Im baaaaack "the beast" Jr.

[redGTInj]

whats up everyone. I'm back, so of yous may remember me from "The Beast" 181whp on CIS-E back in 08... well I still have that car, but currently no motor in it BUT i now have a mk1 16v! and am going to squeeze out the most power i can out of this one too!.. gonna start small and work my way up again... havin the dyno charts to prove it too..

here's the specs soo far.
9a bottom end stock
PL head stock
TT "street" cams
TT adj. cam gear +2 degrees
modified airbox w/ K&N
CIS motronic ( have several ecu's) TT stock, TT for cams, and AMS..
stock manifold to scirocco downpipe to europort exhaust..( TT head & exhaust comin soon)

so i welcome all questions and comments and im gonna update this thread daily! im super psyched to be back and want to prove once again that 16v's RULE!

here's JR

[Adolfsatan]

Sick

[redGTInj]

engine bay now!

[ellocolindo]

nice. are you going turbo?

[redGTInj]

thanx fo rthe reply...nope... search "the beast" under my name...and u'l see where im goin

[redGTInj]

UPDATE!!!

soo i had some time to put this.....


and this...

[16ValveInside]

glad to see you are back

[redGTInj]

thanx!...ive been following ur thread too! im at work today, tryin to find a place i could dyno at today, i really need to get some base numbers with this setup now. i really just wanna get some pulls with a wideband...

the block from the red car is toast, but i recently refreshed the cylinder head from it...and it will one day make its way into the rabbit...

[redGTInj]

pics from last weeks 50mm install

apart....


was very suprised how clean the ports were...the car had been sitting for 3 years before i got her.. also pretty psyched its a 1.8 head

[redGTInj]

installed

[revolution_Jd3]

props for the scirocco 50mm.... hard hard hard to source streets are watchin

[redGTInj]

thanks man

gonna try to hit up the dymo this week, for a nice basleine number.....

[redGTInj]

UPDATE
sooo..i was never able to make it to the dyno like i had planned..BUT did get some more work done!

i slapped on a set of oldschool UNORTHDOX lightweight underdrive pulleys.. which i had on the original beast..

underiven and lighter crank pulley, and lightweight waterpump pulley..same diamter as the outer one on stock setups.. it also gets rid of the stupid free spin pulley that makes noise..

i also have apower steering lightweight pulley which i dont need in the mk1
and i also have the alternator pulley, but i havent got that from my old motor in storage..put i got a pic of teh setup soo far..

[Chris Barnes]

Very cool. Im curious to see how this goes- Your results with the last one were amazing. How does the car feel now?? Are you going to stay with stock internals/ head?

Chris

[GTIMaxx]

Bad ass!!!!! Are you gonna try to do the short runner style you dif on the red one?

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[redGTInj]

heres a shot of the crank pulley and waterpump pulley installed and running

[redGTInj]

thanx for the kind words.... i still have the cylidner head from "the beast" with EVERYTHING... im thinking of going to different cams with this car though.. ill snap a pic of the head..

and as for the short runner.. im posyched u remember! i found a pic of teh crazy setup...i did go to the dyno with it...but i NEVER revelaed the numbers..

[killa]

thanx for the kind words.... i still have the cylidner head from "the beast" with EVERYTHING... im thinking of going to different cams with this car though.. ill snap a pic of the head..

and as for the short runner.. im posyched u remember! i found a pic of teh crazy setup...i did go to the dyno with it...but i NEVER revelaed the numbers..

Did you ever get your old head flowed? It's not hard to get it to flow more than stock but you may be working in the dark if you don't have concrete flow numbers.

[ps2375]

i did go to the dyno with it...but i NEVER revelaed the numbers..

any reason for that? are you willing to reveal them now?

[killa]

any reason for that? are you willing to reveal them now?

We're in 2011, it doesn't matter if you make 150 or 200whp, it's all been done, not posting your dyno numbers are more of a thing to keep you interested.

Just keep in mind that are turbo people making well over 500- 600wheel HPand post them without a problem

[redGTInj]

hmm wow that got everybody going... well i know it flows pretty damn good...i made 181WHP on cis-e at 7,600 rpm...

[ps2375]

We're in 2011, it doesn't matter if you make 150 or 200whp, it's all been done, not posting your dyno numbers are more of a thing to keep you interested.

Just keep in mind that are turbo people making well over 500- 600wheel HPand post them without a problem

2011? I think you lost a year somewhere.

I don't really care what numbers the turbo people are making, I'm more interested in what the N/A motors make, and that particular n/a motor had some good numbers. And whether or not that particular intake was of a benefit or not would be interesting. And yes, a lot has been done, but not all share their results, and dynos are not all equal, but they are the best we have for comparing the results.

[redGTInj]

any reason for that? are you willing to reveal them now?

hey what's up! good to see ya stopped by its been awhile..

no real reason, just had a lot of things goin on, and had to put th ecars on the back burner, and then the motor ended up givin me problems... ill try and see if i have the actual printout i should somewhere..i also had them overlay before and after short runner...

[ps2375]

hmm wow that got everybody going... well i know it flows pretty damn good...i made 181WHP on cis-e at 7,600 rpm...

How did that compare with the stock mani? I don't remember that far back, normally.

[redGTInj]

Thank you!

[killa]

2011? I think you lost a year somewhere.

I don't really care what numbers the turbo people are making, I'm more interested in what the N/A motors make, and that particular n/a motor had some good numbers. And whether or not that particular intake was of a benefit or not would be interesting. And yes, a lot has been done, but not all share their results, and dynos are not all equal, but they are the best we have for comparing the results.

The fumes are getting to me

[redGTInj]

How did that compare with the stock mani? I don't remember that far back, normally.

i never dyoned it with a stock mani...the mani i ran was a 50mm ported and polished upper and lower, with a Velocity overbored TB... i hav ethe lower part of the mani on the rabbit.. matched to the rocco upper

[Bigwiggen]

He's back! I knew you couldn't be away from this for that long!

[killa]

hmm wow that got everybody going... well i know it flows pretty damn good...i made 181WHP on cis-e at 7,600 rpm...

If you assume that a decently tuned 2Liter 16v motor makes 135wheel Torque, cut down the intake runners so move the peak power up and peak at 7500 you'll end up with 192whp ((135x7500)/5252) for example, so your high hp number might be just due to moving the peak torque up in the rpm range.

Look at your dyno and compare the old torque to the new torque in order to see if you're really moving more air, Horsepower is not something you should use in gauging anything as it's just a function of Torque and Torque's the motor's true power output.

[killa]

Post any old dyno, I'll be nice to look at your torque curve.

[redGTInj]

GOOD news i wa sable to find the old dyno with a 176WHP run and the short runner run overlayed...the graph is screwed up cause it got wet somehow ove rthe years and caused the lines to run...but the numbers are clear...

ill snap a pic and post in the AM..

[redGTInj]

so your high hp number might be just due to moving the peak torque up in the rpm range.

not to be disrespectful ,but I'm not really sure what ur tryin to prove?? it was a high hp number cause be i spent years thru trial and error and finding out what does and doesnt work..and where I come from WHP and a dyno sheet MEANS alot.

anyways like u asked...heres an older dyno.. IIRC the rpm is off a little i had the stock jetronic rev limiter at 7,200rpm at this time.. later setup was able to rev much higher

[killa]

not to be disrespectful ,but I'm not really sure what ur tryin to prove?? it was a high hp number cause be i spent years thru trial and error and finding out what does and doesnt work..and where I come from WHP and a dyno sheet MEANS alot.

anyways like u asked...heres an older dyno.. IIRC the rpm is off a little i had the stock jetronic rev limiter at 7,200rpm at this time.. later setup was able to rev much higher

I'm not trying to prove anything, you said you had numbers and I like any other 16v guy would like to see them. Then you mentioned that your head flowed and I simply mentioned that just because you're making more whp it doesn't mean that your head is flowing more (not saying that it's not) and gave you the example that cutting the short runners down would move the powerband up considerably and justify your higher whp, I think I was pretty clear when I posted that and even gave examples.

I know where you come from, somewhere around Northern NJ, just like me. If you're like me then you've been to Ave P in the mid 90's and early 2000's, Hunts Point, Zerega, Global, York street (Eliz), Ikea (we started it then it was shut down), etc, all local.

But anyway, Just saw your dyno sheet, the torque looks pretty good, did you ever do a back to back run with a 50mm vs the cut down short runner? I ask because I had all that stuff done except for the runner maybe as early as 2000 but never dynoed anyway so yes, i'm curious and I'm not downplaying anything you're doing

[redGTInj]

i feel ya...and believe me if read alot of your threads to back in teh day..much respect.. this dyno sheet is not form the rabbit but my mk2 gti that i have..

pictured here..
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[redGTInj]

and gave you the example that cutting the short runners down would move the powerband up considerably and justify your higher whp, I think I was pretty clear when I posted that and even gave examples.

But this was not the case with my engine..i actually LOST 10WHP and LOST 20Ftlbs

due to the fact i made it with 40mm runers instead of using the 50mm runners.. i still have 1 more manifold i have to try one day...