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    Thread: 2013 Focus ST, worth it?

    1. 09-02-2012 10:29 PM #71
      DIAF, I agree about the thirty four grand, don't know why they are asking (wondering if they are really getting any buyers at that price) for that much. As I stated, for about twenty nine grand, it's pretty much loaded here in NC.
      And, the fact that you care enough about your fellow man as to talk him out of a forty dollar sandwhich, well, you and I are solid bro. Unless that was one kick butt sandwhich. Then you done did me wrong.
      OK, now I'm hungry.

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      09-02-2012 10:29 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by DIAF View Post
      The Mustang is more fun to drive than any current FWD, so there's that too.

      At $24k loaded it would make some sense. The base GT starts at $27k, so a $34k Focus is stupid.

      Some day you guys who a defending the Focus over the Mustang for the same price will see how silly you sound.
      Sorry but mustang is way too unpractical to me, i have people who sit in the backseat



      Have fun putting people in there

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      09-02-2012 10:38 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by DIAF View Post
      The Mustang is more fun to drive than any current FWD, so there's that too.

      At $24k loaded it would make some sense. The base GT starts at $27k, so a $34k Focus is stupid.

      Some day you guys who a defending the Focus over the Mustang for the same price will see how silly you sound.
      Some day, you'll realize (or maybe you won't) that not everyone has the same preferences.
      Yes, I agree that $34k is stupid for a Focus ST. It shouldn't be any more than MSRP for the trim level in question.

      At least there are some reasonable people here that understand the practical differences between a 4-door hatchback and a 2-door sports car.
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      09-02-2012 10:42 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by DIAF View Post
      $34k is EVO/STI money.

      4 door hatch. Eat the Focus' lunch all day everyday.

      $34k for a Focus is dumb.
      Yeah well i'm not that stupid to pay $8000 over MSRP , like i said, whoever wants to pay $34k for the ST2 Focus needs to go to another dealer because you can buy the same fully loaded car for $27k ....

      Also Subaru and Mitsubishi might give you more power but it still have a Fisher Price quality interior ...i went to the Auto show in February and sat in the STI , well i don't think i could live with that car for years , interior quality and feel of the whole car makes me wonder if i can justify overpaying $15.000 for the car that has the $16.000,- econobox feel

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      09-02-2012 11:28 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by DIAF View Post
      I've driven both - I'd take the Mustang still.

      I agree with regards to personal preference, but of it comes down to the same price, the focus is a silly choice.

      Other people are free to spend their money however they want, however poorly I think of their decisions.
      Your criteria are obviously different. Try fitting a family of four, including full size child seats in a Mustang and tell me how convenient it is.
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      09-03-2012 12:45 AM #76
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Evo's plague is cabin drone, and raw comfort seats. Anyone hear anything on the forth coming Evo? Last I heard it would be diesel. That draws my fancy a little.
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    7. 09-03-2012 01:17 AM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by xtravbx View Post
      If truth, I want.
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Evo's plague is cabin drone, and raw comfort seats. Anyone hear anything on the forth coming Evo? Last I heard it would be diesel. That draws my fancy a little.
      The next Evo is going to be a diesel electric hybrid, if you want an Evo you may as well buy one now while you can....

      As for the Mustang, I fapped to it, praised it, then I actually drove it, and yeah its cool on paper but I would rather drive something else; I mean it feels reallllly cheap it makes my Ranger feel upscale lol.
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      09-03-2012 01:54 AM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by hardcore4life View Post
      Sorry but mustang is way too unpractical to me, i have people who sit in the backseat



      Have fun putting people in there
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      09-03-2012 01:55 AM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by DIAF View Post
      I've driven both - I'd take the Mustang still.

      I agree with regards to personal preference, but of it comes down to the same price, the focus is a silly choice.

      Other people are free to spend their money however they want, however poorly I think of their decisions.
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      09-03-2012 02:15 AM #80
      Quote Originally Posted by TM87 View Post
      What part of 4dr hatchback didnt you understand???

      How hard is it to understand, that when people need 4drs, they are looking for cars w 4drs. Not a faster 2dr for same money. Mustang can be a great bang for the bucks, but its a coupe. This dude needs 4drs, Let me repeat it again FOUR DOORS!!!
      Dood, I know you said you were in the market for a 2 bedroom condo, but you should totally buy an Aston Martin DBS instead. It's only slightly more money but it's way faster!!

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      09-03-2012 03:09 AM #81
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      09-03-2012 10:07 AM #82
      Quote Originally Posted by AE2058 View Post
      ST version is simply ugly. Wish the U.S would have gotten the Eurospec RS
      There is no RS version of the current Focus. Anywhere.

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      09-03-2012 10:31 AM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by brad@fifteen52 View Post
      There is no RS version of the current Focus. Anywhere.
      Unfortunately If they put the Volvo turbo 5 in it I would have left the dealer with it.

      Thinking I'll hold off till the Golf mk7 is revealed.

      And yes to the person that said I was implying 34k out the door, I was. That was without xenons on it. I think the sales guy said the xenons aren't available yet anyway, I was loopy on my pain meds
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      09-03-2012 10:34 AM #84
      Quote Originally Posted by hardcore4life View Post
      Yeah well i'm not that stupid to pay $8000 over MSRP , like i said, whoever wants to pay $34k for the ST2 Focus needs to go to another dealer because you can buy the same fully loaded car for $27k ....

      Also Subaru and Mitsubishi might give you more power but it still have a Fisher Price quality interior ...i went to the Auto show in February and sat in the STI , well i don't think i could live with that car for years , interior quality and feel of the whole car makes me wonder if i can justify overpaying $15.000 for the car that has the $16.000,- econobox feel
      Same here. I would have to upgrade that STI interior, by retrofitting my mkv R32 fronts and leather wrapping the dash, and whatever else to not feel like I'm in a plastic container.

      Ya, I'm shopping around. Make a few calls tomorrow.
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      09-03-2012 10:42 AM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by Vanilla_Coke View Post
      The next Evo is going to be a diesel electric hybrid, if you want an Evo you may as well buy one now while you can....

      As for the Mustang, I fapped to it, praised it, then I actually drove it, and yeah its cool on paper but I would rather drive something else; I mean it feels reallllly cheap it makes my Ranger feel upscale lol.
      Dang, that sucks. I'm sure it'll be a little better, well I hope

      Ya, I dont like the current Mustang at all. If I wanted two doors with a v8, and the luxury of AWD I would buy a used 07 S4 cabby.
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      09-03-2012 11:04 AM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by xtravbx View Post
      Are you in the market for a new car?

      Do you have other options youre considering?

      For 34k there are a lot of vehicles out there...
      Holy hell. Regal GS money.
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      09-03-2012 11:14 AM #87
      Also, some food for thought, since reading the last page... A ms3 stage 2 Cobb tuned is faster than a STI stg2 and Evo. I have high hopes for the ST in the power and reliability department. So I guess I left that out. It will be modded, suspension, lightweight wheels, tuned, turbo back, intake, new fmic, progressively of course
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      09-03-2012 12:15 PM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Same here. I would have to upgrade that STI interior, by retrofitting my mkv R32 fronts and leather wrapping the dash, and whatever else to not feel like I'm in a plastic container.

      Ya, I'm shopping around. Make a few calls tomorrow.
      It not just the dash feel cheap, when i opened the door it had that typical Asian door feel ,light and had no weight also when you close it it doesn't make that thump noise , also i hate that damned climate control knob .....


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      09-03-2012 12:38 PM #89
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      What did she like about it? Did she testdrive the mk1 or the mk2 ms3? My brother wants me to get one soo bad, but I hate all the cheap hard plastic in both generations. He has a mk1 on e85.
      Mk2. What did she like about it? The way it drove. I know in here is the land of dash strokers, but in the real world people usually look at what options they want and then decide on a car based on how it drives. She said the clutch wasn't finicky, the shifts were precise and it handled great.

      Quote Originally Posted by kraut_pauer79 View Post
      gotta agree, the MS3 and the ST are pretty well competitors. The Focus just has a way more nicely finished cabin and probably better all-around suspension tuning.
      Fully agree having been in both. I would prefer the ST personally, but it will be my wife's car, so it's her choice ultimately. Plus price may play a factor for her. Who knows. Not like I know what she wants even after 11 years
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      09-03-2012 03:21 PM #90
      Quote Originally Posted by Wilhelm0075 View Post
      Drove one and loved it. My wife is waiting to test drive one to decide between it and the MS3. And when we buy I won't be going off the dealer sheets or putting up with their BS. I'll go thru Costco and save myself a headache and several hours of "negotiating".
      i've been looking at the ms3 too. drove one and loved it. they're cheap and inconspicuous. people aren't really considering them. you can get a 2011 for about $22k from a dealer on ebay. much better bang for buck than the focus, especially if it's going to be over $30k.

      these cars come out and it's expected they'll be attainable for under $400-500 / month. like the bmw 1 series. we're like, nevermind! rather get a 3 series!

    21. 09-03-2012 06:02 PM #91
      Quote Originally Posted by DIAF View Post
      The Mustang is more fun to drive than any current FWD, so there's that too.

      At $24k loaded it would make some sense. The base GT starts at $27k, so a $34k Focus is stupid.
      There is no $34,000 focus ST. Period.

      FYI:

      Base GT is not at all near $27,000. Base GT is $30,000 minimum. Then add ~$800 freight, and ~$2,100 tax, and misc addl fees.
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      09-03-2012 06:49 PM #93
      Quote Originally Posted by gsprobe View Post
      There is no $34,000 focus ST. Period.

      FYI:

      Base GT is not at all near $27,000. Base GT is $30,000 minimum. Then add ~$800 freight, and ~$2,100 tax, and misc addl fees.
      The OP referenced paying $34k for a Focus. He later clarified it was + TTL.

      Right now there is $3,000 sitting on the hood of 2012 GT's, so it's a $27k car.



      I went and looked at USAA to see what their "no haggle" pricing was, a good benchmark for what people are actually paying, and it's under $26k before TTL.


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      09-03-2012 07:08 PM #94
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Why would I buy a .:R when the whole appeal was because of the AWD and vr6. The golf R is an abomination.
      Dude, the Golf R is a completely different car with a completely different appeal than the R32. Get over it. If your metric for a successful VW .:R model is that it has a VR6, then obviously a turbo-four isn't going to do it for you.

      But if you want a loaded GTI that's faster, edgier, and factory-reliable, that's your ticket. Oh, and the AWD, which is not insignificant.

      I see the new Focus ST as a Mazdaspeed3 done right...wider power band, more developed chassis, more conventional styling. Awesome car, but I wonder if it's for a slightly different buyer than a Golf R. I know a lot of people that bought Golf Rs specifically because they didn't want another BMW or Audi. They wanted something edgier that flies under the radar but is still sophisticated and Euro-styled. Focus ST buyers are probably coming from cheaper cars --not more expensive ones --and are more likely to choose the orange paint and flashy wheels (not that there's anything wrong with that).

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      I love that there is a 'Murrikan competitor to all the Asian/German hot small cars, and that it's truly a worthy effort from Ford. I can't wait to see how the GTI VII stacks up against it. I love that you can now get cars from Ford other than the Mustang that are a scream to drive, and real performance machines.
      to this. An American hot-hatch that isn't using massive amounts of power to excuse its shortcomings? Paint mine red, white and blue, please.
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      While I am most certainly not the target demographic of a Focus ST, I applaud Ford for bringing this thing to market. It sure does offer a lot of bang for your buck, and it's wrapped in a package that's not too "look at me". That said, approaching $30K for this car is getting a little insane. Hell, a $30K GTI is also insane in my book. But for my money, I'd choose the GTI every single time.

      And what the Focus ST will do is up the ante for the competition. That means VW will have to give a significant power boost to their next Golf R to further distance itself from the power output of this Focus. While those 2 cars don't necessarily compete, they are both considered hot hatches. And a $10K premium for the AWD Golf R is a hefty premium indeed if it doesn't come with a healthy power increase as well.
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      This would be the real no brainer, arrived today to Mexican soil, 265 hp, brembo big brakes, for the equivalent of $27,000 USD, too bad you can´t get it there
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      One big reason i buy the ST because i try to support local economy , but i'm not trying to bring politics in this thread, but i'm also the person who would go to local market and pay 1-2 bucks more for an apple rather then go to Walmart and save a buck or two

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      09-04-2012 05:31 PM #98
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Got the call Friday from local dealer they've got a few in stock to come look at. Can't argue with the cars performance aspect, and its impressive numbers it puts down, but $34,000 out the door for nav, and Recaros? 27k sticker without nav, and Recaros
      Seems a bit overpriced if the dealer is asking $34k. Online a Full leather Leather + Nav Package (202A) for me shows $28,9k

      My local dealer is asking $29,092 OTD for a yellow one with the partial leather and NAV (201A with Nav and power sunroof)
      I think it's cheaper to just get the 202A package
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      Quote Originally Posted by hardcore4life View Post
      One big reason i buy the ST because i try to support local economy , but i'm not trying to bring politics in this thread, but i'm also the person who would go to local market and pay 1-2 bucks more for an apple rather then go to Walmart and save a buck or two
      Same reason for me. I'm waiting a couple months, to decide between the ST and upcoming mk7. Currently trying to trade the mkv plus cash for a v6 b7 A4 Avant.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Perio5 View Post
      This would be the real no brainer, arrived today to Mexican soil, 265 hp, brembo big brakes, for the equivalent of $27,000 USD, too bad you can´t get it there
      And if we did get that, I would highly consider. It's basically a mkv anyway. All VW part #'s
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      Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
      Seems a bit overpriced if the dealer is asking $34k. Online a Full leather Leather + Nav Package (202A) for me shows $28,9k

      My local dealer is asking $29,092 OTD for a yellow one with the partial leather and NAV (201A with Nav and power sunroof)
      I think it's cheaper to just get the 202A package
      http://www.inventory.ford.com/servic...26856&refid=FD
      Plus I thought I mentioned I have a stock mkv that would get traded in toward one, at 13k$ and I have $8k saved, and finance the rest. My issue was merely the point of the attempted over charge. My local Subaru dealer did the same thing with the BRZ when it came out. Told me the average price they sold them for created a perceived demand 5 grand above msrp, and they would not play ball. Even pulled up asking prices from other dealers, and FT86forum and they didn't care. Wlaked and I'm glad I did. I think in the long run I would have been miserable with the BRZ.
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      build it on Ford.com and it'll give you local dealers with the window stickers

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      build it on Ford.com and it'll give you local dealers with the window stickers
      I will. For now going with a Avant, and will sell my modified mkv for either a ST or mk7 GTI once its released, I'm healed and can test drive both.
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      09-07-2012 10:32 AM #104
      I didn't have time to read everything in this thread (yet), but I thought I'd share a couple things for anyone seriously interested in potentially buying an ST. If you're not, skim it.

      First, yes, I'm buying an ST. I considered the GTI (and MS3, and Veloster Turbo, and WRX, and...) but because the ST offers a great performance package at a very very competitive price, and that I'm a Ford enthusiast, it was the obvious choice.

      About the "$34k" number... if you're paying that for an ST, you're doing it wrong and getting screwed on the deal (IMHO). Yes, a loaded ST3 (all leather power/heated Recaros, HIDs, nav/Sony/MFT, etc.) with the Tangerine Scream paint, moon roof, and even the engine block heater will top out at just over $30k MSRP. Add tax/title/tag, and you should still be under $32k IF YOU PAY MSRP.

      But here's the thing... there's no good reason to pay MSRP or above. The Focus ST is eligible for Ford's AXZD discount pricing plans (for employees, friends/family, associates, etc.), and anyone can become eligible for one of the discount pricing plans. ANYONE. For example, I'm using X plan for my ST purchase, which I'm getting because I know a Ford employee who is "gifting" it to me. But you can actually get X plan qualified a bunch of ways, including by joining any number of awesome clubs (automotive or not), such as the Mustang Club of America or SVT Owners Association. There's even riding, hunting, flying, and diving clubs that offer Ford X plan as a membership benefit. Join the club, become eligible for X plan, that simple (mostly).

      Now, once your eligible for a discount plan, all you've got to do is find a dealership that will honor it. No, they're not required to, but Ford does "strongly encourage" it. But the good news is that many of us have found dealerships that will honor X plan on our purchases of the Focus ST. Simply playing a couple dealerships against one another makes it easy.

      So, what does X plan get you? Well, MSRP on my ST3 was going to be $28,930 (no moon roof or fancy paint), plus the dealership's $700 "doc fee". On X plan, the ST price, including doc fees comes down to right around $27,550 ($1400 off MSRP), and the dealership CANNOT add any additional fees according to Ford's X plan policies. That means I'm paying around $29,600 out the door with Florida sales tax ($1600) and a new tag ($450).

      Now I don't know what kind of discounts/rebates/deals you can get on a GTI Autobahn, but I know invoice on a 4 door Autobahn 6 speed is over $29,350-ish... $2k over X plan for comparably equipped (higher performance) Focus ST. Ford's clearly done their homework here and priced the ST very aggressively against the GTI.

      BTW, for whatever it's worth, a couple videos posted in the last few days show stock ST's putting down 234whp/253wtq, and Steeda Autosports posted a 14.4 @ 97mph (on a hot damp Florida night).
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      09-07-2012 11:04 AM #105
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      I didn't have time to read everything in this thread (yet), but I thought I'd share a couple things for anyone seriously interested in potentially buying an ST. If you're not, skim it.

      First, yes, I'm buying an ST. I considered the GTI (and MS3, and Veloster Turbo, and WRX, and...) but because the ST offers a great performance package at a very very competitive price, and that I'm a Ford enthusiast, it was the obvious choice.

      About the "$34k" number... if you're paying that for an ST, you're doing it wrong and getting screwed on the deal (IMHO). Yes, a loaded ST3 (all leather power/heated Recaros, HIDs, nav/Sony/MFT, etc.) with the Tangerine Scream paint, moon roof, and even the engine block heater will top out at just over $30k MSRP. Add tax/title/tag, and you should still be under $32k IF YOU PAY MSRP.

      But here's the thing... there's no good reason to pay MSRP or above. The Focus ST is eligible for Ford's AXZD discount pricing plans (for employees, friends/family, associates, etc.), and anyone can become eligible for one of the discount pricing plans. ANYONE. For example, I'm using X plan for my ST purchase, which I'm getting because I know a Ford employee who is "gifting" it to me. But you can actually get X plan qualified a bunch of ways, including by joining any number of awesome clubs (automotive or not), such as the Mustang Club of America or SVT Owners Association. There's even riding, hunting, flying, and diving clubs that offer Ford X plan as a membership benefit. Join the club, become eligible for X plan, that simple (mostly).

      Now, once your eligible for a discount plan, all you've got to do is find a dealership that will honor it. No, they're not required to, but Ford does "strongly encourage" it. But the good news is that many of us have found dealerships that will honor X plan on our purchases of the Focus ST. Simply playing a couple dealerships against one another makes it easy.

      So, what does X plan get you? Well, MSRP on my ST3 was going to be $28,930 (no moon roof or fancy paint), plus the dealership's $700 "doc fee". On X plan, the ST price, including doc fees comes down to right around $27,550 ($1400 off MSRP), and the dealership CANNOT add any additional fees according to Ford's X plan policies. That means I'm paying around $29,600 out the door with Florida sales tax ($1600) and a new tag ($450).

      Now I don't know what kind of discounts/rebates/deals you can get on a GTI Autobahn, but I know invoice on a 4 door Autobahn 6 speed is over $29,350-ish... $2k over X plan for comparably equipped (higher performance) Focus ST. Ford's clearly done their homework here and priced the ST very aggressively against the GTI.

      BTW, for whatever it's worth, a couple videos posted in the last few days show stock ST's putting down 234whp/253wtq, and Steeda Autosports posted a 14.4 @ 97mph (on a hot damp Florida night).
      Good post. I plan to test drive 5 cars this fall: MS3, WRX, Focus ST, Verano Turbo, GTI. I WANT to like the WRX the best, because i like the idea of AWD, but we'll see if I can deal with the downgrade in the interior vs the ST, Verano, and GTI. In terms of price, loaded the way i want, they're all going to be similarly priced, except the MS3 which will be quite a bit cheaper. Although, in that case I'd probably budget to spend $1k+ getting the hideous red interior replaced with leather aftermarket...

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