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    1. 08-15-2012 10:39 PM #106
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      08-15-2012 10:40 PM #107
      S2000.
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      08-15-2012 10:42 PM #108
      R32 all the way

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      08-15-2012 10:52 PM #109
      Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm0075 View Post
      I drove my R for the first time in a year, and besides the exhaust note, I just felt meh about it.

      I won't deny the R32 can be beat for driving dynamics. A Miata will put a smile on even a non car persons face.

      That being said- an R32 is best driven in anger. Accel hard enough to need the awd, feel the TQ, rev it out, hear it sing. Throw it into the turns, turning the wonderful steering wheel, held in by the seats bolsters.. then slam on the powerful brakes.







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      08-15-2012 10:55 PM #110
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post

      I think the appropriate words are...woops??


      Not Recaros either....




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    6. 08-15-2012 11:03 PM #111
      S2000 because they can go 200,000 miles before the tiniest thing has to be replaced.

      Take the MK4 and by that mileage you will have replaced the entire car

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      08-15-2012 11:11 PM #112
      Hardly... I've got a 24v VR6 in my driveway that is just under 200,000.. only thing to fail? Water pump had a slow drip at around 140k.




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      08-15-2012 11:13 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      Not Recaros either....




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      Well crap. I guess my post has a little less significance than I initially thought it would.

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      08-15-2012 11:16 PM #114
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      I won't deny the R32 can be beat for driving dynamics. A Miata will put a smile on even a non car persons face.

      That being said- an R32 is best driven in anger. Accel hard enough to need the awd, feel the TQ, rev it out, hear it sing. Throw it into the turns, turning the wonderful steering wheel, held in by the seats bolsters.. then slam on the powerful brakes.







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      The R just felt old. It felt heavy. It just didn't tug at the heart strings like it once did. I know there are many people, like yourself, who hold the R in high regard, and its a good car, for the most part, but I think it's age is starting to show. Parts aren't cheap and as the car ages, they are starting to need to be replaced more frequently. As I said, I think I've outgrown the car and I think someone who's always wanted one will enjoy it more than me
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      08-15-2012 11:33 PM #115
      Nothing wrong with that. I drive my Phaeton more than my R.

      I plan to drive my new motorcycle more than both.


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      08-16-2012 12:04 AM #116
      I had to make this decision in 2004. I chose the R32, I would make the same decision again. I have always wanted to own an S2000 but I've never quite been able to pull the trigger. Purchasing the R32 was easy. It's good looking, rare, fun to drive, has a great motor, great exhaust note, and is practical to boot.

    12. 08-16-2012 12:04 AM #117
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      Wat?

      3.2L VR6 -> 240 hp as opposed to a 2.0L 8v -> 115 hp.
      Ridiculous engine note. Recaro seats. My god, not a city Golf.
      Cheaper Haldex AWD? Cheaper than what? It worked fine, and as far as I know, it has less problems than Subaru's, albeit not as good of a system.

      I'd go for the R32, but the S2000 is a close 2nd. Really, depends on the day. On a Friday, I'd probably say S2000, but this is Wednesday.

      Mmmmmmm.... Because of it's FWD biased nature, it has less drivetrain loss in good-traction situations. Like on the highway. Which is why it'll be faster up top than a comparably powered Mitsu or Subie.
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      08-16-2012 01:56 AM #118
      R32 was basically my dream car as a young dubber when it was first released. Probably would have made fun of the S2000s torque back then. Fast forward some years, and I voted with my wallet (and in the poll), S2K all the way. Does just fine as a daily or weekend car, and produces drives that are easily the most fun I've ever had on 4 wheels.

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      08-16-2012 03:12 AM #119
      S2000. Besides my sister already has a golf. And to top that off, I really don't have a problem with the practicality of the car. It's rare that I need all the space, and my previous car was a Toyota Matrix. Unless you are moving or traveling, how much space does a couple need? For a weekend getaway/date car it's perfect.

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      08-16-2012 06:57 PM #120
      Quote Originally Posted by Shmi View Post
      I picked R32 because I don't fit in an S2000.
      Same here. I love my R32!

    16. 08-16-2012 07:19 PM #121
      Quote Originally Posted by unintended acceleration View Post
      I'm not going to vote because I drive an S2000 and it's a silly poll.


      1 - As a daily driver, it depends on what your commute is like. If it consists of a lot of stop and go traffic, and you live in a city with dense traffic, in a hot climate the S2000 will suck. It is a car that needs an open road, or some semblance of a nice drive. To be honest, it should be a crime to drive an S2000 like this. It is painfully obvious it was not designed for this.

      2 - If it's 100 outside, the A/C is on and you are sitting in traffic. The S2000 is the wrong car to be in. You will hate it. It sucks. This is the only time the car feels like it lacks low end grunt. Engine gets heatsoaked and below 2.5 RPM, it is awful.
      Awesome post. I can tell you have owned it through a few hot summers. Spot on with the comments.

      Personally, I sacrifice the 99% of crappy traffic bumpy city driving for the 1% of open road twisties on the weekend.

      Also, having a smaller trunk will help you save money by not buying unnecessary crap at stores all the time. S2000 will also help you stay on a diet because if you put a few pounds on, the cockpit starts to close in on you.

    17. 08-16-2012 07:23 PM #122
      Quote Originally Posted by I_like_waffles View Post
      S2000 because they can go 200,000 miles before the tiniest thing has to be replaced.

      Take the MK4 and by that mileage you will have replaced the entire car
      The AP1 models chew up the retainers.

      AP1 and AP2 have self eating convertable tops.

      Both models have issues with rear bearings wearing out.

      AP1 sucks oil and crunches gears.

      I won't say "made of glass", but the AP1 didn't have the beefiest drivetrain. The clutch sucks on both models.

      S2000 is not a 1995 Civic DX that will "run forever". It was produced on a small scale and it has some flaws.

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      08-16-2012 07:28 PM #123
      I am the orginal owner of my R32, It has been my Daily for the Last 8 years, and I will say that this every day this R32 still puts a smile on my Face. Yes I have had to replace the clutch, sway bar links, brake pads, rotors, suspension, God knows what I have replaced on it. But...it is called wear and tear.

      although I Have never driven the S2000, but I am sure it is def a Track machine.

      Good on your decision.
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      08-16-2012 07:53 PM #124
      Quote Originally Posted by Dave Zero View Post
      The AP1 models chew up the retainers.

      AP1 and AP2 have self eating convertable tops.

      Both models have issues with rear bearings wearing out.

      AP1 sucks oil and crunches gears.

      I won't say "made of glass", but the AP1 didn't have the beefiest drivetrain. The clutch sucks on both models.

      S2000 is not a 1995 Civic DX that will "run forever". It was produced on a small scale and it has some flaws.
      i have an original top (now 10 years old). my retainers are fine, they're only chewed up if YOU or the DRIVER made a mistake and mechanically over-revved it. 63k on mine now. only thing ever replaced was a clutch master cylinder. my ap1 does crunch gears if you're being a fool or its cold. it uses less than 1qt/3k miles (i check every fill-up). the stock clutch has been fine, it doesn't take to turbo/supercharger upgrades without beefing up though. it does need regular maintenance more than a civic DX, but for its performance level, its pretty easy on the wallet. i'd say cheaper than any VW product I've owned (and yes, i've owned at least 3...including a mk.iv).
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      AP1 S2000? I can not in good conscience talk you out of that. May your slip angle be great and your bed not be the couch!

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      08-16-2012 08:11 PM #125
      I've already owned an S2000 and currently have a NB Miata as my DD, so the R32 as a weekend car, or maybe alternate DD to my Miata would be nice.

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      08-16-2012 08:36 PM #126
      It's funny, I have actually heard several reports from well respected owners on s2ki saying the car actually drives more stable with less rear toe in (closer to 0), which would negate a majority of the premature tire wear.

      Anyway, the car is like a Civic maintenance wise except it needs diff fluid every 20 - 30K, burns a little oil (although I have a freak that does not burn any oil) can wear soft tops where the metal rubs, and chews through rear tires if you have toe in.

      I love reading people comment about this car that have never driven it, or have a little experience, it cracks me up. I think that is what keeps me coming back.


      Feels like a Civic DX below 6K is my favorite, love it! Except for the shifter,, the xenons, the gearing, the seats, the sound, the driving position, the steering, the powered wheels, the clutch, oh yes, just like a Civic DX.

      By this logic, driving a Ferrari 360 below 5000 RPM is like a driving a Jeep Grand Cherokee. Only on the interwebs.
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      08-16-2012 08:44 PM #127
      I would actually love to own both. I would probably daily R and enjoy S on a nice sunny day.
      I dont get why the same individuals go out of their way to bash VW. We get it, you hate the brand.
      Even funnier the die hard S defender never set in the car, nor did they ever own a VW. Their parents hand them a ****ty american wagon, then the wife made them buy a Camry or Prius.

      Unfortunately both cars are getting extincted. Ricers and dubbers are killing these cars by the minute.
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      08-16-2012 09:50 PM #128
      Nah...there are plenty of clean Mk4 R32 out there. Many of them with low miles as well.

      (Just don't bitch about the price)
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      08-16-2012 09:51 PM #129
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      08-16-2012 11:23 PM #130
      Quote Originally Posted by PowerDubs View Post
      That sounds awesome.

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      08-16-2012 11:44 PM #131
      S2000 by a goddamned country mile.
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      08-16-2012 11:47 PM #132
      Quote Originally Posted by Mosbius Designs View Post
      S2000 by a goddamned country mile.
      That's quite a bit more than them city miles, that's for darn tootin' sure!
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      08-17-2012 12:17 AM #133
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      That's quite a bit more than them city miles, that's for darn tootin' sure!
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      08-17-2012 12:33 AM #134
      Quote Originally Posted by Mosbius Designs View Post
      S2000 by a goddamned country mile.
      When are you selling your gti?

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      08-17-2012 12:48 AM #135
      I just wish I had $15k.
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      08-17-2012 12:50 AM #136
      Quote Originally Posted by Iroczgirl View Post
      I just wish I had $15k.
      Best reply in the whole thread.

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      08-17-2012 12:54 AM #137
      Quote Originally Posted by Dave Zero View Post
      The AP1 models chew up the retainers.

      AP1 and AP2 have self eating convertable tops.

      Both models have issues with rear bearings wearing out.

      AP1 sucks oil and crunches gears.

      I won't say "made of glass", but the AP1 didn't have the beefiest drivetrain. The clutch sucks on both models.

      S2000 is not a 1995 Civic DX that will "run forever". It was produced on a small scale and it has some flaws.
      Replace the straps with the one's from modifry and you won't have that convertible top problem.

      I have an 05. Only issue is annoying clutch buzz. And the drive train is glass if you add anymore power to the equation. Aside from that it's pretty trouble free.

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      08-17-2012 01:27 AM #138
      Remember if you buy a s2000 you will have to own a honda.
      I say 15k get a bmw M Coupe aka shoe box, small like s2000 hatch like r32 solved.
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      08-17-2012 01:47 AM #139
      R32 because Mk4.
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      Quote Originally Posted by flytech78 View Post
      Remember if you buy a s2000 you will have to own a honda.
      I say 15k get a bmw M Coupe aka shoe box, small like s2000 hatch like r32 solved.
      http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-s...24008397&Log=0
      They're very small hatches. Not very practical. And somewhat unreliable.
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