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    Thread: 2013 Focus ST, worth it?

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      09-02-2012 06:35 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm0075 View Post
      Drove one and loved it. My wife is waiting to test drive one to decide between it and the MS3. And when we buy I won't be going off the dealer sheets or putting up with their BS. I'll go thru Costco and save myself a headache and several hours of "negotiating".
      The ms3 shouldn't be an option compared to this car. The interior is subpar to the ST, the ecoboost motor is more reliable than the Disi, says Cobb, and the transmission is a little better.

      Like I said my brother has a 08 Ms3 with a lot of work done to it, but he is over the poor quality interior. He wants the Fiesta ST when it comes out.

      I think a better option for me at the moment is to go ahead and trade my molested mkv for a friends b7 A4 quattro tip, and trade the stock one in on the ST once the price comes down, and my hand works again.
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      09-02-2012 06:40 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      Exactly, its not an R without the VR; I was interested in one myself even though it doesn't have the VR6, but now I would probably buy an EVO, even if Mitsubishi goes out of business lol.
      Evo's plague is cabin drone, and raw comfort seats. Anyone hear anything on the forth coming Evo? Last I heard it would be diesel. That draws my fancy a little.
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    3. 09-02-2012 06:42 PM #28
      They sticker for under $24000. Add aprox $2400 for recaros and a few other upgrades. Another $2500 gets leather and more. $800 for a moonroof btw.


      Nothing under $30,000 competes right now.


      People are talking about this car as a segment dominator.

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      09-02-2012 06:44 PM #29
      the ST has excited me from first word of it, I love that there is a 'Murrikan competitor to all the Asian/German hot small cars, and that it's truly a worthy effort from Ford. I can't wait to see how the GTI VII stacks up against it. I love that you can now get cars from Ford other than the Mustang that are a scream to drive, and real performance machines.
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      09-02-2012 06:44 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Why would I buy a .:R when the whole appeal was because of the AWD and vr6. The golf R is an abomination.
      I am sorry you hate cars. It has AWD but lacks a Vr6 and all of the typical MKIV problems. Whats the problem?

      The times they are a changin and most people will take a turbo four cylinder over an NA six cylinder with less HP and torque. The MKIV R32 was a cool car, and still is as well as the MKV, but the MKVI is a better car in every area.

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      09-02-2012 06:54 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by kenny301 View Post
      I am sorry you hate cars. It has AWD but lacks a Vr6 and all of the typical MKIV problems. Whats the problem?

      The times they are a changin and most people will take a turbo four cylinder over an NA six cylinder with less HP and torque. The MKIV R32 was a cool car, and still is as well as the MKV, but the MKVI is a better car in every area.
      Ya well I don't want a FSI that has been replaced by a better TSI motor. VW could have strapped a k04 to that and I would entertain it. Honestly I would take a s3 or a a4 over it.
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      09-02-2012 07:00 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by kraut_pauer79 View Post
      the ST has excited me from first word of it, I love that there is a 'Murrikan competitor to all the Asian/German hot small cars, and that it's truly a worthy effort from Ford. I can't wait to see how the GTI VII stacks up against it. I love that you can now get cars from Ford other than the Mustang that are a scream to drive, and real performance machines.
      Same draw I have.
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    8. 09-02-2012 07:21 PM #33
      You can't base car choice on numbers alone, well, you can, but somewhere in that decision you have to like if not love it too. ST threads seem to always turn into a VW VS Ford debate, but there are many cars were the high cost makes you wonder the same question, is it worth it?
      The Mini Cooper S and JCW versions are a case in point. I hate the interiors, the car is kinda small, but I have been told by the dealer (ofcourse) and an owner (at a gas station) and read many posts here (expert TCL posterior knowledge pullers) that they are awesome driver's cars. Everytime I build/price them online, they come out so high that I would have a hard time passing up other cars in the high thirties to low forties.
      Not buying a Cooper but I am driving one this coming weekend, dealer has a charity fund raising program were they let you drive a car, money gets donated to a charity for it.
      So yeah, by the numbers the ST falls somewhere in there at the same level as or above GTI. People fork over serious dough for a funky interiored and small sized little Minis, I'm sure the ST will find fans.

    9. 09-02-2012 07:31 PM #34
      Anyone who goes to a Ford dealership with $34k looking for a sporty car that leaves with a Focus is doing it wrong.


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      09-02-2012 07:35 PM #35
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    11. 09-02-2012 07:40 PM #36
      Mustang GT 5.0 premium STARTS at $34,000.

      Focus ST starts at $24,000. To hit $34,000 you gotta add every available option, plus all taxes and dealer fees...

    12. 09-02-2012 07:45 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by gsprobe View Post
      Mustang GT 5.0 premium STARTS at $34,000.

      Focus ST starts at $24,000. To hit $34,000 you gotta add every available option, plus all taxes and dealer fees...
      Honestly, I'd be quite content with a "base" 5.0 Premium. . But yeah, apples to hand grenade comparisons and whatnot.
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      09-02-2012 08:00 PM #38
      There are way better cars out there for $34k. Under $30k I'm sure it gives the "usual suspects" run for their money.

      BTW the original R was a 4cyl supercharged car. Early 1990s and early 2000s where V6 kinda decades. Now it's turbocharged 4 bangers across the board. More power better mpgs and lighter cars.
      They need to drop 2.5T in the future Rs and call it a day.
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    14. 09-02-2012 08:09 PM #39
      That Mustang is a good example of what I'm talking about. I think that as far as the modern pony cars go, Ford did a better job look wise than Chrysler (Challenger, too big) and Chevy (Camaro, high belt line, ugh). That said, I don't like the Mustang either, but it does look better than the other two IMO. Mustang= Good performer for the money, maybe deals can be had, don't want. So, if you buy by the numbers, I envy you, life is simple. But for those that have to like the whole package, the devil is in the details.
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      09-02-2012 08:13 PM #40
      Quote Originally Posted by DIAF View Post
      Anyone who goes to a Ford dealership with $34k looking for a sporty car that leaves with a Focus is doing it wrong.

      I didn't go to the dealer looking for a boat though... Trust me, if I was a douchebag and wanted to show it the Mustang would be a no brainer
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      09-02-2012 08:18 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      That Mustang is a good example of what I'm talking about. I think that as far as the modern pnoy cars go, Ford did a better job look wise than Chrysler (Challenger, too big) and Chevy (Camaro, high belt line, ugh). That said, I don't like the Mustang either, but it does look better than the other two IMO. Mustang= Good performer for the money, maybe deals can be had, don't want. So, if you buy by the numbers, I envy you, life is simple. But for those that have to like the whole package, the devil is in the details.
      Ya, after driving a 2 door hatch for the past 5 years, I need 4 doors, cargo room, plus just love harchbacks. I need to testdrive it or get a ride in one first.

      Also, where's Hardcore4life? I saw he preordered a ST. He's local to me, so give me a ride bro! Lol
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      09-02-2012 08:26 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      The ms3 shouldn't be an option compared to this car.
      Let's see, 5 door hatch. Turbo. Manual. Yeah no direct comparison at all . My wife drove the MS3 and liked it, and this is after driving the "almighty" R32 for the past 4 years. Just because the MS3's interior doesn't live up to your expectations doesn't mean others find it just fine.
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      09-02-2012 08:27 PM #43
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      I didn't go to the dealer looking for a boat though... Trust me, if I was a douchebag and wanted to show it the Mustang would be a no brainer
      Wow. Just wow
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    19. 09-02-2012 08:30 PM #44
      That light blue car is just ugly. Yeah, Hardcore4life talked much smack, then disappeared. He promised pics and a review. After the buzz subsides and they get more, I'll test drive one for kicks.

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      09-02-2012 08:30 PM #45
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      I didn't go to the dealer looking for a boat though... Trust me, if I was a douchebag and wanted to show it the Mustang would be a no brainer
      Lol boat.

      A mustang gt blows these hot hatches away in performance.

    21. 09-02-2012 08:36 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by curvedinfinity View Post
      Lol boat.

      A mustang gt blows these hot hatches away in performance.
      Yup. In every form of motorsport.

      I stand by my original comment.

    22. 09-02-2012 08:40 PM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm0075 View Post
      Let's see, 5 door hatch. Turbo. Manual. Yeah no direct comparison at all . My wife drove the MS3 and liked it, and this is after driving the "almighty" R32 for the past 4 years. fine.
      Exactly. I am sure the Turbocharged Focus' targets were the GTI, MS3, and WRX - plus some euro models. Initials reviews claim the ST has the best amenities and comforts. I have yet to read a favorable review of the WRX or MS3's interior-- this was always the GTI's strong point.

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      09-02-2012 08:43 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by DIAF View Post
      Anyone who goes to a Ford dealership with $34k looking for a sporty car that leaves with a Focus is doing it wrong.
      Anyone who just shops by numbers is doing it wrong.

      To the OP: For what it's worth, I'm strongly considering a Focus ST, but I will also look at a WRX and a GTi. I've owned two GTI's and a 2004 R32 previously, so I know those well enough to just focus on the ST and WRX for a comparison.

      I was able to drive a base ST yesterday and thought it was pretty good. The suspension was well controlled. Shifter felt very good. I'd want the Recaros, definitely. Not sure yet about full leather and whether I want/need HIDs. Some things to consider...
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      09-02-2012 08:45 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by Burnette View Post
      That light blue car is just ugly. Yeah, Hardcore4life talked much smack, then disappeared. He promised pics and a review. After the buzz subsides and they get more, I'll test drive one for kicks.
      Huh, i don't have my St because the HID delays, i paid 29.850 for a fully loaded ST3, whoever pay $34.000,- for an ST2 needs to go to other dealers...

      http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchr...rce=TRAIL_HEAD

      fully loaded st2 goes for $27.000,-

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      09-02-2012 08:47 PM #50
      WTF $34k?

      MSRP is like $24k. Who is optioning a Focus up almost 50% above the base price?
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