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Most colleges I know of provide a free bus service at night. MSU an UofM both had free drunk busses. IU had a 40 person van running, all free.
Public transit exists in the US, there could be more and it could be better but not everywhere.
Living in London you do everything via bus or train. I didn't even own a car when I lived there.
Here in Austin I can take a train into downtown. I live 8 miles out of the center and in rush hour my commute would be 45 minutes max. The train would require a 20 minute bus ride, a 30 minute train ride and another 10-30 minutes to get to my location. Not worth especially considering that in the car I could probably do it in 20.
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Thats good to hear about (MSU, UoM).
Like you said, could be more but not everywhere.
Also, good to hear about Austin PT. Moving there in a few months. I was hoping to be able to go car-less, using ZipCar and public transport. Probably wont be sensible though, even though I work from home.
Comparing US or even worse Canadian transport to Europe is messed up. We don't have the consistent population density they do. Certain areas of the US come close but those are rather few and far between. Canada you have Toronto which is extremely spread out, Montreal, and the Lower Mainland which are all sprawling without a lot of density outside of the cores. Calgary is entirely sprawl. I'm guessing Edmonton isn't much better.
In Vancouver if you live beyond Surrey (or even many parts in Surrey) you must drive to a crowded parking lot to find parking and then the Skytrain takes you a similar amount of time as a car. Benefits vary depending when you head into Vancouver. Additionally, if where you're going isn't along the route and you're having to switch to a bus then a car is definitely faster unless you're trying to cross a bridge in the middle of rush hour.
The West Coast of the US seems to be much the same. Very spread out. Not very conducive to mass transit.
I have a vehicle and don't take the bus since i live close to my work, but you need public transit in the city. We had a bus strike in our city a few years ago and everywhere was a mess. Where it normally took 10 mins to go, now took 40. Businesses were suffering because it was during Christmas season and buses always had traffic flowing in malls. Not everyone drives to work. In most cases you get on one bus, drops you off down town, and you're at work in <30 mins.
Same goes for getting home.
It just goes to show you how government and corporations back then brainwashed people into believing things were better when it actually made it worse.
Funny how the things that got taken away are now coming back:
- public Transit
- Electric cars
- Hipsters (okay not that)
People aren't as gullible nowadays as they were 60-70 years ago.
Last edited by GruuvenNorth; 08-22-2012 at 12:33 AM.
Easy like Sunday Morning.
I love cars. I love driving cars. But I would LOVE to not always have to drive them.
Public transportation is awesome, and I wish it were a lot better here.
I can see though, that driving to work would be a huge inconvenience because there would be no parking.
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Los Angeles public transport is hopeless....
...and what DA FUQ are they doing adding ONE lane to the 405 that's taking 5 years to complete???
BTW, to LA residents, there were several freeways proposed in Los Angeles that never materialized due to local reisdent protest. The 170 was supposed to cut through Hollywood down La Cienega Blvd and into the 405. The 90 was supposed to be longer then 3 miles, and run parellel to the 10 going up to Malibu. There was a freeway proposed to run through Beverly Hills and the canyons. Man, how would all this help today!
And we don't want to pay the tax rates that support that cumbersome infrastructure build out. To me the companies that push this are looking to enrich themselves at the public trough, by appealing to a narrow group of interests. And the costs in the long run are borne by people who do not use these systems.
People say my view is unsustainable. I say that is not your choice and I will meet you at the ballot box.
In America we can live anywhere and most of us d not want neighbors right next to us, above up, or below us. It is what it is. We do not just live on the periphery of our landmass. We move goods by train., because that can work, but move people by air and by car, because we need the flexibility this provides.
Bullet express trains require immense investment and upkeep. They serve a narrow group of interests at the expense of the many. It would be better to invest in our existing air travel infrastructure, because people actually use this.
Waiting for the subway wagon, people line up neatly in pairs and will enter one by one, at least initially, because when the wagon starts to fill up, people will not hesitate to push in order to get inside.
The technique is to enter the wagon backwards while pushing for space with your elbows. You do not see who you are pushing and eye contact at this time is non-existent. By elbowing your way in, you will create a little gap for yourself.
The crucial moment is when you put one foot in the wagon and you can support your hands on the sides of the doors, so you are stronger while pushing your way inside. You might say that “you are saved” at that point.
In order to get out, it only serves to use brute force. Start pushing and get some people to leave you a little room or get them to leave the wagon with you, so that they can re-enter after you got out. There is no other option. At other times you might even miss your stop, get out at the next one and having to return from there.
Remember that no matter how full it seems, there is almost always room for more people and this can be suffocating! So prepare for possible dizziness and breathing the same air that dozens of people have breathed out seconds ago.
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I use the bus sometimes to get into center city. There is one that will pick me up at my apartment place and take me right in, no stops. 10 minute ride tops. It ends up being cheaper than parking, and I don't have to worry about my car getting backed into by some dope that can't parallel park. I hesitate to use any other bus though. Some are downright scary.
'12 Trek X-caliber // '11 Cervélo R3
2010 VW GTI
Then it occurred to me.
Cars everywhere, fairly cheap in regards to the rest of the world.
You can't go anywhere without a car in US (unless you live in a big city such as NYC).
Car companies/gas companies conspired together to make as much profit as possible in US and has successfully done so by mostly eliminating public transport.
GM actually did this somewhere in california, where they bought out a system and destroyed it...
"It would take a cross-wired star trek replicator, if not an act of God, to make a left-hand-drive Skyline GT-R for the U.S." - Don Schroeder
'12 Trek X-caliber // '11 Cervélo R3
2010 VW GTI