If we got out for lunch and I have the ham sandwich instead of the turkey, am I too dumb to hang with then? Seems only logical by the path layed out.
Looked at pics of '07 GS 350 AWD seeing as you have one. Big ugly jelly bean, Toyota's answer to Buick for the greying demographic, and you bought it the same time I got a silly Jetta. But I would almost bet that if I got to drive/keep your GS, I would push my Jetta under a rug. Better car by far, ain't even going to try to compare.
But really, for the money you paid, you could have done better. Ha!
Just kidding, your car rocks, I like it, and seriously, calling people dumb just for liking the ST, well, it looks bad against the rock thrower.
Last edited by DIAF; 09-02-2012 at 10:27 PM.
DIAF, I agree about the thirty four grand, don't know why they are asking (wondering if they are really getting any buyers at that price) for that much. As I stated, for about twenty nine grand, it's pretty much loaded here in NC.
And, the fact that you care enough about your fellow man as to talk him out of a forty dollar sandwhich, well, you and I are solid bro. Unless that was one kick butt sandwhich. Then you done did me wrong.
OK, now I'm hungry.
Yes, I agree that $34k is stupid for a Focus ST. It shouldn't be any more than MSRP for the trim level in question.
At least there are some reasonable people here that understand the practical differences between a 4-door hatchback and a 2-door sports car.
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Also Subaru and Mitsubishi might give you more power but it still have a Fisher Price quality interior ...i went to the Auto show in February and sat in the STI , well i don't think i could live with that car for years , interior quality and feel of the whole car makes me wonder if i can justify overpaying $15.000 for the car that has the $16.000,- econobox feel
diesel electric hybrid, if you want an Evo you may as well buy one now while you can....
As for the Mustang, I fapped to it, praised it, then I actually drove it, and yeah its cool on paper but I would rather drive something else; I mean it feels reallllly cheap it makes my Ranger feel upscale lol.
Thinking I'll hold off till the Golf mk7 is revealed.
And yes to the person that said I was implying 34k out the door, I was. That was without xenons on it. I think the sales guy said the xenons aren't available yet anyway, I was loopy on my pain meds
Also, some food for thought, since reading the last page... A ms3 stage 2 Cobb tuned is faster than a STI stg2 and Evo. I have high hopes for the ST in the power and reliability department. So I guess I left that out. It will be modded, suspension, lightweight wheels, tuned, turbo back, intake, new fmic, progressively of course
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these cars come out and it's expected they'll be attainable for under $400-500 / month. like the bmw 1 series. we're like, nevermind! rather get a 3 series!
Right now there is $3,000 sitting on the hood of 2012 GT's, so it's a $27k car.
I went and looked at USAA to see what their "no haggle" pricing was, a good benchmark for what people are actually paying, and it's under $26k before TTL.
But if you want a loaded GTI that's faster, edgier, and factory-reliable, that's your ticket. Oh, and the AWD, which is not insignificant.
I see the new Focus ST as a Mazdaspeed3 done right...wider power band, more developed chassis, more conventional styling. Awesome car, but I wonder if it's for a slightly different buyer than a Golf R. I know a lot of people that bought Golf Rs specifically because they didn't want another BMW or Audi. They wanted something edgier that flies under the radar but is still sophisticated and Euro-styled. Focus ST buyers are probably coming from cheaper cars --not more expensive ones --and are more likely to choose the orange paint and flashy wheels (not that there's anything wrong with that).
Last edited by Charlie84; 09-03-2012 at 07:15 PM.
DD: 2012 GLI
Gone but not forgotten: 2010 Golf 2.5
Summer fun: 1995 M3
Former E36 318i driver and self-appointed Chairman of the Momentum Preservation Society.
While I am most certainly not the target demographic of a Focus ST, I applaud Ford for bringing this thing to market. It sure does offer a lot of bang for your buck, and it's wrapped in a package that's not too "look at me". That said, approaching $30K for this car is getting a little insane. Hell, a $30K GTI is also insane in my book. But for my money, I'd choose the GTI every single time.
And what the Focus ST will do is up the ante for the competition. That means VW will have to give a significant power boost to their next Golf R to further distance itself from the power output of this Focus. While those 2 cars don't necessarily compete, they are both considered hot hatches. And a $10K premium for the AWD Golf R is a hefty premium indeed if it doesn't come with a healthy power increase as well.
Current VWs: 'MKV TR R32 (#3687), MKIV TR R32
Past VWs: '88 Fox, '93 Fox, '95 Jetta, '96 Jetta Trek, '99.5 Jetta VR6, '01 Jetta GLX VR6
One big reason i buy the ST because i try to support local economy , but i'm not trying to bring politics in this thread, but i'm also the person who would go to local market and pay 1-2 bucks more for an apple rather then go to Walmart and save a buck or two
My local dealer is asking $29,092 OTD for a yellow one with the partial leather and NAV (201A with Nav and power sunroof)
I think it's cheaper to just get the 202A package