Sometimes I wish polls were defaulted to show who voted for what
Really wish I was 2 inches shorter so I could fit in an S2k though... I test drove one 5-6 years ago and my knees were jammed under the steering wheel. Made it difficult to shift gears and steer, and the sales guy looked at me like but oh man it was fun to drive.. le sigh.
As soon as daily driver comes in to the eqaution it can only be the R32. I test drove an S2000 and in heavy traffic it was by far the least fun to drive car that I have ever driven. Constantly rowwing the gears and getting smoked by milk trucks off the line. On the back roads or at a track day event the car would be a blast but due to the DD in the OP's statement I have to side with the R. Plus I've always wanted the R.
I've had both a 2002 S2000 and a OEM+ 2004 GTI 1.8t... and although not an R32, the usage and reliability still applies...
Given the budget I voted for the S2000, simply because I think you'd get a more reliable, more fun to drive car based on the prices of those two cars here (Northern California). Most R32's in that price range, in this area, are high mileage... something that I would not want in any VW.
That said, if we are talking hypotheticals here, and mileage and year are the same, I would pick the R32. I'm 6'2", 175lbs, and even with modified seat rails and a hard top, I never fit well in the S2000. It drives like a go-kart, like it was designed to be... but it also rides like a go-kart, and that got old, especially during the morning commute. Some people will tell you that they can get a trunk full of small crap in a small car and that's supposed to be impressive... well try getting anything larger than a 12 pack of beer in it and then come talk to me. Yes, you can go to the store with it, but you have to be crafty with everything you buy... every... time... Also, like someone else already said, the powerplant leaves much to be desired when not driving the wheels off of it. One time, I distinctly remember thinking about how many shifts it took for me to accelerate to 45 mph while next to an Accord that seemed to effortlessly float to the same speed. If you're not pushing it to the v-tech line, it's essentially a dx civic. The S2000 makes an amazing car as a second vehicle, and if that was an option for me, mine would still be in the garage.
The R32 is pretty much the best of all worlds. It's relatively quick, handles decently, can move a small apartment with one, and it has a rare quality that is always redeeming. It doesn't do any one thing really well, but it's a good all around GT car for those of us with lives outside of "track days". Not that it would be my first choice of car in this contest, but given your choices, this is how I see it.
Last edited by jayownz; 08-15-2012 at 02:33 PM.
I'm not Ayrton Senna, so i'm not going for any lap records. Yeah the R32 is no where near as nimble but it doesn't mean it's any less fun. For smiles per gallon I'd take the R32 every day. The noise and torque curve is enough to win me over. For a daily, that occasionally sees a track it wins in my book.
Now put a 3.2 VR, or hell a 3.6VR since externally the block is the same, in an S2000 and then it's interesting
3.2/3.6 liter engine, that's only the length of an i4 and sits completely behind the front suspension in a RWD chassis? Yea, count me in!
S2k drives awesome but if you're tracking it then you need to factor in the hassle of a real roll bar and meeting the broomstick test. If you're long in the torso you might not be able to pass the broomstick test in a S2000 without making some mods, perhaps even more so than just racing bucket seats bolted straight to the floor.
Oh and maybe be a gentlemen and tone it down a bit... I know it's the internet, but come on...
S2000 Engine weighs in at ~325lbs. It's documented that it's not a very light 4 pot by any means.
The VR in 3.2 form weighs in at ~375lbs. 50lbs is hardly something to write home about when 1 is an iron block and the other 1 aluminum. I'm sure the 3.6 isn't much different, considering like i said the blocks have identical footprints.
Mind you, with assorted accessories removed or added when modding a factory s2000, or swapping in a VR6 and running standalone; I'm willing to bet the weight balance will remain unscathed. Or even if it changes, it wouldn't be anything that couldn't be remedied with simple tuning of the suspension.
Not only that, but the VR is probably shorter than the 4pot as well, so the weight balance would be further off the front wheels.
It's the guys who are swapping in 2JZs that you should be getting sick about. The motor is very long for the chassis.
The idea of a 3.6 that sounds awesome making 300hp/300tq in a small RWD platform is definitely awesome in my head. I'm sorry you think otherwise
People who voted Golf are pointing out the fact that the OP wanted something for daily use. Below is more like how it's really happening
People considering his practical requirements for the Golf
TCLers and their anti VW sentiment for the S2000
Taking your seat out to just fit one tire does not make it practical. Again, I've owned an S2000 and an R32 and would take an S2000 any day for performance. But not for daily duty.
Last edited by MFactor; 08-15-2012 at 03:24 PM.
(Although the .:R would be extremly fun in the snow) Yes i wrote .:R again
Last edited by 89VWdieselGolf; 08-15-2012 at 03:42 PM.
2001 Golf TDI
2004 Passat 1.8T
1997 A4 1.8TQ
1990 Golf ABA Turbo -SOLD