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    1. Member jedge1.8t's Avatar
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      08-17-2012 01:47 PM #1
      I need to get some top end power in my TT, but im going to be keeping the KO4 for awhile.

      I got apr stage 1, TIP, TFSI coils, 3" downpipe to cutoff actuator(straight piped).

      Im stuck whether between a meth kit, E85 conversion or finish my stroker engine.
      (have supertech package, AEB head, oem lifters)

      Just want to know what would be a good pick so i can start beating at least a 09 civic Si at least this year
      Last edited by jedge1.8t; 08-17-2012 at 01:49 PM.
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      08-17-2012 02:05 PM #2
      Wow, those are three distinctively different paths

      Throw some water/meth on and get that thing dialed in. If you want a simple setup, just use a throttle body spacer. If you want an awesome setup, use 4 nozzles tapped into your intake manifold (See the Water/Meth FAQ for details)

      Then get it dialed! Good tuning is a huge factor in making power. It's not all about what hardware you have installed.

      ...

      In the background, keep working on your new engine. Sounds awesome.
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      08-17-2012 04:07 PM #3
      meth kit, downpipe and cutout install and custom CAI intake i guess are next on the to do list.

      I feel I should get rid of my APR ECU, im not really liking it. I want to run lemmiworks or something more hands on so i can adjust like eurodyne

      I wish this stuff was cheaper...
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      08-17-2012 04:14 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by jedge1.8t View Post
      meth kit, downpipe and cutout install and custom CAI intake i guess are next on the to do list.

      I feel I should get rid of my APR ECU, im not really liking it. I want to run lemmiworks or something more hands on so i can adjust like eurodyne

      I wish this stuff was cheaper...
      Go try Uni Settings. See if it'll read your ECU.
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      08-17-2012 06:17 PM #5
      UNITRONICS will read my ECU, but i have the narrowband, wouldn't the wideband be a better ECU to tune with?
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      08-17-2012 06:25 PM #6
      Quote Originally Posted by jedge1.8t View Post
      UNITRONICS will read my ECU, but i have the narrowband, wouldn't the wideband be a better ECU to tune with?
      It would...but you just added a lot more money to your project. I thought you wanted to keep the cost down on this.

      ..but ok, since you bought it up.

      I'd go to raceline, get a narrowband to wideband harness. Then get them to tune it with Uni Stg2

      While you're waiting for that upgrade your exhaust (including downpipe), intercooler, DV, and TIP. Fix any other issues and make sure your car is running perfect.

      Install the harness, swap in a new front wideband o2 sensor, install the ECU, and ensure the car is driving great. Be happy with this for a week or so to make sure everything is gravy.

      Then install the meth kit. Do direct port if you want to push it hard. Do a single post-TB sprayer if you don't want as much hassle.

      Then tune the hell out of it to maximize power.
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      08-17-2012 06:47 PM #7
      yeah looks like ill grab a wideband ECU conversion, then probably eurodynes kit with meth, software and boost manager. should be 1600 approx.

      the way i look at it - about 32 bucks per horse power.

      and then i want pss9s..... and FSI stroker... and gtx45.... and caractere kit... should of bought a ol skool
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      08-17-2012 07:15 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by jedge1.8t View Post
      yeah looks like ill grab a wideband ECU conversion, then probably eurodynes kit with meth, software and boost manager. should be 1600 approx.

      the way i look at it - about 32 bucks per horse power.

      and then i want pss9s..... and FSI stroker... and gtx45.... and caractere kit... should of bought a ol skool
      Good stuff.
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      08-17-2012 07:33 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by groggory View Post
      It would...but you just added a lot more money to your project. I thought you wanted to keep the cost down on this.

      ..but ok, since you bought it up.

      I'd go to raceline, get a narrowband to wideband harness. Then get them to tune it with Uni Stg2

      While you're waiting for that upgrade your exhaust (including downpipe), intercooler, DV, and TIP. Fix any other issues and make sure your car is running perfect.

      Install the harness, swap in a new front wideband o2 sensor, install the ECU, and ensure the car is driving great. Be happy with this for a week or so to make sure everything is gravy.

      Then install the meth kit. Do direct port if you want to push it hard. Do a single post-TB sprayer if you don't want as much hassle.

      Then tune the hell out of it to maximize power.
      good advice here
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      08-17-2012 08:33 PM #10
      instead of fillin your gas tank with premium fuel and keeping an eye on the w/m tank you could also just go e85 if its available... its like running 100 octane fuel. of course you would need a tune and injectors at a minimum. you should be able to run more boost and timing with that. and if you have a ko4 in there you should have absolutely no problem leaving a stock civic si in the dust, even with a regular old ko4 file.

      In my opinion w/m is great if you dont live near an e85 pump or dont want to pay ridiculous prices for race gas ($9+ a gallon for the cheap stuff)
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      08-17-2012 08:41 PM #11
      And easy access to e85
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      08-18-2012 01:19 AM #12
      E85 is 3 miles from nearest pump, but i really like the fact i can pass smog no issues and have race gas.

      I like the METH and Eurodyne route which is the one i will probably take, but this will give me opportunitys in the future for more power

      And then theres this stroker I have pretty much the top end done, Supertech, AEB head, OEM lifters.I really wanna just slap that baby on, and see if a high revving AEB head will give my KO4 top end i been looking for.

      but i know a 2.0 stroker would be worth the patience.

      As of now i got a downpipe and switch path pipe to install and a wideband ME7 w/ harness to find
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      08-18-2012 01:24 AM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by jedge1.8t View Post
      E85 is 3 miles from nearest pump, but i really like the fact i can pass smog no issues and have race gas.

      I like the METH and Eurodyne route which is the one i will probably take, but this will give me opportunitys in the future for more power

      And then theres this stroker I have pretty much the top end done, Supertech, AEB head, OEM lifters.I really wanna just slap that baby on, and see if a high revving AEB head will give my KO4 top end i been looking for.

      but i know a 2.0 stroker would be worth the patience.

      As of now i got a downpipe and switch path pipe to install and a wideband ME7 w/ harness to find
      2.0l will make your k04 run out of steam faster. you need a larger turbo if you are looking for top end. you wont be doing any high revving with a k04, not efficiently anyways
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      08-18-2012 01:35 AM #14
      darn.






      gtx45, ha who wants to sell me one cheap????
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      08-18-2012 01:43 AM #15
      Quote Originally Posted by jedge1.8t View Post
      darn.





      gtx45, ha who wants to sell me one cheap????
      start with something like a gt3071r
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      08-18-2012 04:06 AM #16
      70mm, ha im a longgg longgg ways away from getting any GT turbo. goal right now is to hang with my friends track Z with bolt ons then I will BT
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      08-18-2012 11:27 AM #17
      put on a F23 franketurbo kit. get a fmic setup, 3 full 3" exhaust, get the unitronic frankturbo tune and be happy. save the aeb stuff for later
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      08-18-2012 12:41 PM #18
      I love the F23, but since i have a stroker top half done, i dont see why i should hesitate my plans on it to get a quick push, i want a big shuv. already got the 3" Downpipe, and i got a cutoff that will switch it out to straight pipe behind my passenger wheel with a flip of a switch. Still need it fabbed up and installed though.

      right now im focused on all the little bolt ons that will maximize a BT and stroker, while benefiting stock

      FMIC might come first actually since i spotted a few for around 400

      but after that it will be the ME7.5 wideband, meth and boost manager kit from eurodyne - 1600
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      08-18-2012 04:56 PM #19
      If you have Apr you can have whoever flashed it add V-tune. It's a free addition that Apr has where you can modify the program within reason. That's how I plan on doing my e85 tuning and be able to run 91 as well.

      http://www.goapr.com/products/vtune.html

      It's kinda cool there are some stuff worth messing with once you go meth or e85. And it says your in rocklin as in rocklin ca as in by roseville? If you I work at valley motorwerks in rancho cordova you should come by and take a look at the intercooler
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      08-18-2012 11:23 PM #20
      APR is kinda stuck on there products, nothing wrong with them but once you wanna go Big BIG turbo, i dont think there much help

      I do though in fac tlive in CA, roseville

      and good stuff, ill have to stop by when im at those wrecking yards.
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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      08-19-2012 01:10 PM #21
      Yeah I'm not that big of a fan of Apr either but let's just say I got it for a really really good deal. But yeah come stop by were on white rock right off sunrise. We mostly do BMW mini but were just getting into Vw Audi. Actually that's why I'm there.
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      08-19-2012 01:32 PM #22
      pff lucky, if they need any more VW audi guys let me know, I got the 1.8t and vr6, 2.7t engines on lock.
      Tell me how my 01 Audi TT (with a smaller stock engine, and heavier curb weight) walks a 02 WRX wagon...?

      Cause its an Audi.

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