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    Thread: What do I gain with these parts?

    1. Member alwaysdutch's Avatar
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      08-18-2012 12:13 AM #1
      I am planning to get the following parts over the coming month or so, and i was wondering if someone could tell me what my gain would be in HP, torque, 0-60 time.

      I am talking about simple things here, no turbo:

      - CAI (carbonio or other)
      - UM software
      - RAI test pipe with cat
      - BFI motor mount (no HP)

      Maybe I just end up with just more pleasant ride without real HP gain. Any other parts for ideas are welcome
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      08-18-2012 08:57 AM #2
      Well the biggest thing you will noticed is the throttle response (the tune gets rid of accel and deccel lag) and a little increase in sound. I know when I got my intake on i hear a lot more sound, you won't noticed much with the catted test pipe. If you are lucky, you'll see +15HP and +20ft*lb. I think this are high as you will still have a cat especially since it's the 150hp motor and not the 170hp. No matter what you do without a turbo (and N02 technically) it will never make very much power... for all intensive purposes, your 0-60 time won't change.
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      08-18-2012 01:03 PM #3
      The motor mount will make the car feel much more lively.

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      08-18-2012 03:16 PM #4
      Actually, I do have the '08 CBTA engine that I put in last year.... . I just want to replace the old ECU with the CBTA version.
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      08-18-2012 04:42 PM #5
      Quote Originally Posted by Anile_eight View Post
      for all intensive purposes
      I think you mean, "for all intents and purposes"

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      08-18-2012 07:51 PM #6
      If I remember correctly from UM's dyno chart, their tune alone puts down 167whp and 195wtq. Add an intake and an exhaust, I would guess at about 175whp. Right now I have UM tune, BFI mounts and a Carbonio (ECS underdrive pulley soon), but I've never dyno'd to see what I actually put down.

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      08-19-2012 10:24 PM #7
      Quote Originally Posted by Anile_eight View Post
      Well the biggest thing you will noticed is the throttle response (the tune gets rid of accel and deccel lag) and a little increase in sound. I know when I got my intake on i hear a lot more sound, you won't noticed much with the catted test pipe. If you are lucky, you'll see +15HP and +20ft*lb. I think this are high as you will still have a cat especially since it's the 150hp motor and not the 170hp. No matter what you do without a turbo (and N02 technically) it will never make very much power... for all intensive purposes, your 0-60 time won't change.
      You know the motors are basically the same mechanically and power wise, the difference is ecu and cam timing abilities for emissions compliance. Power between the two is just a difference on paper, they put the same to the wheels
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      08-20-2012 01:05 PM #8
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaglx91 View Post
      You know the motors are basically the same mechanically and power wise, the difference is ecu and cam timing abilities for emissions compliance. Power between the two is just a difference on paper, they put the same to the wheels
      how can they put the same to the wheels if they are different on paper?

      Quote Originally Posted by alwaysdutch View Post
      Actually, I do have the '08 CBTA engine that I put in last year.... . I just want to replace the old ECU with the CBTA version.
      Can you just swap out the ecu?...


      Quote Originally Posted by deesul View Post
      I think you mean, "for all intents and purposes"
      lol and yes haha
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      08-20-2012 01:39 PM #9
      Quote Originally Posted by Anile_eight View Post
      how can they put the same to the wheels if they are different on paper?
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      lol and yes haha
      There are tons of threads on the 07-08 differences.

      I had no idea that's how it was said either.

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      08-20-2012 01:54 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by itskohler View Post
      There are tons of threads on the 07-08 differences.

      I had no idea that's how it was said either.
      I will see if I can find some info. I am afraid of my timing chain and if it goes I'll swap in 08+ but still.. lol
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      08-20-2012 04:49 PM #11
      Im going to guess around 20 more hp with those mods. I have a 2010 golf 2.5 mt and did 167whp 165tq on a dyno dynamics with cai, unitronic, usp catted midpipe and gti catback and dogbone insert. figuring in 15% loss I probably make around low 190's at the crank although I dont have a base dyno figure so im not sure about the gain over stock. and fyi your car will be a little quicker dont listen to the people who say it wont. I actually ran a 0-60 in mid 6's with just the cai, midpipe and a magnaflow catback but I did have the spare out and part of the back seat removed and running on steelies does help(certainly not in the corners though).
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      08-20-2012 05:49 PM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Anile_eight View Post
      how can they put the same to the wheels if they are different on paper?


      because its just Vw's advertised numbers.

      For example the 150hp engines dyno right around 150 to the wheels. The 170hp engines also put about 150 to the wheels.

      Just like back in the day the 1.8T was rated at 150hp and the VR6 was rated at 172 I think but both were in the 140's whp.

      Its all marketing. Think about it, doesnt the 2.0T sound better when its 50hp more then the base engine rather then 30?
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      08-20-2012 05:51 PM #13
      Quote Originally Posted by jettaglx91 View Post
      because its just Vw's advertised numbers.

      For example the 150hp engines dyno right around 150 to the wheels. The 170hp engines also put about 150 to the wheels.

      Just like back in the day the 1.8T was rated at 150hp and the VR6 was rated at 172 I think but both were in the 140's whp.

      Its all marketing. Think about it, doesnt the 2.0T sound better when its 50hp more then the base engine rather then 30?
      touché good sir. That makes sense, thanks!
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      08-20-2012 08:48 PM #14
      Yes, you swap the ECU, but you have to get it flashed so that immobilizer can be turned off.
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