2013 Focus ST, worth it?

[Aonarch]

Meh........i rather have this

[gsprobe]

Mustang GT 5.0 premium STARTS at $34,000.

Focus ST starts at $24,000. To hit $34,000 you gotta add every available option, plus all taxes and dealer fees...

[cougar]

Mustang GT 5.0 premium STARTS at $34,000.

Focus ST starts at $24,000. To hit $34,000 you gotta add every available option, plus all taxes and dealer fees...

Honestly, I'd be quite content with a "base" 5.0 Premium. . But yeah, apples to hand grenade comparisons and whatnot.

[TM87]

There are way better cars out there for $34k. Under $30k I'm sure it gives the "usual suspects" run for their money.

BTW the original R was a 4cyl supercharged car. Early 1990s and early 2000s where V6 kinda decades. Now it's turbocharged 4 bangers across the board. More power better mpgs and lighter cars.
They need to drop 2.5T in the future Rs and call it a day.

[Burnette]

That Mustang is a good example of what I'm talking about. I think that as far as the modern pony cars go, Ford did a better job look wise than Chrysler (Challenger, too big) and Chevy (Camaro, high belt line, ugh). That said, I don't like the Mustang either, but it does look better than the other two IMO. Mustang= Good performer for the money, maybe deals can be had, don't want. So, if you buy by the numbers, I envy you, life is simple. But for those that have to like the whole package, the devil is in the details.

[kevin FaKiN spLits]

Anyone who goes to a Ford dealership with $34k looking for a sporty car that leaves with a Focus is doing it wrong.

I didn't go to the dealer looking for a boat though... Trust me, if I was a douchebag and wanted to show it the Mustang would be a no brainer

[kevin FaKiN spLits]

That Mustang is a good example of what I'm talking about. I think that as far as the modern pnoy cars go, Ford did a better job look wise than Chrysler (Challenger, too big) and Chevy (Camaro, high belt line, ugh). That said, I don't like the Mustang either, but it does look better than the other two IMO. Mustang= Good performer for the money, maybe deals can be had, don't want. So, if you buy by the numbers, I envy you, life is simple. But for those that have to like the whole package, the devil is in the details.

Ya, after driving a 2 door hatch for the past 5 years, I need 4 doors, cargo room, plus just love harchbacks. I need to testdrive it or get a ride in one first.

Also, where's Hardcore4life? I saw he preordered a ST. He's local to me, so give me a ride bro! Lol

[Wilhelm0075]

The ms3 shouldn't be an option compared to this car.

Let's see, 5 door hatch. Turbo. Manual. Yeah no direct comparison at all . My wife drove the MS3 and liked it, and this is after driving the "almighty" R32 for the past 4 years. Just because the MS3's interior doesn't live up to your expectations doesn't mean others find it just fine.

[Wilhelm0075]

I didn't go to the dealer looking for a boat though... Trust me, if I was a douchebag and wanted to show it the Mustang would be a no brainer

Wow. Just wow

[Burnette]

That light blue car is just ugly. Yeah, Hardcore4life talked much smack, then disappeared. He promised pics and a review. After the buzz subsides and they get more, I'll test drive one for kicks.

[curvedinfinity]

I didn't go to the dealer looking for a boat though... Trust me, if I was a douchebag and wanted to show it the Mustang would be a no brainer

Lol boat.

A mustang gt blows these hot hatches away in performance.

[DIAF]

Lol boat.

A mustang gt blows these hot hatches away in performance.

Yup. In every form of motorsport.

I stand by my original comment.

[gsprobe]

Let's see, 5 door hatch. Turbo. Manual. Yeah no direct comparison at all . My wife drove the MS3 and liked it, and this is after driving the "almighty" R32 for the past 4 years. fine.

Exactly. I am sure the Turbocharged Focus' targets were the GTI, MS3, and WRX - plus some euro models. Initials reviews claim the ST has the best amenities and comforts. I have yet to read a favorable review of the WRX or MS3's interior-- this was always the GTI's strong point.

[Max Rebo]

Anyone who goes to a Ford dealership with $34k looking for a sporty car that leaves with a Focus is doing it wrong.

Anyone who just shops by numbers is doing it wrong.

To the OP: For what it's worth, I'm strongly considering a Focus ST, but I will also look at a WRX and a GTi. I've owned two GTI's and a 2004 R32 previously, so I know those well enough to just focus on the ST and WRX for a comparison.

I was able to drive a base ST yesterday and thought it was pretty good. The suspension was well controlled. Shifter felt very good. I'd want the Recaros, definitely. Not sure yet about full leather and whether I want/need HIDs. Some things to consider...

[hardcore4life]

That light blue car is just ugly. Yeah, Hardcore4life talked much smack, then disappeared. He promised pics and a review. After the buzz subsides and they get more, I'll test drive one for kicks.

Huh, i don't have my St because the HID delays, i paid 29.850 for a fully loaded ST3, whoever pay $34.000,- for an ST2 needs to go to other dealers...

http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchr...rce=TRAIL_HEAD

fully loaded st2 goes for $27.000,-

[Wanganrunner]

WTF $34k?

MSRP is like $24k. Who is optioning a Focus up almost 50% above the base price?

[BRealistic]

Anyone who goes to a Ford dealership with $34k looking for a sporty car that leaves with a Focus is doing it wrong.

The Mustang GT offers great bang for the buck- but some people like smaller cars, they like cars with practical hatch areas.. maybe they need four doors?

Cars/trucks/SUVs/Vans all have their own personality.
Some vehicles may be more fun to drive to different drivers even if they lack the performance stats.

That being said ..$34k for a Focus ST that starts ate $24k?
I don't understand why people want to load up performance cars with lots of added cost and weight luxury features.

[Burnette]

OK, really want to know what new owners think about the car HC4L, so post pics and comments when it comes in. I forgot, what color are you getting?

[hardcore4life]

OK, really want to know what new owners think about the car HC4L, so post pics and comments when it comes in. I forgot, what color are you getting?

Tangerine Scream and i supposed to get my vin number in the coming weeks, i live in the cold so i need heated seats so i don't settle with the st2

[Burnette]

HC4L, BAM! You got the Scream! Cool, even better. With you on the heated seats, thought it was a gimmick until we got the Murano in '05 and the Jetta in '07, way to go in the cold.
Thanks for replying, keep us up to date.
For the Mustang fans, I wouldn't be so harsh as to judge mustang buyers, people are people, it's a decent car for the money, but numbers be danged, if you don't like a car, you don't like it.

[BRealistic]

Yeah.. heated seats are nice. I'll give you that one.

[kevin FaKiN spLits]

Tangerine Scream and i supposed to get my vin number in the coming weeks, i live in the cold so i need heated seats so i don't settle with the st2

Let me know when you get it. I'd love a ride in it. I can't test drive it because of my hand.

[kevin FaKiN spLits]

Lol boat.

A mustang gt blows these hot hatches away in performance.

Ya, I'm sure.

[kevin FaKiN spLits]

Let's see, 5 door hatch. Turbo. Manual. Yeah no direct comparison at all . My wife drove the MS3 and liked it, and this is after driving the "almighty" R32 for the past 4 years. Just because the MS3's interior doesn't live up to your expectations doesn't mean others find it just fine.

What did she like about it? Did she testdrive the mk1 or the mk2 ms3? My brother wants me to get one soo bad, but I hate all the cheap hard plastic in both generations. He has a mk1 on e85.

[DIAF]

Anyone who just shops by numbers is doing it wrong.

The Mustang is more fun to drive than any current FWD, so there's that too.

At $24k loaded it would make some sense. The base GT starts at $27k, so a $34k Focus is stupid.

Some day you guys who a defending the Focus over the Mustang for the same price will see how silly you sound.

[MFactor]

You ****ing tard, there's no "flag .:" bull**** on the Golf R. If anything, write it like Golf [R because that's what it has.

That being said, I think the ST is a great car but a little too expensive for the FWD hatchback segment.

You spend way too much time in here.

[Burnette]

This video is pure hype, but the ending is funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgsS3zMrlEs

[NoXenons]

Anyone who goes to a Ford dealership with $34k looking for a sporty car that leaves with a Focus is doing it wrong.

Anyone who leaves a Ford dealership with that wheel/tire combination on a Mustang is doing it wrong.

[DIAF]

Anyone who leaves a Ford dealership with that wheel/tire combination on a Mustang is doing it wrong.

I agree with that. :lol:

[BRealistic]

The Mustang is more fun to drive than any current FWD, so there's that too.

At $24k loaded it would make some sense. The base GT starts at $27k, so a $34k Focus is stupid.

Some day you guys who a defending the Focus over the Mustang for the same price will see how silly you sound.

It's just a matter of personal preference.
I honestly hate the "this is the best performance value and buying anything else is stupid" argument.
A front wheel drive performance hatch can make more sense as a package - especially up north.

Let me ask you this- Which would you rather drive now; a 2003 Ford Mustang GT or a 2003 Ford Focus SVT?

[TM87]

Some day you guys who a defending the Focus over the Mustang for the same price will see how silly you sound.

What part of 4dr hatchback didnt you understand???

How hard is it to understand, that when people need 4drs, they are looking for cars w 4drs. Not a faster 2dr for same money. Mustang can be a great bang for the bucks, but its a coupe. This dude needs 4drs, Let me repeat it again FOUR DOORS!!!

I would understand if you are talking about a sedan, but a coupe

[NoXenons]

Anyone who just shops by numbers is doing it wrong.

Tell that to Hyundai owners

[DIAF]

It's just a matter of personal preference.
I honestly hate the "this is the best performance value and buying anything else is stupid" argument.
A front wheel drive performance hatch can make more sense as a package - especially up north.

Let me ask you this- Which would you rather drive now; a 2003 Ford Mustang GT or a 2003 Ford Focus SVT?

I've driven both - I'd take the Mustang still.

I agree with regards to personal preference, but of it comes down to the same price, the focus is a silly choice.

Other people are free to spend their money however they want, however poorly I think of their decisions.

[Burnette]

Anyone who likes or buys a new 2013 Mustang is OK in my book, have at it.
What is silly is that, with over 290 million people in this country, some still can't understand that a neighbor will like or dislike things opposite of themselves. Shocker.

[DIAF]

What part of 4dr hatchback didnt you understand???

How hard is it to understand, that when people need 4drs, they are looking for cars w 4drs. Not a faster 2dr for same money. Mustang can be a great bang for the bucks, but its a coupe. This dude needs 4drs, Let me repeat it again FOUR DOORS!!!

I would understand if you are talking about a sedan, but a coupe

$34k is EVO/STI money.

4 door hatch. Eat the Focus' lunch all day everyday.

$34k for a Focus is dumb.