Like I said my brother has a 08 Ms3 with a lot of work done to it, but he is over the poor quality interior. He wants the Fiesta ST when it comes out.
I think a better option for me at the moment is to go ahead and trade my molested mkv for a friends b7 A4 quattro tip, and trade the stock one in on the ST once the price comes down, and my hand works again.
the ST has excited me from first word of it, I love that there is a 'Murrikan competitor to all the Asian/German hot small cars, and that it's truly a worthy effort from Ford. I can't wait to see how the GTI VII stacks up against it. I love that you can now get cars from Ford other than the Mustang that are a scream to drive, and real performance machines.
The times they are a changin and most people will take a turbo four cylinder over an NA six cylinder with less HP and torque. The MKIV R32 was a cool car, and still is as well as the MKV, but the MKVI is a better car in every area.
You can't base car choice on numbers alone, well, you can, but somewhere in that decision you have to like if not love it too. ST threads seem to always turn into a VW VS Ford debate, but there are many cars were the high cost makes you wonder the same question, is it worth it?
The Mini Cooper S and JCW versions are a case in point. I hate the interiors, the car is kinda small, but I have been told by the dealer (ofcourse) and an owner (at a gas station) and read many posts here (expert TCL posterior knowledge pullers) that they are awesome driver's cars. Everytime I build/price them online, they come out so high that I would have a hard time passing up other cars in the high thirties to low forties.
Not buying a Cooper but I am driving one this coming weekend, dealer has a charity fund raising program were they let you drive a car, money gets donated to a charity for it.
So yeah, by the numbers the ST falls somewhere in there at the same level as or above GTI. People fork over serious dough for a funky interiored and small sized little Minis, I'm sure the ST will find fans.
There are way better cars out there for $34k. Under $30k I'm sure it gives the "usual suspects" run for their money.
BTW the original R was a 4cyl supercharged car. Early 1990s and early 2000s where V6 kinda decades. Now it's turbocharged 4 bangers across the board. More power better mpgs and lighter cars.
They need to drop 2.5T in the future Rs and call it a day.
That Mustang is a good example of what I'm talking about. I think that as far as the modern pony cars go, Ford did a better job look wise than Chrysler (Challenger, too big) and Chevy (Camaro, high belt line, ugh). That said, I don't like the Mustang either, but it does look better than the other two IMO. Mustang= Good performer for the money, maybe deals can be had, don't want. So, if you buy by the numbers, I envy you, life is simple. But for those that have to like the whole package, the devil is in the details.
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CTS-V 1st dyno: 461/472
CTS-V 2nd dyno: 500/501
CTS-V 3rd dyno: 521/510
CTS-V 4th dyno: 529/521
CTS-V 5th dyno: 586/618
To the OP: For what it's worth, I'm strongly considering a Focus ST, but I will also look at a WRX and a GTi. I've owned two GTI's and a 2004 R32 previously, so I know those well enough to just focus on the ST and WRX for a comparison.
I was able to drive a base ST yesterday and thought it was pretty good. The suspension was well controlled. Shifter felt very good. I'd want the Recaros, definitely. Not sure yet about full leather and whether I want/need HIDs. Some things to consider...
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