Labs/pit bulls - it doesn't matter. I know both are capable of doing that type of damage. I'm not saying they wouldn't.
Edit: There are people who think that aggression towards small animals = aggression towards dogs = aggression towards people. They are all distinctly separate things. A dog that attacks a cat is not a dog who will necessarily attack a dog and is not dog who will necessarily attack a person.
The problem is that people bunch dogs into categories of either "friendly" or "not friendly". People who think pits should be held to different standards because one attacks a cat are wildly ignorant. On the flip side, pit owners who think they can leave their dogs unattended around small animals because their dog is great with people are wildly ignorant as well as being irresponsible owners --- and terrible for the breed. It sounds like you fall into the former group, while your friend's mom falls into the latter group, no?
Last edited by GTiTOM; 08-19-2012 at 08:39 PM.
If it gets loose and someone puts it down for charging at them, it's not their fault. Is yours. Hypothetically speaking, of course.
I was attacked by my ex-neighbor's 3 pitbulls in my front yard 10 feet from my front door one morning getting the mail. After trying to fend them off, being almost knocked to the ground and bit in two places on my hand, I pulled my CCW and fired at them point blank. I hit one in the front leg, almost severing it and pistol whipped another on the top of the head when it had my hand in its mouth. Even after being hit, all three kept coming back until my neighbor came out with a metal pitchfork and helped fend them off so I could get inside. One was put down due to leg injuries, the one I hit on the head turned into a paraplegic, with its back legs not working so well. The third was unharmed.
I would never wish this on anyone. I was just glad that it was not earlier when my wife was taking my two year daughter to daycare. The dog's owners blamed me for not running back into my house fast enough. We went to court and the judge nailed them with huge fines, ($1000 per year per dog to keep them) since they were now deemed dangerous. This was the fourth time their dogs had either chased someone or bit someone. The one that was euthanized had also inhaled their family cat three months prior.
I hear all these people defending the breed. Most are not taken care of properly by their owners and it transfers to the dogs. But human life is more important than a damn pitbull.
How many people defending pitbulls have actually been on the receiving end of an attack by a pitbull? And I am not talking your dog playfully charging you...... I mean an unknown dog or group of dogs chasing you and trying to knock you down. It will certainly change your view of pitbulls.
I have an 80 lb black lab/ weimeriner (sp.) that absolutely scares the hell out of some people walking in my neighborhood. I grew up with dogs and love them. He will not leave the unfenced yard without permission. If he charged someone and they shot him, I would be sad. But that is the way it works. People are not required to give a charging unleashed dog the benefit of the doubt. And the hell with their irresponsible owners also. Control your effing dog!
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And sorry, but again, as a gun owner with a conceal and carry license, I can't remember anywhere in any of the classroom/training that I had to go through that said I had the right to preemptively stop potentially dangerous situations because I fear that something might happen --- whether with people or pets.
"Ya, the dog was running and I wasn't sure if it was going to kill me or wanted me to throw the ball" isn't much different than "Ya, that guy was running at me and I wasn't sure if he was going to rob me or was out for a jog".
Last edited by GTiTOM; 08-19-2012 at 10:00 PM.
Would it not bother you if your dog attacked your cat? Or would you chalk it up to a one off instance? Would you put that dog down? Get that same breed over and over again?
To answer your question: I think it's simple human nature to think that way. Ignorance is different.
As someone said earlier, it would be great if the public were educatEd when it came to this and not ok with staying ignorant, but we all know that is t going to happen.
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I'm still unclear why you think dogs of any breed killing a cat is any indicator of anything besides it being a dog.
It's your dog. If you can't manage to properly secure your dog, you shouldn't have it.
And I'm not talking about a dog running = possibly attacking. Note the language I've consistently used here - charging directly at you.
Edit - To be fair, GeoffD's language was "if it comes at me," which can be interpreted differently. That could mean frollicking, or it could mean charging. I would think that, if he's saying he would shoot it, he's talking about it hypothetically charging him.
Last edited by Big M; 08-19-2012 at 10:44 PM.
For the sake of trying to have a civil discussion, I'll ignore your ad hominems where you repeatedly call me dumb.
But hey, I mean, as a gun owner, I can shoot a guy walking on my property because he might turn out to be there to kill me right? Oh, what's that, he worked for the electric company and was reading my meter? And now I'm going to jail? So in other words, I can't just make decisions based on poor information and fire off my gun and expect to get away with it?
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Last edited by GTiTOM; 08-19-2012 at 11:12 PM.
Great. People should stomp their feet and yell as they draw their guns. But if that doesn't work, shoot BEFORE the dog bites.And the vast majority of the time, even if it is being aggressive, a loud yell and a loud clap is all you need to get it to turn tail 15 feet from you.
Again, this is back to my original response: if someone shot MY dog because they THOUGHT she was attacking, they would be absolutely, 100% wrong. And if they are that bad at making decisions, they shouldn't have a gun. I'm not talking about actually being attacked by a dog and legitimately needing to defend your life.
Again, I'm not saying someone shouldn't be able to defend themselves against a dog attacking them. I'm saying that someone shouldn't be allowed to assume that any dog running towards them is actually attacking them. Just like owning a pit comes with extra responsibilities, so does owning a gun --- and one of those responsibilities is being 100% sure that you're justified in firing. And sorry, but "well, it was a pit bull and it was off leash" is not a justification.
Last edited by GTiTOM; 08-19-2012 at 11:11 PM.
I'm just waiting for you to explain the logic of why a dog killing a cat should make me rethink an entire breed? I'm honestly wondering why a dog killing a cat is anything more than a dog being a dog? Do you honestly think that prey drive and going after smaller animals of other species is a trait that's unique to pit bulls? Or that pits are the only dogs that will attack cats?
So I'll try again: Why should a dog killing a cat make me rethink an entire breed of dog? It's not a rhetorical question --- I'd appreciate a direct answer, since you posted that the situation should have that effect on me.
Last edited by GTiTOM; 08-19-2012 at 11:21 PM.
If you edited it in voices of people yelling "Ohmigod, someone help! she's going to kill him!" or "shoot him! shoot him!", then people would say this was an attack. Posters in this thread would literally say things like "if that pit was chasing my dog, I wouldn't have taken the chance --- i would have shot it before it snapped".
But clearly, as I've been trying to say, a dog chasing or running towards someone/something isn't inherently being aggressive -- and most of the time it's probably not.
Again, I'm not talking about being 100% certain that you're getting attacked. I'm talking about the people saying "Well, I don't know how to tell if a dog's attacking or not, so I'm going to assume it's attacking and shoot it".
And before the leash nazi shows up, this is not only a private beach, it was off-season and there were literally no other people besides us as far as the eye could see in either direction.
Last edited by GTiTOM; 08-19-2012 at 11:31 PM.
So to be clear, your answer is that it's human nature to judge an entire breed based one dogs proclivity to attack....cats? And you wouldn't want to be near my dog because I don't think it's necessarily concerning that a dog killed a cat?
When I clapped and stomped and yelled, they charged me with their heads down, barking and growling. The noise certainly did not deter them at all. Hell, being hit on the head and shot with a .45 only stopped them for about 15
Seconds before they came back. The only thing that stopped them was my neighbors coming out to help me.
I said that human life is more important then a dogs life.