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    Thread: News: Brutal Video of the NYPD Shooting a Dog Trying to Protect Her Owner

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      08-17-2012 09:02 AM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by vwmaniac16vr6 View Post
      So shoot the dog because an unleashed pitbull in the city is clearly very vicious and must have a terrible temperment ... give me a break all dogs run around but because its a pit it lunged at him. Dog didnt bit anyone its a shame nobody grabbed the dog before it was shot for being a dog
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      08-17-2012 09:05 AM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by joness0154 View Post
      Not sure who taught your course, but basic first aid for a seizure patient lying down is to turn their body or head to the side and continue to do so until the seizure is over. That dude on the ground was in the worst possible position on his back.
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      I'm sure you're right. It even makes sense...but the first thing you are really supposed to do is not make anything worse. POs are not trained medics. They aren't, period. Their greatest help will be making the call for trained pros, not trying to recall training that they don't use very often and might f-up.
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      08-17-2012 09:06 AM #53
      Don't they have to tell the dog to STOP RESISTING first?
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      08-17-2012 09:10 AM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by ATL_Av8r View Post
      Don't they have to tell the dog to STOP RESISTING first?
      I spat out my coffee. Thanks.

      I have "STOP RESISTING!" permanently ingrained...i immediately picture some drunk bastard on the ground with five cops piled on top cuffing him while he drools on the ground.
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      08-17-2012 09:15 AM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by vwmaniac16vr6 View Post
      So shoot the dog because an unleashed pitbull in the city is clearly very vicious and must have a terrible temperment ... give me a break all dogs run around but because its a pit it lunged at him. Dog didnt bit anyone its a shame nobody grabbed the dog before it was shot for being a dog
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      08-17-2012 09:20 AM #56
      It's sad but I understand why the cop shot the dog. Glad there is still a chance for it to recover.
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      08-17-2012 09:23 AM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by Tornado2dr View Post
      I'm sure you're right. It even makes sense...but the first thing you are really supposed to do is not make anything worse. POs are not trained medics. They aren't, period.
      There's a difference in being a Certified First Responder (which all NYPD officers should be) and a Medic/EMT, which no one expects them to be.

      I'm Certified in CPR, AED, First Aid, Blood Born Pathogens, and a couple other things based on the hazards and often remote location of my work. I'm probably not trained up to First Responder Level, but dealing with a seizure is something that I've been trained to do.

      You can't tell me that nobody thought to put a rolled up shirt/coat/blanket under his head, or, at the very least something soft (like his backpak) between him and the metal pole?
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      08-17-2012 09:26 AM #58
      "OH MY GAWD! DEY SHOTS DA DOGGIE! DEY SHOTS DA DOGGIE! WHATS DA DOGGIE DO? WHY YOU DO DAT TA HIM?"- Loud Idiot Lady

      The lady speaking at the end with,"I'm calling the media" and "....even if that dog bit somebody, why you going to shoot?"

      Is logical thinking elevated to an art form these days?

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      08-17-2012 09:35 AM #59
      I'm still impressed how quick that cop unholstered and shot the dog. He should get an achievement medal for that.
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      08-17-2012 09:37 AM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by worth_fixing View Post
      ...cause the dog was going to kill him? Isn't that what his tazer is for?
      Kill? Probably not. Bite? Most likely. Did the dog lung at a pedestrian before turning back to the cops? Yes.
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      08-17-2012 09:57 AM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by Surf Green View Post
      You can't tell me that nobody thought to put a rolled up shirt/coat/blanket under his head, or, at the very least something soft (like his backpak) between him and the metal pole?
      im sure the cops or a bystander would've done that if the dog wasn't present at the scene. but after the cop took the shot, his concern was probably that he had fired his weapon, there was a yelping dog at his feet and a growing crowd of yelling people. who knows what happened after the video cut out and the scene was a bit more controlled.

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      08-17-2012 10:05 AM #62
      I just frustrates the hell outta me seeing how quickly we bash LEO. Sure some may not be perfect but trade jobs with them - even for a week and see how it changes you. With LEO friends it's not easy.

      Now for this situation, since there was a scene developing and probably due to the type of dog NYPD was prepared "just in case", yes as dog owner it's hard to watch/listen, but I fulled expected the officer to do... what he did.

      - Oh to add, every idiot (myself included) has a damn camera phone and too many are too quick to judge and play armchair quarterback. Real life happens in a flash.
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      08-17-2012 10:16 AM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkEnergist View Post
      Kill? Probably not. Bite? Most likely. Did the dog lung at a pedestrian before turning back to the cops? Yes.
      Right. It's not the cops job to get bitten by a dog and he has a gun for a reason. This isn't like self-defense from a human where he needs to feel his life is in danger to justify lethal force.
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      08-17-2012 10:24 AM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by GodSquadMandrake View Post
      Right. It's not the cops job to get bitten by a dog and he has a gun for a reason. This isn't like self-defense from a human where he needs to feel his life is in danger to justify lethal force.
      It's the nature of the beast and totally agree
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      08-17-2012 12:21 PM #65
      this seems okay to me because the dop lunged at the officer, and the officer shot only once. I cannot see how this would have ended any better given the circumstances. it is sad to see an animal get shot, but at least I can see the dog is doing alright at least.

      i am curious as to what the owner has said about the incident though....

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      08-17-2012 01:35 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by GodSquadMandrake View Post
      I'm still impressed how quick that cop unholstered and shot the dog. He should get an achievement medal for that.
      After watching the video a few times more, I'm thinking the cop approached the dog since it was sort of "attacking" a bystander. I'm guessing then he was anticipating the dog to turn and come at him, which is why he was ready to use force.
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    17. 08-17-2012 01:42 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by bmann View Post
      After watching the video a few times more, I'm thinking the cop approached the dog since it was sort of "attacking" a bystander. I'm guessing then he was anticipating the dog to turn and come at him, which is why he was ready to use force.
      He saw the dog attack another bystander, so he knew the dog meant business, so when he advanced the dog turned and bam. Quick reaction if you ask me.

      Knowing me, I'd probably kick it first.

    18. 08-17-2012 01:50 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by Funkatollah Insaney View Post
      "OH MY GAWD! DEY SHOTS DA DOGGIE! DEY SHOTS DA DOGGIE! WHATS DA DOGGIE DO? WHY YOU DO DAT TA HIM?"- Loud Idiot Lady

      I thought that only happened on Youtube where every video featuring an animal is somehow decried as animal abuse. This is the least controversial cop video I've ever seen.

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      08-17-2012 03:14 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by Funkatollah Insaney View Post
      "OH MY GAWD! DEY SHOTS DA DOGGIE! DEY SHOTS DA DOGGIE! WHATS DA DOGGIE DO? WHY YOU DO DAT TA HIM?"- Loud Idiot Lady

      The lady speaking at the end with,"I'm calling the media" and "....even if that dog bit somebody, why you going to shoot?"

      Is logical thinking elevated to an art form these days?
      And which media jumped all over it? Gawker.
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      08-17-2012 03:25 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
      And which media jumped all over it? Gawker.
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      08-17-2012 03:36 PM #71
      Tazer seems like the better option for sure.. but you can't always make the best call in the amount of time the officer had to react. I'm sure he'll feel pretty damn ****ty about it regardless. Especially if he confronted the owner about it afterwards.
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      08-17-2012 03:38 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
      And which media jumped all over it? Gawker.
      A lot of different media outlets covered this story in NY, it wasn't just gawker...

      This story was circulating throughout my office the other day and this was the first time i've ever heard of gawker.

      I hope the owner and dog make a full recovery
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      Quote Originally Posted by ATL_Av8r View Post
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      08-17-2012 09:07 PM #74
      Jesus Christ, those two screaming and crying women are so f***ing annoying.

      I love dogs but I'm with the police officer on this one. The shooting was completely justified.
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      08-17-2012 10:17 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by ABAcabby View Post
      Tazer seems like the better option for sure.. but you can't always make the best call in the amount of time the officer had to react. I'm sure he'll feel pretty damn ****ty about it regardless. Especially if he confronted the owner about it afterwards.
      But what are you going to do, keep tazing the dog to keep it down? Tie up an officer doing nothing but keeping the dog restrained? Either one of those options would have people screaming about it too.
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