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    Thread: Prototypes and design proposals for cars.

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      08-23-2012 03:52 PM #1
      I think it's interesting seeing cars we are familiar during the productions stages, showing alternative designs and solutions that was considered. This tread is for that. Feel free to post any sketches or photos of prototypes you have found.

      Lets start with these design sketches of the Toyota 2000gt.


      Design sketches:

















      And a protoype:



      Your turn!

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      08-23-2012 04:01 PM #2
      The Ferrari Daytona prototype:









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      08-23-2012 04:06 PM #3
      I don't know who ever designed the 2000 GT was thinking by using those big ugly lamps up front? I can spot a 2000 GT a mile away because of them, but still they're about as attractive as zits.

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      08-23-2012 04:07 PM #4
      Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Detector View Post
      I don't know who ever designed the 2000 GT was thinking by using those big ugly lamps up front? I can spot a 2000 GT a mile away because of them, but still they're about as attractive as zits.
      I don't mind them to be honest. Quite distinctive at least.

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      08-23-2012 04:28 PM #5
      Another '60s classic gt: The Iso Grifo. Here in prototype form.







      Sketch:


      Final product (not sure how familar people are with the car):




      The lightweight racer prototype called the A3C.


      This later become the Bizzarrini 5300 strada:

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      08-23-2012 06:08 PM #6
      Tatra 603.

      The concept drawings:

      Concept TATRA 603 by TATRA 603, on Flickr

      Design drawings:

      Sketch Tatra 603 by TATRA 603, on Flickr

      Model:

      Model study Tatra 603 by TATRA 603, on Flickr

      Model of alternative design:

      Proposal TATRA 603 by TATRA 603, on Flickr

      A 603 prototype with a central rear fin. This fin was later removed for production.


      Proposed facelift of the 603 from 1962. Never went in production.


      Final production version:
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      08-23-2012 06:21 PM #7
      Corrado:

      Early designs look more like an Isuzu Piazza





      Closer to production, albeit wearing a Scirocco badge



      Properly taking shape:

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      08-23-2012 06:21 PM #8
      1962 design proposal for a Porsche four dour saloon by Ghia. It would take 47 years until Porsche actually went ahead and built one themself though.


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      08-23-2012 06:23 PM #9
      great thread.

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      08-23-2012 07:01 PM #10
      Quote Originally Posted by Galrot View Post
      1962 design proposal for a Porsche four dour saloon by Ghia. It would take 47 years until Porsche actually went ahead and built one themself though.

      Looks like a Corvair with the sloping roofline and trunk of a '73 Grand Am. The Panamera looks like the best design ever in comparison.


      Design proposals for the 1994 Mustang (from 1990):

      "Rambo" This porridge is too hot!


      "Jenner" This porridge is too cool...


      "Schwarzenegger" This porridge is just right!
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      08-24-2012 03:23 AM #11
      Various design sketches for the Nissan Skyline c110.












      Design sketches for the van/station wagon:










      Scale models:



      Final production model:

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      08-24-2012 03:55 AM #12
      Quote Originally Posted by Inspector Detector View Post
      I don't know who ever designed the 2000 GT was thinking by using those big ugly lamps up front? I can spot a 2000 GT a mile away because of them, but still they're about as attractive as zits.
      Here are a alternative driving light design fro the 2000gt. You can also see them on the prototype above. I think these are quite elegant.




      And a alternative rear end design. Less successful imho.







      More info here: http://www.2000gt.net/index.php

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      08-24-2012 09:57 AM #13
      This has potential for epic thread honors. The design process is THE most fascinating and absorbing part of the whole automotive experience for me. The great designers are my heroes, of a sort. They are truly artists, and their works are practical, moveable art for all the world to use and enjoy. Over the years, two publications...Hemmings Special-Interest Autos magazine, and Collectible Automobile magazine, have provided deep and thorough coverage of this subject, and I recommend anyone interested in seeing "what might have been", along with "what never was" when it comes to cars to look into these two GREAT publications (Special-Interest Autos has evolved into today's Hemmings Classic Car, btw). CA magazine in particular has taken on the task of regularly interviewing the great designers (frequently and thankfully just a few years or even months before their deaths), and showcasing their works through archival photographs. If you're even a little bit excited by the "styling" of cars, this stuff is mind-blowing. For every one of the thousands of models that make it to the world's showrooms, there were at least dozens, and sometimes a hundred or even more, proposals, and even prototypes that were rejected on the way to the final production iteration. Seeing just the process of finalizing the GRILLE design on so many cars, through the design studio's photos of the clays and the renderings, is often fascinating. I always find myself thinking; "Why didn't they choose THAT version instead of the production one?", because to my eyes the rejected design was so much more attractive. It's also very interesting to hear the stories these designers tell in their interviews, and to find out the "nuts and bolts" details of the design process, and sometimes the political battles that took place in those studios amongst the principals on the way to achieving the final production version of a model. These people had their hearts and souls invested in their ideas, and fought hard to get them approved, and rejection was a bitter pill to swallow for them, of course. They are just really interesting people, as most artists usually are.

      People like, for example, Chuck Jordan of GM. He was responsible for SO MANY of the cars, and more importantly the worldwide TRENDS in design that we now admire and honor:



      Larry Shinoda, first of Packard, then GM, then finally at Ford. His career is full of surprises, and you'd be amazed at the variety of GREAT achievements of this tremendous artist and enthusiast, from handsome Packards, to the original Corvette Sting Ray, to the Boss series Mustangs, and dozens in-between:



      Then there is Virgil Exner. His career and achievements fill entire books, and rightly so:



      My personal favorite automotive designer is Gordon M. Buehrig, simply because he designed, by himself, the most beautiful thing ever to roll on four wheels, the Cord 810/812:



      I hope this thread evolves into something very nice.
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      08-24-2012 02:28 PM #14
      ^^ Thanks for lengthy and nice comment. A good read.

      A few more pictures.

      Various designs they worked with on the 1961 Chevrolet Impala. Source: http://www.layitlow.com/forums/12-lo...pe-pics-2.html





















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      08-25-2012 07:04 AM #15
      Some sketches of the Lamborghini Muira. Giorgetto Giugiaro and Marcello Gandini are currently fighting about who deserve the credit for the shape. Giugiaro claims that he designed 70% of the final with its general proportions before leaving Bertone. Gandini claims it his design and he have traditionally been credited as the cars designer.

      The two first sketches are credited to Giugiaro. I believe the last two are Gandinis.











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      08-26-2012 05:33 AM #16
      Bentley Burma protoypes. Meant as a entry level Bentley. The project was later scrapped and Bentley instead got a badge-engineered version of the Silver Shadow, which was based on a Rolls Royce project called Tibet. Here are a couple of Bentley Burma picutres.

      Clay model:


      Prototype:


      Testing of another prototype:


      Crash testing:

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      08-26-2012 03:10 PM #17
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    18. 08-26-2012 05:07 PM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by MikkiJayne View Post
      Corrado:

      Early designs look more like an Isuzu Piazza





      Closer to production, albeit wearing a Scirocco badge



      Properly taking shape:

      Not terribly surprising, considering that the Piazza's concept was a proposed redesign for the (2nd gen, IIRC) Scirocco in the first place. Isuzu took it after VW passed.

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      08-26-2012 05:49 PM #19
      Quote Originally Posted by TOMPASS View Post
      Not terribly surprising, considering that the Piazza's concept was a proposed redesign for the (2nd gen, IIRC) Scirocco in the first place. Isuzu took it after VW passed.
      Common misconception. The Piazza was always going to be an Isuzu. They commissioned it from the start with Giugiaro.
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      08-26-2012 06:14 PM #20
      If you are a design enthusiast I urge you to look into these old Hemmings articles, such as this one: http://blog.hemmings.com/index.php/2...ls-scrapbooks/ . Just click each page for a full-size readable version. They're fascinating, and allow one to see just how far into the future the minds of the designers often were, but the public wasn't allowed to see.
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      08-26-2012 06:14 PM #21
      AE86 design sketches.

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      08-26-2012 06:48 PM #22
      ^^ Nice. Keep it comming!

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      08-26-2012 06:48 PM #23
      Awwwwwwwww yeahhhhhhhhhhhh

      I cna't find the pics of the Golf Mk2 and Mk3 design sketches, but I know they exist, somewhere. Damn, I can't even find the dashboard design picture on my photobucket. Too many pics!

      Some I found in the galleries that I'll post just becuase:
      Cabriolet Karmann study (clipper kit proposal I suppose):


      Caddy Sport:


      Mk2 proposals:







      Mk3:

      The most significant detail is the headlights. I have noticed that even in ETKA sketches, the Golf front end is a lot more low slung than it was actually built as. Maybe that was a last-minute change?

      Here's a prototype of the Passat B3 hatchback, looks like the Auto2000 concept. With VR6 and all.

      Auto2000 for comparison (which came out in 1982/ styling was borrowed by the then-new 82 Scirocco and 88 B3 passat a few years later)


      Golf Mk1 final stage protype, with sliding door... some guy found it in a Euro junkyard! (converted from dutch magazine)


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      08-27-2012 04:41 AM #24
      Some pictures of the developments stages of the Jaguar xj mark 1. This car is credited with being the last model William Lyons had direct input into.

      Seems like their first idea was simply to craft E-type front- and rear ends onto each side creating a four-door E-type. It actually looks quite good in profile if you ask me.





      However they decided to square this up. First they started on the front. The front end seems inspired by the early Jensen models.





      Now we are getting somewhere. The front is slightly sleeker than final version, while the trunk seems a little bit longer and higher than what they eventually ended up with.






      Pretty much the final item.



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      08-27-2012 04:45 AM #25
      Continuing from above: Various front treatments they tried on the Jaguar xj mk1.










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