Built Head

[pio.jimmy]

So I'm starting to get bored with my car. I've tossed around the idea of air, FI, and just selling it in general. The other night I was thinking why not do something different and build the head and just clean the bay up a little. My plan is to get a used head, take it to a machine shop, P&P, 3 angle valve job (not sure if worth it), throw in new valves, new high strength springs and retainers, and either a 276 or 268 cam going with a custom tune as well. I was wondering if I leaving anything out. I was thinking if it would be worth it to even upgrade the injectors and fuel pump. Also can't really decide which cam I want, I'm more towards the 268 because I like my low end but I've talked to people who went from the 268 to the 276 and they said they don't regret it at all.

[Einkaufswagen]

I had 268 cams with a C2 tune, which was alright good power after like 4k -6.5 or so,

But recently I snapped a cam and had to go back to stock, and man was I missing out on the low end haha.

stock cams now that i have run both 268 and stock, are the better choice for a daily, the 268's in my case were only good for highway pulling and poor milage because you have to keep it up there in the RPM's

My car also averaged about 21.2 MPG with the 268 setup which was meh at most. that was with regular driving some hard driving some relaxed driving.

My car also has a 10lb flywheel and a SP short runner so that could also contribute to the lack of low end but still. From a straight comparison the 268's wernt as fun as the stock cams.

Cars also got a 02m so I can realy take advantage of the low end power.

If you are staying N/A I wouldent bother with any fuel mods little to no benefit.

-Einkauf

[Stoddart]

There are allot of variables you're dealing with. 268 and 276 cams are only going to give you power and very high rpm's which will torment you piston rings. I would consider a mild cam, 263. work on your flow, and consider using a intercooler for a CIA. This way if you part from NA, you can through on a head spacer for FI.

Ignition is another issue, the better the spark the less fuel you use.

As for a LW flywheel, actually prefer stock. In its application the mass helps for better shifts and less stress on the cam and crank. You'll burn a clutch plate out faster, but it's better then knocking tdc and crashing.

[Einkaufswagen]

There are allot of variables you're dealing with. 268 and 276 cams are only going to give you power and very high rpm's which will torment you piston rings. I would consider a mild cam, 263. work on your flow, and consider using a intercooler for a CIA. This way if you part from NA, you can through on a head spacer for FI.

Ignition is another issue, the better the spark the less fuel you use.

As for a LW flywheel, actually prefer stock. In its application the mass helps for better shifts and less stress on the cam and crank. You'll burn a clutch plate out faster, but it's better then knocking tdc and crashing.

I agree with all of this, the only reason I run a lightweight flywheel is my clutch was designed to be paired with it. I also enjoy the throttle response and the engine breaking is greatly improved. (I know people will debate the pros and cons of engine breaking all day but whatever )

-Einkauf

[PjS860ct]

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...e-powerful-Vr6.

[masterqaz]

Putting a intercooler on a NA car is like giving a lion lettuce.......

[pio.jimmy]

Thanks for all the input. So I think im going to end up going with a 262 cam becuase it's just my everyday car and I'm not trying to make anything special, just figured I would give it a little extra pep and see if it makes me like the car again other wise I'll move on to another car. I'm leaning towards Autotech 262 cams, heavy duty valves springs, new valves retainers and lifters and a mild port and polish with 3 angle valve job. If I seem to be missing anything let me know.

[VR6DPLMT.]

DRC 268's are around $320 give as much if not more power than Schrick 268's for much less and give quite a bit more power than 262's. No you lose no low end torque. If you want to take full advantage of your P&P head get DRC 268's and skip the autotech 262's b/c after a while you will be wanting more power. If you decide to go F/I later on just make sure you get the proper programming and properly sized fuel injectors.

[Einkaufswagen]

I wouldent bother with the new retainers, just extra money and you 99.9% wont need them, lifters yes springs yes.

If you do go FI though stock or 262 cams would be better, because you keep the low end torque, as well as adding the power from the turbo for the high end,Just a better rounded system.

Not that haveing ALL the power at the high end is a bad thing lol, that is if you did like 268's and a turbo.

[pio.jimmy]

Well I don't plan on going FI because turbo is too much and i find it absurd to put that much to just the front wheels lol (no offense to VRT guys). Supercharger would be the only thing I would do but still a 99% chance that won't happen. Does anyone have any kind of insight to the 260/264 cams? I was wondering how they perform against 268's.

[PjS860ct]

If u get the 260/264 eventually you will take them out to install the 268s.

Which brand are you planning on getting?

[pio.jimmy]

If I were to go 260/264 I would go with techtonics, if I did 268 I would love to go with Shrick but that's a decent chunk of change. So I would probally have to go with DRC or Autotech, more likely DRC

[PjS860ct]

Have you look into the cams the www.fourseasontuning.com sells?

[pio.jimmy]

I was looking at MJM Autohaus, fourseason has an awful lot but I still can't decide what size cam I want yet

[PjS860ct]

Check the catcam 267/266 or the drc 268 at fst

[VR6DPLMT.]

DRC268's give equal and in other cars more hp than Schrick 268's. DRC268's today are the very best cam for the dollar anyone would want to use in the 12v VR6 Community. Not sure in the 24v VR6 Community but with John's experience in making cams for racing engines for the last at least 20yrs. I'd say it would be a safe bet his Cams for the 24v VR6 would make great hp for the price too.

[pio.jimmy]

Yeah, I'm pretty much 95% on the DRC's gonna do new valves, springs, and lifters. Have any of you guys port and polished a head and done a valve job? Is it really worth it?