12's also have better HP/TQ ratios than the V10 line tends to. There are plenty of high strung V12s out there though, so that's not a very good comparison.
      ...uh torque is related to displacement, it has almost nothing to do with cylinder count.

      A Carrera GT makes 435 lb-ft because it's 5.7 liters, not because it's a V10. Any other normally aspirated gasoline 5.7 liter will make about the same amount of torque regardless of cylinder count.

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      08-12-2012 01:27 PM #23
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      ...uh torque is related to displacement, it has almost nothing to do with cylinder count.

      A Carrera GT makes 435 lb-ft because it's 5.7 liters, not because it's a V10. Any other normally aspirated gasoline 5.7 liter will make about the same amount of torque regardless of cylinder count.
      Doesn't the stroke of the engine have anything to do with it (i.e. long stroke = more torque), or is that just shifting the torque curve?

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      08-12-2012 01:29 PM #24
      Quote Originally Posted by helement2003 View Post
      Doesn't the stroke of the engine have anything to do with it (i.e. long stroke = more torque), or is that just shifting the torque curve?
      Nope, almost nothing to do with the torque output or the torque curve.

      Compare an R8 V10 to an M5 V10. One is largely undersquare and the other is largely oversquare - yet the power curves are very similar.

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      08-12-2012 01:38 PM #25
      Quote Originally Posted by Shomegrown View Post
      Nope, almost nothing to do with the torque output or the torque curve.

      Compare an R8 V10 to an M5 V10. One is largely undersquare and the other is largely oversquare - yet the power curves are very similar.
      You made me look it up, and sure enough, pretty close looking curves.

      Both stock dynos, both on a dynojet:

      R8:


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      LFA sounds great, but the car around the engine sucks, especially the transmission that's behind it.

      Give me a Gallardo, and send it to UGR. They sound unbelievable, make stupid power, and have the ability to put it to the ground. They are the ultimate street car, IMO.





      When you can make a 1200+hp Supra look that stupid on the highway, and then drive home on pump gas, with the AC blowing, that is incredible.
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      08-12-2012 02:21 PM #27
      Jesus... I have watched many videos but that one really shows just how stupid quick those cars take off. The Supra seems able to hang after the launch but with lag it will NEVER beat those things, even then I think the fact that it is over double the displacement AND TT...

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      Didn't Tatra make an air cooled V10?
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      08-12-2012 03:45 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Didn't Tatra make an air cooled V10?
      A diesel, no less. I don't know if they every did a petrol V10, but if they did, I'd love to know the details.

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      The BMW s85 v10 is not a bad engine... not as high strung as others.. unfortunately it is almost always linked to a horrible transmission.. and heavy car.

      I would contend that this engine in a lightweight car with a proper manual would pretty much be "the ultimate driving machine" but BMW doesn't really make that car... truth in advertising much?

      The Viper v10 is pretty awesome.. but the early model V10s are now being out done by modern v8s in terms of horse power.

      That LFA and how quick it revs is truly a thing of beauty.. unfortunately it is also linked to the wrong transmission in every application.

      OF course the CGT and VAG group V10s are probably the winners.. but I worry about reliability on the VAG group v10s.

      Overall.. I am kind of with MB_Fahrer on the idea that there really aren't any great v10s. If you are going to go with large cylinder counts... 12s are naturally balanced for primary and secondary order harmonics... and v8s are just about as smooth at 10s... but are more common and cheaper to operate while producing similar horsepower and a more laid back, easy going, power delivery.

      I wish more manufacturers produced 12s at economical price points.... but.. such is life.
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      Quote Originally Posted by x1000rpms View Post
      The BMW s85 v10 is not a bad engine... not as high strung as others.. unfortunately it is almost always linked to a horrible transmission.. and heavy car.

      I would contend that this engine in a lightweight car with a proper manual would pretty much be "the ultimate driving machine" but BMW doesn't really make that car... truth in advertising much?
      It may not have come from the factory that way, but here is your ultimate driving machine..

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      08-12-2012 04:55 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by BRealistic View Post
      Didn't Tatra make an air cooled V10?
      I don't think so unless it was a prototype. Didn't they only use their unbreakable air cooled V8's?
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      08-12-2012 05:24 PM #34
      Definitely the LFA V10. I *like* high-strung idiotic engines and that is the most idiotic of them all.

      It's the most racecar-ish IMO, and thus the most special.
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