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      08-17-2012 04:36 PM #71
      Tazer seems like the better option for sure.. but you can't always make the best call in the amount of time the officer had to react. I'm sure he'll feel pretty damn ****ty about it regardless. Especially if he confronted the owner about it afterwards.
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      08-17-2012 04:38 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
      And which media jumped all over it? Gawker.
      A lot of different media outlets covered this story in NY, it wasn't just gawker...

      This story was circulating throughout my office the other day and this was the first time i've ever heard of gawker.

      I hope the owner and dog make a full recovery

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      08-17-2012 10:07 PM #74
      Jesus Christ, those two screaming and crying women are so f***ing annoying.

      I love dogs but I'm with the police officer on this one. The shooting was completely justified.
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      08-17-2012 11:17 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by ABAcabby View Post
      Tazer seems like the better option for sure.. but you can't always make the best call in the amount of time the officer had to react. I'm sure he'll feel pretty damn ****ty about it regardless. Especially if he confronted the owner about it afterwards.
      But what are you going to do, keep tazing the dog to keep it down? Tie up an officer doing nothing but keeping the dog restrained? Either one of those options would have people screaming about it too.
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      There is an area of a normal brain that lets the owner know the object works and needs to be left alone. Not all of us have it. It is like being colorblind.

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      08-17-2012 11:18 PM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by turbinepowered View Post
      But what are you going to do, keep tazing the dog to keep it down? Tie up an officer doing nothing but keeping the dog restrained? Either one of those options would have people screaming about it too.
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      08-17-2012 11:31 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkEnergist View Post
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      Quote Originally Posted by zukiphile View Post
      There is an area of a normal brain that lets the owner know the object works and needs to be left alone. Not all of us have it. It is like being colorblind.

    8. 08-17-2012 11:32 PM #78
      I wouldn't call that brutal...I'm with the cops on this for sure

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      08-17-2012 11:40 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by turbinepowered View Post
      But what are you going to do, keep tazing the dog to keep it down? Tie up an officer doing nothing but keeping the dog restrained? Either one of those options would have people screaming about it too.
      Pawcuffs?

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      08-17-2012 11:43 PM #80
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      Pawcuffs?
      That just sounds kinky. Especially coupled with the "STOP RESISTING" statement earlier.
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      There is an area of a normal brain that lets the owner know the object works and needs to be left alone. Not all of us have it. It is like being colorblind.

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      08-18-2012 03:06 AM #81
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      I just frustrates the hell outta me seeing how quickly we bash LEO. Sure some may not be perfect but trade jobs with them - even for a week and see how it changes you. With LEO friends it's not easy.
      They should be under harsh scrutiny. When any one person in a society is given as much power as they have, a very close eye should be kept on them.

      I won't even state my opinion on the issue of guns or pit bulls because I've seen the herd mentality in here.

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      Quote Originally Posted by s-rocc View Post
      I won't even state my opinion on the issue of guns or pit bulls because I've seen the herd mentality in here.
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      08-18-2012 03:37 AM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by s-rocc View Post
      They should be under harsh scrutiny. When any one person in a society is given as much power as they have, a very close eye should be kept on them.

      I won't even state my opinion on the issue of guns or pit bulls because I've seen the herd mentality in here.
      Scrutiny and bashing are two very different things.

      I'd have shot that pit bull more than once if it charged me. It wouldn't feel a bit of guilt either as the owner should have had it securely leashed. Securely. That dog still should have been strapped to the owner even during the seizure. In that case it would have been easy to subdue the dog. Because of the owner's negligence, the dog was shot.

      Someone else mentioned tazing the dog. There are plenty of videos and new stories about officers getting bit while and after tazing pit bulls. Knowing that, I wouldn't screw with the tazer if I'm at risk of getting bit. I don't care if it's a dog or a human, if you are about to make me bleed, I'll shoot if I have a gun.
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    14. 08-18-2012 04:52 AM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by ABAcabby View Post
      Tazer seems like the better option for sure.. but you can't always make the best call in the amount of time the officer had to react. I'm sure he'll feel pretty damn ****ty about it regardless. Especially if he confronted the owner about it afterwards.
      Not all NYPD officers carry tazers, only sergeants do.
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      08-18-2012 11:11 AM #85
      I don't have anything against what the cops did, dog charges at an officer policy is to shoot.

      However, I myself would likely have kicked it or whatnot. I'm not afraid of dogs.

      If I saw an animal writhing in pain I would shoot it to put it out of its misery though.

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      08-18-2012 02:45 PM #87
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      08-18-2012 03:04 PM #88
      Worth a read, apparently the PitBull had been known by other local hobos to attack.

      http://eastvillage.thelocal.nytimes....the-aftermath/

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      08-18-2012 03:27 PM #89
      Street bum with pitbull with a history of attacking people. The cop should get a medal.

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      08-18-2012 06:33 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam144 View Post
      Worth a read, apparently the PitBull had been known by other local hobos to attack.

      http://eastvillage.thelocal.nytimes....the-aftermath/

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      But Ms. McSweeney had her fair share of complaints about Star.

      “She’s bitten a bunch of our friends,” she said. “But now the first time it bites a yuppie, they shoot it? It shows that they’re not really there to protect and serve. They just protect and serve the rich.”

      Mr. Verna, who owns a six-year-old pit bull named Kilo, said police wouldn’t have shot the dog if it belonged to a wealthy person. He looked at Kilo, whom he said he rescued from a fighting ring in Detroit, and stroked the fur on her head.

      “She’s my little lady,” he said. “I love her so much.”
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      08-18-2012 06:44 PM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by Adam144 View Post
      Worth a read, apparently the PitBull had been known by other local hobos to attack.

      http://eastvillage.thelocal.nytimes....the-aftermath/
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      08-18-2012 07:16 PM #92
      Quote Originally Posted by Ernie McCracken View Post
      Genuine thanks for keeping your ignorance to yourself.
      Ignorance is not the word. As the owner of a pitbull who is the owner of an assault rifle, i am pretty well versed in both subjects.

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      08-18-2012 07:21 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by s-rocc View Post
      Ignorance is not the word. As the owner of a pitbull who is the owner of an assault rifle, i am pretty well versed in both subjects.
      You own a pitbull that owns owns an assault rifle? Why don't you just join al-Qaeda already if you love WMDs so much?
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      08-18-2012 08:22 PM #94
      Quote Originally Posted by Art Tickle View Post
      Mr. Verna, who owns a six-year-old pit bull named Kilo, said police wouldn’t have shot the dog if it belonged to a wealthy person.
      There's a mayor in Pee-Gee County MD that disagrees with her.
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      08-18-2012 08:57 PM #95
      Mr. Verna, who owns a six-year-old pit bull named Kilo, said police wouldn’t have shot the dog if it belonged to a wealthy person.
      Quote Originally Posted by Surf Green View Post
      There's a mayor in Pee-Gee County MD that disagrees with her.
      Yeah, I don't think they stop to check wallets and credit score before they shoot a dog attacking them.

      That said, I imagine a wealthier person would likely have at least afforded some basic obedience training, and that might just have prevented the dog going nutso without an owner. Possibly a wealthier person's dog might be less stressed as a matter of course, also possibly preventing the scenario.
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      08-18-2012 09:11 PM #96
      Wealthy people tend to own those little rat-dogs that are more annoying than dangerous.
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      08-18-2012 09:35 PM #97
      So this dog had an abusive previous owner, and a current owner that was known to be on drugs and pass out frequently.


      Totally the dog's fault. Totally.
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      08-18-2012 09:56 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkEnergist View Post
      So this dog had an abusive previous owner, and a current owner that was known to be on drugs and pass out frequently.


      Totally the dog's fault. Totally.
      But dude, not all cops are pr*cks.

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      08-18-2012 10:12 PM #99
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkEnergist View Post
      So this dog had an abusive previous owner, and a current owner that was known to be on drugs and pass out frequently.


      Totally the dog's fault. Totally.
      There are tons of pitbull mix dogs in that sort of situation. You rarely see pitbulls in the 'burbs or rural areas because your homeowners insurance will get cancelled if you own one and your insurance company won't cover you if you have one and get sued for a dog attack. The people who own them don't own homes so you're mostly talking urban and poor. Those aren't typically the kind of people who make for good dog owners. The dog is cooped up in a room of an apartment all day. It doesn't get trained or socialized. Ghetto thugs with pants down at their knees, gold chains, and hat backwards aren't going to have a Golden Retriever. They go with a dog bred to fight and kill.

      It's not the dog's fault but it's certainly the breed's fault. I certainly can't blame any cop for shooting a pit mix that comes at them.

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      08-18-2012 11:47 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by turbinepowered View Post
      Yeah, I don't think they stop to check wallets and credit score before they shoot a dog attacking them.

      That said, I imagine a wealthier person would likely have at least afforded some basic obedience training, and that might just have prevented the dog going nutso without an owner. Possibly a wealthier person's dog might be less stressed as a matter of course, also possibly preventing the scenario.
      Also, wealthy people tend to avoid potential lawsuits, like owning aggressive abused dogs that like to attack people.

      I find it interesting that the homeless people in that article consider NYPD officers to be yuppies.

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      People hate the police until they need them
      /thread... another thread about how sh*tty cops are. Its nice to know some of you folks sit back in your office chairs and go about the drudgery of a nice stable emotionless job...

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      Quote Originally Posted by ABAcabby View Post
      Tazer seems like the better option for sure.. but you can't always make the best call in the amount of time the officer had to react. I'm sure he'll feel pretty damn ****ty about it regardless. Especially if he confronted the owner about it afterwards.
      as an LEO i'm gonna say this... if I'm called to your house and your dog growls/takes an aggressive stance at me and then sprints in my general direction (although the totality of the circumstances will dictacte an officer's actions)... its catching a bullet, Pitbull or Chihuahua. As for the those who suggested a taser... Tasers require a minimum distance for an effective spread of the probes. At the time it took for him to unholster and fire (which was damn respectable) the taser would have had a 1 inch spread. Would probably do nothing but piss it off. As a person who has been tasered I'm gonna say it will cause a stinging sensation and not much else. Also a drive stun will not do it because it will have a comparably ineffective spread. And then theres the possibility of the taser probes missing altogether... People think tasers are the end-all in less-than-lethal equipment but to be honest I've saw them fail just as often as work.

      Example:


      After shooting poochy I'm pretty sure I'd go home and have some coping to do though...
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      08-19-2012 02:11 AM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by PrimaVW View Post
      as an LEO i'm gonna say this... if I'm called to your house and your dog growls/takes an aggressive stance at me and then sprints in my general direction... its catching a bullet,
      and this is why police aren't allowed in my house.

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      08-19-2012 02:15 AM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by s-rocc View Post
      and this is why police aren't allowed in my house.
      I added a bit there, but you're saying a reasonable person should allow the dog to attack?
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      08-19-2012 02:24 AM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by PrimaVW View Post
      I added a bit there, but you're saying a reasonable person should allow the dog to attack?
      no. i'm saying if the police come to my house, i take them outside. i am well aware of probable cause and the bill of rights.

      so we can have our chat outside.

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