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    08-31-2012 01:55 PM #1
    I just got my first vw its a 97 jetta gt I want to delete ac and power steering can any one help me out I have to many questions to put here thanks

  2. 08-31-2012 02:06 PM #2
    It's simple. Just pull all the AC stuff (compressor, condenser, lines, etc.). Leave the evap/expansion valve unless you plan on pulling dash to remove it. For the power steering, just pull the pump and high pressure hose. Plug it at the rack. You can leave the return hose and reservoir if you plan to ever go back and want to put fluid in the rack easily or just pull and plug that too.

    Then all you need is a VR6 water pump pulley and a 6PK1033 or 1035 belt to run everything off single serp belt. You may get flack from people here about no power steering with a power rack. It's really not that bad. I've had mine like this for 2 years and no problems. I did not loop the lines or anything on the rack and left return hose and reservoir.

    Please take it to a shop to drain AC refrigerant unless it's already empty.

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    08-31-2012 02:09 PM #3
    So I have to have the vr water pump the ac I knew about but the power steering I really dont know about

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    08-31-2012 02:11 PM #4
    So do I change my water pump for the vr ? I'm not very good with cars but I love this jetta and wanna make it cool I'm looking for golf parts.to swap front end and euro bumper for front thinking of useing the new bettle wheels on it

  5. 08-31-2012 02:14 PM #5
    No, you don't need to change the waterpump. You just need to change from the 2.0 waterpump pulley to the VR6 pulley. Basically just rip all the ac and power steering stuff out and replace pulley and belt

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    08-31-2012 02:21 PM #6
    Thank u man I've had so many problems with this thing the alarm wouldn't stop going off I fixed that then the starter my lil cuz put the hot and groung on the ground to the starter so I have to go get a new one again I'm thinking of getting a head out of the junk yard and building it up with cam and fuel rail and bigger objectors but can u use the hydraulic lifters on my 8v head. I want it to be quick but still drivable u know what cam would be best for this

  7. 08-31-2012 02:43 PM #7
    They all have hydraulic lifters. The cam you should run would depend on your overall plans, whether you want to stay NA or go forced induction, and where you want the power band to be. With any cam bigger than 260 on OBD2, you should upgrade to dual valve springs. OBD1 heads came with them. Really if you are building a head everything should be new anyway and lifters are worn to cam.

    You can check this thread for info on getting power and cam options:
    http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...owerful-2.0-8v.

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    09-01-2012 12:18 AM #8
    I had plan to have all new parts inthe head but I don't wanna turbo it plan was to do head and fuel up grade and fly wheel and clutch intake and chip. My buddy has a stock 95 BMW m3 I wanna beat him

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    09-01-2012 12:37 AM #9
    the real question is...why???

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    09-01-2012 12:42 AM #10
    I really wanna have a cool car none of my friends drive vw and I just love the 97 jetta body style but really can't wait to find a 87 golf or that body style golf I wanna keep it simple bit nice the new bettle wheels are ****in cool and would look good on my jetta. Why do u ask

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    09-01-2012 12:49 AM #11
    part of having a nice car is having working components. Not deleting them as soon as you have a problem.

    Why are you trying to remove these parts?

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    09-01-2012 12:53 AM #12
    I don't use the ac and the power steering I thought would lighten the motors load and would stop it from pulling on take off both work fine only thing wrong is starter and body work

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    09-01-2012 01:06 AM #13
    Take this as advise, not criticism. But there are so many other things you can do to your motor that have less of a negative effect, intake, cam, lighter pulleys, exhaust, etc......to be honest. It's a 2.0. It's never going to be crazy fast. So there is no reason to sacrifice your A/C on PS like its a race car..

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    09-01-2012 01:13 AM #14
    you aint gonna beat a m3 with a jetta f**k the little sh*t go turbo or dont do anything!!! its a family car....the stock 2.0 holds turbo no problem...research research research!!!!!!!!!!!!!! heres a good linkvvhttp://www.google.com/webhp?source=search_app

  15. 09-01-2012 10:38 AM #15
    Quote Originally Posted by sic_null View Post
    part of having a nice car is having working components. Not deleting them as soon as you have a problem.

    Why are you trying to remove these parts?
    The reason I did it on several VWs I've owned is because less components equals less things to break. Same reason why I rip out all the broken power window regulators and replace with manual. The return hoses were also rusted and leaking and not worth the $175+. I never need AC and power steering is completely pointless IMO. It cleans up the bay nice, easily sheds more than 50lbs, and increases fuel economy and HP.

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    09-01-2012 09:57 PM #16
    It's a stock 95 m3 I've had a jetta before and that one easly did 125 130 and I drive his all the time and it auto I just wanna be the first to 100 and show him he spent 10,000 on a p.o.s and I really don't know much about how to work on cars but I like to and I wanna say I did it all myself. Plus its a hold over car I'm looking for a 80s golf so I can do a vr swap in that have the block but its bare and not worth putting in a jetta even tho I love the look of jettas

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    09-01-2012 10:54 PM #17
    Quote Originally Posted by gazzellesmk3 View Post
    It's a stock 95 m3 I've had a jetta before and that one easly did 125 130 and I drive his all the time and it auto I just wanna be the first to 100 and show him he spent 10,000 on a p.o.s and I really don't know much about how to work on cars but I like to and I wanna say I did it all myself.

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    09-05-2012 09:34 AM #18
    Ok I've got a super charger in the way in the next two weeks so excited about it but still need advice

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    09-05-2012 09:44 AM #19
    you can beat the M3 do it for all the Jettas out there! no pressure

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    09-05-2012 09:49 AM #20
    Yea I hope so I still need to figure out cam and fuel and exhaust so I don't blow it up and he doesn't take care of his car struts are.shot and needs motor work. Don't get me wrong its fast but its auto so

  21. 09-05-2012 10:37 AM #21
    What supercharger are you going to run? If you are going FI, you should just run a TT 268/260 cam. That's what's sold in the BBM stage 2 upgrade. There should be a chip tune for whatever charger you run to handle fueling or you can go with something from United Motorsports with 30# injectors and a custom tune for all of your mods. Exhaust I'd just do 2.5" stainless catback...either shop custom or off the shelf.

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    09-05-2012 10:41 AM #22
    neuspeed buying it from here hope I don't get ****ed over I really want one he has.chip and all that except the intercooler but I wanna upgrade all of it but that takes time and money and thanks

  23. 09-05-2012 12:24 PM #23
    Neuspeed charger is pretty worthless unless you get it very cheap (less than $1k). You can put down more power just with a built ABA naturally aspirated. I don't even think it runs 5psi with standard pulley and doesn't even put down 140whp. It's also pointless to run an intercooler with it and would require some fabrication since it's roots based. Better off with meth injection.

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    09-07-2012 05:35 AM #24
    I think Jesse had the neuspeed kit on his jetta, put down good power from what I can remember. 0-100 first should be no problem.
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    10-23-2012 10:18 PM #25
    Ok I've got the nuespeed superchager but it has obd 1 chip already on the ecu will that work or will I have to take it out and put it in mine? Also if anyone knows where I can get a second hand rear support bracket plz let me know the kid didn't have it so I need one any info will help me. I got a new shift linkage what a bitch that was now its the clutch and head gaskets and charger and I'm ready to go plz plz plz help

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    10-23-2012 10:52 PM #26
    Quote Originally Posted by gazzellesmk3 View Post
    Ok I've got the nuespeed superchager but it has obd 1 chip already on the ecu will that work or will I have to take it out and put it in mine? Also if anyone knows where I can get a second hand rear support bracket plz let me know the kid didn't have it so I need one any info will help me. I got a new shift linkage what a bitch that was now its the clutch and head gaskets and charger and I'm ready to go plz plz plz help
    I'm confused here. I believe OBD1 chips need to be soldered in and OBD2 are plug and play, though I could be wrong. You cannot put that chip in a OBD2 system from what I understand. Please post pics of you smoking your friends M3 in your MK3.

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    10-23-2012 10:54 PM #27
    get a bentley, a six pack and bath salts next time you want to figure out a vw.

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    10-23-2012 10:57 PM #28
    They mite be soldered in idk I'm mineral dumb and don't know who to reallywork on cars but I wanna make a cook car I pluged in the ecu he sent me and it wouldn't start my car so I don't think its going to work so now I have to sell it and buy a new one I'm hoping nuespeed will take it as part trade or something. And I will be making a video his m3 is a pos won't put a dime in it even tho he's got all kinds of money numb ass

  29. 10-23-2012 11:34 PM #29
    Disregard women, acquire currency. Save and build assets. Then build a fast car. There isn't going to be a cheap and easy way to make an aba faster than an m3. Vr6? Different story.

    This honda kid came up to me one day trying to show off. He said, is that your gti, what have you done to it? I responded with what I have and hp ballpark because I've never dyno'd. He's all like, oh ya well I've spent 10 grand on my motor, it's a swap, it makes 500+hp. I was like, cool story, you dumped 10 grand into an old pos honda that I wouldn't want to go 60 mph in much less have 500hp and you are how old? What a wasted life. His kid will have holes in his shoes, but he'll have his vtec.

    When you are ready, the right way to do it is to get a second car to tune slowly and safely for your first build. I don't think I should have to tell you what a nightmare driving an old project car of any brand can be.

    Keep it stock and safe. I bet I could go over your car and write down a grand worth of just regular maintenance. Stop beating up your clutch and pulling hard. The rivets in your diff probably hate you and are ready to explode at any moment. Respect it for what it is, and put the pimp hand down for anyone else driving it.

    I doubt your friends imaginary m3 is a pos.
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    Did you know that it's not pronounced Em Kay ? ALL OF THE CAR LOUNGE WILL BE HAPPY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. SERIOUSLY. IT STANDS FOR MARK. DID YOU KNOW THAT? BEFORE THAT A1,A2, A3, ETC WAS USED. LIVE UP TO TCL STANDARDS BEFORE YOU GET ON MY ASS. THAT'S DISGUSTING.
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    10-23-2012 11:52 PM #30
    I don't have to drive or can't for the next two years so this is what I'm doing with my money for.now I've done everything that needed to be done so its sound and runs right but now I wanna start upgrades and sense I think Ur from vt look for a blk m3 95 that says superman on the back fender and tell me what I think its splashed at the outback in so.burl. I just don't have the money to keep paying shops to do my work so I wanna give it a shot that's all bud and got miss lead on what I was buying when I got this superchager so I think two years is plenty of time to do it right and it mite be longer than that b4 I get my licence so I've got time I just wanna get all the parts together

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    10-23-2012 11:58 PM #31
    Quote Originally Posted by mikeone718 View Post
    get a bentley, a six pack and bath salts next time you want to figure out a vw.
    Don't eat my face bro.

    Yeah I'm from VT, I used to live in Burlington until I had some U.S. Department of Justice issues. I would say save your $$ and lay off the bath salts.

    Good luck.
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  32. 10-24-2012 12:00 AM #32
    Bro, no one can even understand you. Faith in humanity lost.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rutledge View Post
    Did you know that it's not pronounced Em Kay ? ALL OF THE CAR LOUNGE WILL BE HAPPY TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. SERIOUSLY. IT STANDS FOR MARK. DID YOU KNOW THAT? BEFORE THAT A1,A2, A3, ETC WAS USED. LIVE UP TO TCL STANDARDS BEFORE YOU GET ON MY ASS. THAT'S DISGUSTING.
    Example of TCL's standards

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    10-24-2012 12:27 AM #33
    Quote Originally Posted by gazzellesmk3 View Post
    I don't have to drive or can't for the next two years so this is what I'm doing with my money for.now I've done everything that needed to be done so its sound and runs right but now I wanna start upgrades and sense I think Ur from vt look for a blk m3 95 that says superman on the back fender and tell me what I think its splashed at the outback in so.burl. I just don't have the money to keep paying shops to do my work so I wanna give it a shot that's all bud and got miss lead on what I was buying when I got this superchager so I think two years is plenty of time to do it right and it mite be longer than that b4 I get my licence so I've got time I just wanna get all the parts together
    What does this mean by,"don't have to or can't for the next two years" just out of curiosity? I will keep my eyes out for a M3 superman that is splashed, you better believe that.

  34. 10-24-2012 05:58 AM #34
    Quote Originally Posted by zero. View Post
    The reason I did it on several VWs I've owned is because less components equals less things to break. Same reason why I rip out all the broken power window regulators and replace with manual.
    This is such a ridiculously asinine train of thought I don't even know where to start.
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  35. 10-24-2012 11:08 AM #35
    Quote Originally Posted by JohnStamos View Post
    This is such a ridiculously asinine train of thought I don't even know where to start.
    It's even more asinine for you to comment on an old post. Sorry you're too dense to understand the concept. Maybe you can tell Glock to put more parts in their guns. I've easily saved over $1k in repairs by eliminating power steering, AC components, and power window regulators. Power regulators and motors break constantly, whether they are OEM or aftermarket. Half a dozen were broken and replacements broken too in the two Wolfsburgs I have. Rust from salt where I live also rots the power steering hoses. It doesn't get hot enough for me to want to use AC either.

    To me they are all useless comfort components and I had no need for them. If you want comfort components, then buy a newer car. I'll stick with Mk1-Mk3. A serpentine only setup is good for the following:
    1) Don't have to worry about compressor seizing up, destroying belt, and making undrivable
    2) Don't have to worry about accessory belt failing, causing car to overheat
    3) Easier repairs and more room in bay
    4) Less weight, slightly more efficient, and better gas mileage

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