steering wheel swap aftermath - problem

[Breakthecycle2]

So I just swapped my 4 spoke MFSW to a 3 spoke MFSW SW. I swapped the clock spring to a single stage and soldered in a resistor for the airbag. I have an issue now. The steering wheel light won't shut off and it feels like I have no power steering and the multi function doesn't work. I used ross tech's wiki to code it. Any ideas?

[bkpapi12]

Did u swap perfectly straight notch 2 notch if it was off by 1 tooth no good

[Breakthecycle2]

Hmmm...not sure what you mean.

[bkpapi12]

Middle of sw to middle of shaft

[Breakthecycle2]

Middle of sw to middle of shaft

OK I'll.check that tomorrow but what about the MF not working? I just realized my born doesn't work either.

[MDAce15]

Which type of 3-spoke MFSW did you install? I see you swapped the clockspring, did you swap the control module? Did you do all the steering adaptations?

List your part numbers, maybe that will help us figure out what's wrong.

[Breakthecycle2]

Which type of 3-spoke MFSW did you install? I see you swapped the clockspring, did you swap the control module? Did you do all the steering adaptations?

List your part numbers, maybe that will help us figure out what's wrong.

I don't have the part numbers but the wheel came out of a 2010 cc. I did not change the control module

[vw_nc_dude]

OK I'll.check that tomorrow but what about the MF not working? I just realized my born doesn't work either.

Don't know about the rest of your problems, but in my case (4-spoke non-MFSW to 3-spoke MFSW) they had to do a re-wiring to get the horn work. Might be a simple thing since they did it in 30 minutes or so but I do not know the exact thing they did. Maybe a VW insider can chime in.

Maybe changing the SW module might fix the horn problem without a need for re-wiring.

[Breakthecycle2]

Here's my control module

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW20.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 E HW: 3C0 953 549 E
Component: J0527 0015
Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 3C5953507P
Coding: 0002111
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 2E7DDC2DB90C649

Part No: XXXXXXXXXXX
Component: E0221 006 0080

2 Faults Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - - - Intermittent
02413 - Switch for Selector Lever Position P Lock (F319)
014 - Defective - Intermitten

[Breakthecycle2]

OK, so I fixed the steering angle sensor and I have full power steering. I have no dash warning lights on...but nothing on the MFSW works at all, including the horn. Below is an auto scan. Im thinking it has something to do with the CAN bus not being coded correctly. I don't know what else to do about that because I've quadruple checked it and everything installed on the car is checked off. I've coded the steerign per Ross-Tech's wiki and that is still showing not coded correctly. Any ideas??


Friday,31,August,2012,11:42:54:14294
VCDS Version: Release 11.11.4 (x64)
Data version: 20120807



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Chassis Type: 3C0
Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 1C 25 42 44 46 52 53 56 62 65 72


VIN: WVWEK73CX6E046039

01-Engine -- Status: OK 0000
02-Auto Trans -- Status: OK 0000
03-ABS Brakes -- Status: OK 0000
04-Steering Angle -- Status: OK 0000
08-Auto HVAC -- Status: OK 0000
09-Cent. Elect. -- Status: Malfunction 0010
15-Airbags -- Status: OK 0000
16-Steering wheel -- Status: Malfunction 0010
17-Instruments -- Status: OK 0000
19-CAN Gateway -- Status: Malfunction 0010
1C-Position Sensing -- Status: OK 0000
25-Immobilizer -- Status: OK 0000
42-Door Elect, Driver -- Status: OK 0000
44-Steering Assist -- Status: OK 0000
46-Central Conv. -- Status: OK 0000
52-Door Elect, Pass. -- Status: OK 0000
53-Parking Brake -- Status: OK 0000
56-Radio -- Status: Malfunction 0010
62-Door, Rear Left -- Status: OK 0000
65-Tire Pressure -- Status: Not registered 0001
72-Door, Rear Right -- Status: OK 0000

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Address 01: Engine Labels: 06F-907-115-AXX.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 907 115 F HW: 3C0 907 115 G
Component: 2.0l R4/4V TFSI 0030
Revision: --H10--- Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 0404010A19070160
Shop #: WSC 06811 444 58769
VCID: 236B3D19E2E22E001C7

No fault code found.
Readiness: 0000 0000

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Address 02: Auto Trans Labels: 09G-927-750.lbl
Part No SW: 09G 927 750 CJ HW: 09G 927 750 CJ
Component: AQ 250 6F 1135
Revision: 00H38000 Serial number:
Coding: 0000000
Shop #: WSC 06105 444 84050
VCID: 7BDB25793AD2B6C0747

No fault code found.

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Address 03: ABS Brakes Labels: 3C0-614-095-C2.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 614 095 N HW: 3C0 614 095 N
Component: ESP 440 C2 H015 0001
Revision: H015 Serial number: 0657605065
Coding: 0013755
Shop #: WSC 06105 444 84665
VCID: 2D7FDB21B426E870BA3

No fault code found.

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Address 08: Auto HVAC Labels: 1K0-820-047.lbl
Part No: 1K0 820 047 DL
Component: Climatic PQ35 090 0505
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 71C70751689ECC90DEB

No fault code found.

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Address 09: Cent. Elect. Labels: 3C0-937-049-23-H.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 937 049 E HW: 3C0 937 049 E
Component: Bordnetz-SG H37 1002
Revision: 00H37000 Serial number: 00000001875468
Coding: 04048E1140041A00000000000F0000000008724C5C
Shop #: WSC 05311 123 12345
VCID: 2B7BD5398A32E640A47

Subsystem 1 - Part No: 3C1 955 119 Labels: 1KX-955-119.CLB
Component: Wischer VW461 012 0503
Coding: 00065493
Shop #: WSC 05311

1 Fault Found:
02092 - Enabling Heated Seat
009 - Open or Short to Ground
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101001
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 34
Mileage: 14089 km
Time Indication: 0

Freeze Frame:
ON
Voltage: 14.00 V
ON
ON
OFF
OFF
OFF


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Address 15: Airbags Labels: 3C0-909-605.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 909 605 D HW: 3C0 909 605 D
Component: 0R AIRBAG VW8R 027 2421
Revision: 07027000 Serial number: 0038WS7RBK5C
Coding: 0012370
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 2773290996DAC22040F

Part No: 3C0 959 339
Component: BF-Gewichtsens. 006 0001

No fault code found.

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Address 16: Steering wheel Labels: 3C0-953-549-SW20.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 953 549 E HW: 3C0 953 549 E
Component: J0527 0015
Revision: 00005000 Serial number: 3C5953507P
Coding: 0002111
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 2E7DDC2DB9209368839

2 Faults Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - -
01426 - Controls in Steering Wheel (E221)
004 - No Signal/Communication

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Address 17: Instruments (J285) Labels: 3C8-920-xxx-17.clb
Part No SW: 3C8 920 970 FX HW: 3C8 920 970 FX
Component: KOMBI H05 0110
Serial number: 00000000000000
Coding: 260D00
Shop #: WSC 08269 444 85928
ASAM Dataset: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09 A04040
ROD: EV_Kombi_UDS_VDD_RM09_VW46.rod
VCID: 8733C9893E1A6220E0F

No fault code found.

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Address 19: CAN Gateway Labels: 3C0-907-530-V3.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 907 530 Q HW: 3C0 907 951
Component: J533 Gateway H13 0172
Revision: H13 Serial number: 3620P10922008A
Coding: FD807F06001202001002
Shop #: WSC 12345 123 12345
VCID: 2F43C129BE2A9A6088F

1 Fault Found:
01044 - Control Module Incorrectly Coded
000 - -
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01100000
Fault Priority: 1
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 34
Mileage: 14089 km
Time Indication: 0


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Address 1C: Position Sensing Labels: 1Kx-919-xxx-1C.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 919 965 HW: 3C0 919 965
Component: Kompass 005 0002
Revision: 00002000 Serial number: 1166279TN46B04
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: EDFF9B21F4A6A8707A3

No fault code found.

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Address 25: Immobilizer Labels: 3C0-959-433-25.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 Q HW: 3C0 959 433 Q
Component: IMMO 051 0383
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Shop #: WSC 06402 785 00200
VCID: 3851FA754B645DD8D95

Part No: 3C0 905 861 J
Component: ELV 029 0380
3C0905861J ELV 029 0380

No fault code found.

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Address 42: Door Elect, Driver Labels: 1K0-959-701-MIN2.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 701 K
Component: Tuer-SG 024 2359
Coding: 0001205
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 364DF44D4170ABA8CB9

No fault code found.

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Address 44: Steering Assist Labels: 1Kx-909-14x-44.clb
Part No: 1K1 909 144 H
Component: EPS_ZFLS Kl.12 1502
Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
VCID: 3041C255A3148598915

No fault code found.

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Address 46: Central Conv. Labels: 3C0-959-433-46.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 Q HW: 3C0 959 433 Q
Component: KSG PQ46 RDK 051 0218
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 1A910F8801864E763C04141FF00A0F0E081800
Shop #: WSC 08224 211 56823
VCID: 3851FA754B645DD8D95

Component: Sounder n.mounted

Component: NGS n.mounted

Component: IRUE n.mounted

No fault code found.

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Address 52: Door Elect, Pass. Labels: 1K0-959-702-MIN2.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 702 K
Component: Tuer-SG 024 2359
Coding: 0001204
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 3753F949467A52A0D0F

No fault code found.

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Address 53: Parking Brake Labels: 3C0-907-801-53.clb
Part No SW: 3C0 907 801 B HW: 3C0 907 801 B
Component: EPB VC8HC001 013 0001
Revision: 013
Coding: 0000013
Shop #: WSC 131071 1023 2097151
VCID: 21673711F8FE3C100EB

No fault code found.

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Address 56: Radio (J503) Labels: 5M0-035-1xx-56.clb
Part No SW: 1K0 035 180 AC HW: 1K0 035 180 AC
Component: Radio Prem-8 H10 0043
Revision: -----20S Serial number: VWZ4Z7J1134823
Coding: 0100000101
Shop #: WSC 01357 011 00200
VCID: 61E77711787E7C104EB

1 Fault Found:
00856 - Radio Antenna
011 - Open Circuit
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 01101011
Fault Priority: 5
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 34
Mileage: 14089 km
Time Indication: 0
Date: 2001.14.16
Time: 11:37:54


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Address 62: Door, Rear Left Labels: 1K0-959-703-GEN2.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 703 D
Component: Tuer-SG 021 2417
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 3147C751A81E8C909EB

No fault code found.

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Address 65: Tire Pressure Labels: 3C0-959-433-65.lbl
Part No SW: 3C0 959 433 Q HW: 3C0 959 433 Q
Component: RDK 0420
Revision: 00051000 Serial number: VWZCZ000000000
Coding: 0100100
Shop #: WSC 06105 444 84665
VCID: 3851FA754B645DD8D95

No fault code found.

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Address 72: Door, Rear Right Labels: 1K0-959-704-GEN2.lbl
Part No: 1K0 959 704 D
Component: Tuer-SG 021 2417
Coding: 0000144
Shop #: WSC 05311 000 00000
VCID: 3245C85DAD18B788E71

No fault code found.

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[sdoo25]

Does the 2010 CC steering wheel have the new button layout or does it match your old steering wheel? If it has the new buttons I think there's a thread here that said not all of the button controls will work. Sorry to not be more help but maybe you can find it with a search.

[Breakthecycle2]

It's the newer style buttons, not like my old ones. I've seen threads where most of them work I believe. None of them work now.

[bkpapi12]

its coded wrong i think for new wheel coding a lot higher

[low_passat]

Not sure if it matters, but what sticks out to me is you have the second digit coded as ROW parking lights instead of NA, and you have the fourth digit as NA auto transmission. Perhaps that's throwing it off.

Also the last digit for the rear wiper, there are two options for the sedan with board computer & without. What is board computer, and have you tried both?

[Breakthecycle2]

its coded wrong i think for new wheel coding a lot higher

Can you be more specific?

[Breakthecycle2]

Not sure if it matters, but what sticks out to me is you have the second digit coded as ROW parking lights instead of NA, and you have the fourth digit as NA auto transmission. Perhaps that's throwing it off.

Also the last digit for the rear wiper, there are two options for the sedan with board computer & without. What is board computer, and have you tried both?

I must have not changed it back before the scan but I was trying both different options. My current coding is 0002111

[bkpapi12]

I dont think its a 2 any more its a 5 or 6 i know it sounds out of range but ive read it here somewhere a while back. On a sw swap thread. Just cant remember i like the coding threads so i read most of them

[Breakthecycle2]

If anyone can PLEASE clue me in on what I need to do, to get the MF working. Nothing on it works. Not the horn or the lights on the steering wheel, nothing.

[low_passat]

If anyone can PLEASE clue me in on what I need to do, to get the MF working. Nothing on it works. Not the horn or the lights on the steering wheel, nothing.

I checked my coding and it's the same as your's other than I have shift paddles enabled, but mine is a Mk5 GTI wheel.

Gotta be the SW module, clockspring, or airbag harness

[MDAce15]

I don't have the part numbers but the wheel came out of a 2010 cc. I did not change the control module

That's your problem right there. Your info says you have a 2006 B6. The newer B6 and CC steering wheels cannot communicate with the older (Pre-2009) Steering Wheel Control Modules. Being I don't know all your part numbers (for ClockSpring and Harness) I can't confirm what other parts might have to be changed but I know I HAD to change my Steering Wheel Control Module for the buttons to work. This is all the info I have.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-Straight-Talk...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...SG-Paddles-DIY


Keep in mind that the CC wheel that you have and the MK6 wheel I have are essentially exactly the same, just different designs, so my swap is pretty much the same as yours. Also keep in mind that I swapped my CAN Gateway when I installed my new radio and MDI kit. Also keep in mind that what radio you have, may determine whether you have audio controls or not. Lastly, as long as you have the instrument cluster with the Red MFD, there will always be 2 buttons (the "left menu" button and the "back" button, both on the right side of the SW)that don't work.

[Breakthecycle2]

That's your problem right there. Your info says you have a 2006 B6. The newer B6 and CC steering wheels cannot communicate with the older (Pre-2009) Steering Wheel Control Modules. Being I don't know all your part numbers (for ClockSpring and Harness) I can't confirm what other parts might have to be changed but I know I HAD to change my Steering Wheel Control Module for the buttons to work. This is all the info I have.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...-Straight-Talk...

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...SG-Paddles-DIY


Keep in mind that the CC wheel that you have and the MK6 wheel I have are essentially exactly the same, just different designs, so my swap is pretty much the same as yours. Also keep in mind that I swapped my CAN Gateway when I installed my new radio and MDI kit. Also keep in mind that what radio you have, may determine whether you have audio controls or not. Lastly, as long as you have the instrument cluster with the Red MFD, there will always be 2 buttons (the "left menu" button and the "back" button, both on the right side of the SW)that don't work.

Just to clarify, I have the RCD-510. I just recently upgraded to the newest "Q" Canbus as well. I also have upgraded the gauge cluster from the red one to the newer 2010 white cluster. The airbag harness is the one that came with it. As far as the clock spring, I have also changed that one to the exact part number you used.

Now knowing all this, is it still possible that it's the SW control module?

[bkpapi12]

these parts werent meant to work together but they do!. since, there's no real support. your venturing into uncharted territory. u have an early version of sw control module(E) software 15 new (sw 30) works well with mk5 swap but iffy on mk6 it seem's. since the control module is communicating with system and its saying coded incorrectly. try coding out of range theres only 10 combinations 0-9. or you can spend $$$ on new sw control module. your coding 0002111 try 0003111,0004111,0005111,0006111,
worse thing gonna happen when u put in gear it'll buck!!!! if it buck put back in park and try another combo u cant mess up you have original coding or start another thread asking for sw coding. but IIRC its 0005111 or 0006111 i know its high and out of range. range meaning vagcom only gives 0,1,2, for this option i believe. I also tried using a 4 spoke multifunction harness on a 3 spoke multifunction wheel both were dual stage horn didnt work although it did fit clock spring it didnt work. Make sure proper harness.

[Breakthecycle2]

Before I start going nuts, how do I check the clockspring and harness to make sure they are working properly?

[MDAce15]

Well by process of elimination, we have essentially the same steering wheel, the same clock spring, the same harness, the same gateway, the same cluster and newer radios. My buttons all work and yours dont. The one difference between our setups is the Steering Wheel Control Module. I'm pretty certain that's the problem.