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      09-04-2012 06:31 PM #101
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Got the call Friday from local dealer they've got a few in stock to come look at. Can't argue with the cars performance aspect, and its impressive numbers it puts down, but $34,000 out the door for nav, and Recaros? 27k sticker without nav, and Recaros
      Seems a bit overpriced if the dealer is asking $34k. Online a Full leather Leather + Nav Package (202A) for me shows $28,9k

      My local dealer is asking $29,092 OTD for a yellow one with the partial leather and NAV (201A with Nav and power sunroof)
      I think it's cheaper to just get the 202A package
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      09-04-2012 06:40 PM #102
      Quote Originally Posted by hardcore4life View Post
      One big reason i buy the ST because i try to support local economy , but i'm not trying to bring politics in this thread, but i'm also the person who would go to local market and pay 1-2 bucks more for an apple rather then go to Walmart and save a buck or two
      Same reason for me. I'm waiting a couple months, to decide between the ST and upcoming mk7. Currently trying to trade the mkv plus cash for a v6 b7 A4 Avant.
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      09-04-2012 06:43 PM #103
      Quote Originally Posted by Perio5 View Post
      This would be the real no brainer, arrived today to Mexican soil, 265 hp, brembo big brakes, for the equivalent of $27,000 USD, too bad you can´t get it there
      And if we did get that, I would highly consider. It's basically a mkv anyway. All VW part #'s
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      09-04-2012 06:51 PM #104
      Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
      Seems a bit overpriced if the dealer is asking $34k. Online a Full leather Leather + Nav Package (202A) for me shows $28,9k

      My local dealer is asking $29,092 OTD for a yellow one with the partial leather and NAV (201A with Nav and power sunroof)
      I think it's cheaper to just get the 202A package
      http://www.inventory.ford.com/servic...26856&refid=FD
      Plus I thought I mentioned I have a stock mkv that would get traded in toward one, at 13k$ and I have $8k saved, and finance the rest. My issue was merely the point of the attempted over charge. My local Subaru dealer did the same thing with the BRZ when it came out. Told me the average price they sold them for created a perceived demand 5 grand above msrp, and they would not play ball. Even pulled up asking prices from other dealers, and FT86forum and they didn't care. Wlaked and I'm glad I did. I think in the long run I would have been miserable with the BRZ.
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      09-04-2012 06:59 PM #105
      build it on Ford.com and it'll give you local dealers with the window stickers

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      09-04-2012 07:03 PM #106
      Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
      build it on Ford.com and it'll give you local dealers with the window stickers
      I will. For now going with a Avant, and will sell my modified mkv for either a ST or mk7 GTI once its released, I'm healed and can test drive both.
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      09-07-2012 11:32 AM #107
      I didn't have time to read everything in this thread (yet), but I thought I'd share a couple things for anyone seriously interested in potentially buying an ST. If you're not, skim it.

      First, yes, I'm buying an ST. I considered the GTI (and MS3, and Veloster Turbo, and WRX, and...) but because the ST offers a great performance package at a very very competitive price, and that I'm a Ford enthusiast, it was the obvious choice.

      About the "$34k" number... if you're paying that for an ST, you're doing it wrong and getting screwed on the deal (IMHO). Yes, a loaded ST3 (all leather power/heated Recaros, HIDs, nav/Sony/MFT, etc.) with the Tangerine Scream paint, moon roof, and even the engine block heater will top out at just over $30k MSRP. Add tax/title/tag, and you should still be under $32k IF YOU PAY MSRP.

      But here's the thing... there's no good reason to pay MSRP or above. The Focus ST is eligible for Ford's AXZD discount pricing plans (for employees, friends/family, associates, etc.), and anyone can become eligible for one of the discount pricing plans. ANYONE. For example, I'm using X plan for my ST purchase, which I'm getting because I know a Ford employee who is "gifting" it to me. But you can actually get X plan qualified a bunch of ways, including by joining any number of awesome clubs (automotive or not), such as the Mustang Club of America or SVT Owners Association. There's even riding, hunting, flying, and diving clubs that offer Ford X plan as a membership benefit. Join the club, become eligible for X plan, that simple (mostly).

      Now, once your eligible for a discount plan, all you've got to do is find a dealership that will honor it. No, they're not required to, but Ford does "strongly encourage" it. But the good news is that many of us have found dealerships that will honor X plan on our purchases of the Focus ST. Simply playing a couple dealerships against one another makes it easy.

      So, what does X plan get you? Well, MSRP on my ST3 was going to be $28,930 (no moon roof or fancy paint), plus the dealership's $700 "doc fee". On X plan, the ST price, including doc fees comes down to right around $27,550 ($1400 off MSRP), and the dealership CANNOT add any additional fees according to Ford's X plan policies. That means I'm paying around $29,600 out the door with Florida sales tax ($1600) and a new tag ($450).

      Now I don't know what kind of discounts/rebates/deals you can get on a GTI Autobahn, but I know invoice on a 4 door Autobahn 6 speed is over $29,350-ish... $2k over X plan for comparably equipped (higher performance) Focus ST. Ford's clearly done their homework here and priced the ST very aggressively against the GTI.

      BTW, for whatever it's worth, a couple videos posted in the last few days show stock ST's putting down 234whp/253wtq, and Steeda Autosports posted a 14.4 @ 97mph (on a hot damp Florida night).
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      09-07-2012 12:04 PM #108
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      I didn't have time to read everything in this thread (yet), but I thought I'd share a couple things for anyone seriously interested in potentially buying an ST. If you're not, skim it.

      First, yes, I'm buying an ST. I considered the GTI (and MS3, and Veloster Turbo, and WRX, and...) but because the ST offers a great performance package at a very very competitive price, and that I'm a Ford enthusiast, it was the obvious choice.

      About the "$34k" number... if you're paying that for an ST, you're doing it wrong and getting screwed on the deal (IMHO). Yes, a loaded ST3 (all leather power/heated Recaros, HIDs, nav/Sony/MFT, etc.) with the Tangerine Scream paint, moon roof, and even the engine block heater will top out at just over $30k MSRP. Add tax/title/tag, and you should still be under $32k IF YOU PAY MSRP.

      But here's the thing... there's no good reason to pay MSRP or above. The Focus ST is eligible for Ford's AXZD discount pricing plans (for employees, friends/family, associates, etc.), and anyone can become eligible for one of the discount pricing plans. ANYONE. For example, I'm using X plan for my ST purchase, which I'm getting because I know a Ford employee who is "gifting" it to me. But you can actually get X plan qualified a bunch of ways, including by joining any number of awesome clubs (automotive or not), such as the Mustang Club of America or SVT Owners Association. There's even riding, hunting, flying, and diving clubs that offer Ford X plan as a membership benefit. Join the club, become eligible for X plan, that simple (mostly).

      Now, once your eligible for a discount plan, all you've got to do is find a dealership that will honor it. No, they're not required to, but Ford does "strongly encourage" it. But the good news is that many of us have found dealerships that will honor X plan on our purchases of the Focus ST. Simply playing a couple dealerships against one another makes it easy.

      So, what does X plan get you? Well, MSRP on my ST3 was going to be $28,930 (no moon roof or fancy paint), plus the dealership's $700 "doc fee". On X plan, the ST price, including doc fees comes down to right around $27,550 ($1400 off MSRP), and the dealership CANNOT add any additional fees according to Ford's X plan policies. That means I'm paying around $29,600 out the door with Florida sales tax ($1600) and a new tag ($450).

      Now I don't know what kind of discounts/rebates/deals you can get on a GTI Autobahn, but I know invoice on a 4 door Autobahn 6 speed is over $29,350-ish... $2k over X plan for comparably equipped (higher performance) Focus ST. Ford's clearly done their homework here and priced the ST very aggressively against the GTI.

      BTW, for whatever it's worth, a couple videos posted in the last few days show stock ST's putting down 234whp/253wtq, and Steeda Autosports posted a 14.4 @ 97mph (on a hot damp Florida night).
      Good post. I plan to test drive 5 cars this fall: MS3, WRX, Focus ST, Verano Turbo, GTI. I WANT to like the WRX the best, because i like the idea of AWD, but we'll see if I can deal with the downgrade in the interior vs the ST, Verano, and GTI. In terms of price, loaded the way i want, they're all going to be similarly priced, except the MS3 which will be quite a bit cheaper. Although, in that case I'd probably budget to spend $1k+ getting the hideous red interior replaced with leather aftermarket...

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      09-07-2012 12:46 PM #109
      This whole thread is borked because people are comparing the OPs GET RAPED price plus tax, title, license, and extra rape fees to the MSRP on the competition. The ST is not comparable on price to the R, Evo, or anything else in that range.
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      Not that I'm ready to buy, but the company I work for has this with Ford. Now I know how it works. Thanks so much 👍

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      09-07-2012 12:53 PM #111
      Quote Originally Posted by Chmeeee View Post
      This whole thread is borked because people are comparing the OPs GET RAPED price plus tax, title, license, and extra rape fees to the MSRP on the competition. The ST is not comparable on price to the R, Evo, or anything else in that range.
      That's why I ignored the Mustang posts mostly. 34k sure, but add the rape fees not the same.
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    12. 09-07-2012 01:14 PM #112
      Quote Originally Posted by DIAF View Post
      The OP referenced paying $34k for a Focus. He later clarified it was + TTL.

      Right now there is $3,000 sitting on the hood of 2012 GT's, so it's a $27k car.

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      So now we aren't even comparing the same model year?

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      09-07-2012 02:00 PM #113
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      That's why I ignored the Mustang posts mostly. 34k sure, but add the rape fees not the same.
      No, not $34k. If you're paying anywhere over $29k for an ST2 out the door, you've been had. At $34k, your dealer is pretty far on his way to paying off his vacation home.
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      09-07-2012 02:13 PM #114
      I'm just gonna re-re-post this to help filter out the OMG$34KWTF! crowd.

      I am extremely interested in getting an ST, but will wait until the second year of production simply because I'm paranoid of teething issues with any new model.

      By the time I'm really ready to make a move it will com down to two vehicles---Focus ST or Mk7 GTI.



      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      I didn't have time to read everything in this thread (yet), but I thought I'd share a couple things for anyone seriously interested in potentially buying an ST. If you're not, skim it.

      First, yes, I'm buying an ST. I considered the GTI (and MS3, and Veloster Turbo, and WRX, and...) but because the ST offers a great performance package at a very very competitive price, and that I'm a Ford enthusiast, it was the obvious choice.

      About the "$34k" number... if you're paying that for an ST, you're doing it wrong and getting screwed on the deal (IMHO). Yes, a loaded ST3 (all leather power/heated Recaros, HIDs, nav/Sony/MFT, etc.) with the Tangerine Scream paint, moon roof, and even the engine block heater will top out at just over $30k MSRP. Add tax/title/tag, and you should still be under $32k IF YOU PAY MSRP.

      But here's the thing... there's no good reason to pay MSRP or above. The Focus ST is eligible for Ford's AXZD discount pricing plans (for employees, friends/family, associates, etc.), and anyone can become eligible for one of the discount pricing plans. ANYONE. For example, I'm using X plan for my ST purchase, which I'm getting because I know a Ford employee who is "gifting" it to me. But you can actually get X plan qualified a bunch of ways, including by joining any number of awesome clubs (automotive or not), such as the Mustang Club of America or SVT Owners Association. There's even riding, hunting, flying, and diving clubs that offer Ford X plan as a membership benefit. Join the club, become eligible for X plan, that simple (mostly).

      Now, once your eligible for a discount plan, all you've got to do is find a dealership that will honor it. No, they're not required to, but Ford does "strongly encourage" it. But the good news is that many of us have found dealerships that will honor X plan on our purchases of the Focus ST. Simply playing a couple dealerships against one another makes it easy.

      So, what does X plan get you? Well, MSRP on my ST3 was going to be $28,930 (no moon roof or fancy paint), plus the dealership's $700 "doc fee". On X plan, the ST price, including doc fees comes down to right around $27,550 ($1400 off MSRP), and the dealership CANNOT add any additional fees according to Ford's X plan policies. That means I'm paying around $29,600 out the door with Florida sales tax ($1600) and a new tag ($450).

      Now I don't know what kind of discounts/rebates/deals you can get on a GTI Autobahn, but I know invoice on a 4 door Autobahn 6 speed is over $29,350-ish... $2k over X plan for comparably equipped (higher performance) Focus ST. Ford's clearly done their homework here and priced the ST very aggressively against the GTI.

      BTW, for whatever it's worth, a couple videos posted in the last few days show stock ST's putting down 234whp/253wtq, and Steeda Autosports posted a 14.4 @ 97mph (on a hot damp Florida night).
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      09-07-2012 02:52 PM #115
      If my post helps anyone, I'm glad.

      My connection to the ST is a bit more involved than just being an enthusiast and buyer now. I'm also currently involved in the development of the North American ST Owners Club (NASTOC) with several others from around the country, as a non-profit organization dedicated to enhancing and fostering fellow ST owners' and fans' enjoyment of the cars. You can check out our website at http://www.nastoc.org/Home.html, though our facebook page is currently much more active (https://www.facebook.com/NASTOClub). We post stuff like updates on production stuff, ST related news, club news and info, etc. if anyone is interested.
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      09-07-2012 03:03 PM #116
      Sorta on the discount note, I think VW also honors invoice pricing for being SCCA members....I already got invoice price when I bought my car through work, but its not until I joined SCCA that I found this out...

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      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      If my post helps anyone, I'm glad.

      My connection to the ST is a bit more involved than just being an enthusiast and buyer now. I'm also currently involved in the development of the North American ST Owners Club (NASTOC) with several others from around the country, as a non-profit organization dedicated to enhancing and fostering fellow ST owners' and fans' enjoyment of the cars. You can check out our website at http://www.nastoc.org/Home.html, though our facebook page is currently much more active (https://www.facebook.com/NASTOClub). We post stuff like updates on production stuff, ST related news, club news and info, etc. if anyone is interested.
      You'll be hearing from us then, for sure

      We've a cool ST project we've started with Ford and Ken Block and would definitely like to work with you guys if you're up for it. And FWIW I'm in Sarasota half of each month

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      Quote Originally Posted by brad@fifteen52 View Post
      You'll be hearing from us then, for sure

      We've a cool ST project we've started with Ford and Ken Block and would definitely like to work with you guys if you're up for it. And FWIW I'm in Sarasota half of each month
      Actually Brad, the feeling is mutual and we saw the obvious connection with you guys. Would love to talk!
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      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      Actually Brad, the feeling is mutual and we saw the obvious connection with you guys. Would love to talk!
      Excellent. We're receiving 3 STs next week here in LA and then I'll be back in SRQ the following week. Let's try to get together then, if possible.

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      Quote Originally Posted by brad@fifteen52 View Post
      Excellent. We're receiving 3 STs next week here in LA and then I'll be back in SRQ the following week. Let's try to get together then, if possible.
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      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
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      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Why would I buy a .:R when the whole appeal was because of the AWD and vr6. The golf R is an abomination.
      the new R is in every single way a better automotive car then the R32s were.

      i find it interesting that some in this thread are talking about the R being the performance bargain compared to ANY other car. that just seems a bit wild to me ....
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      I own a Golf R and I'm going to go test drive a Focus ST once they become available ... I'd like to see how much better or equivalent it is to a GTI/R ...

      PS: Overboost sounds interesting on the ST
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      Quote Originally Posted by brakedust View Post
      I own a Golf R and I'm going to go test drive a Focus ST once they become available ... I'd like to see how much better or equivalent it is to a GTI/R ...

      PS: Overboost sounds interesting on the ST
      Check your local dealers about the ST ASAP. They've been hitting dealer floors for the last 2 weeks. We just got one locally (here in Florida) today, but you should have 'em in your area much sooner the closer you are to Michigan.
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      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      Check your local dealers about the ST ASAP. They've been hitting dealer floors for the last 2 weeks. We just got one locally (here in Florida) today, but you should have 'em in your area much sooner the closer you are to Michigan.
      I went in today, they said they will have some by the end of September.

      I'll keep my eye out, I'm rather curious more than anything.
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