It's f***ing worth it alright.
I want one now, goddammit!
That said, the ST will likely be a GS car, where it will compete, or a DS car will it will be buried.
(I'm an SCCA guy in case you haven't picked that up yet)
Either way, for the same, or less money, I'd have the Mustang and play in FS.
But I recognize that I'm not everyone.
Though I think we all agree with my original comment that $34k for a Focus is DIW.
Talking about engine, it's quite nice and powered, but I don't like the Mk3's looks.
It's hard to think back to the days of the original Focus now. A car that took an age-old and worn-out model (Escort) and renewed in almost every way with what has to have been the best hatchback of the last 14 years. Design wise, both looks and mechanically it was a car that never really needed to be changed. But they did, and they've over styled it ever since. Its become more and more German, and its faded away into the abyss that is the the hatchback market. It no longer stands out. It no longer has any individuality. Its big bulky and ugly. Everything that the Ford Focus is not. European Mk 2 was very bland, but it's facelift (2008-2011) was quite nice.
As for the ST, I suspect it will be lumped in with the MS3 in D Stock simply because of the hp edge over the current GTI. I actually warned others about this back when the ST was first announced, and I absolutely agree that it won't be terribly competitive. The only way it might have an edge is in a Road Tire class, but we'll just have to wait and see.
Also the upcoming Fiesta ST has my interest as well. 180hp, 177tq I read, that thing will be a little terrorist in the fwd class.
Also anyone know the price tag on the ST race car? I asked the dealer but they don't know, they have to look into it.
Oh, I agree with you about the ST being best all-round hot hatch available in the US right now, but I don't think it'll be as highly competitive in SCCA's D Stock class where it will compete with not just the MS3 and Mustang V6, but also the ITR, Cooper S, WRX, BMW 1 and 3 series, Audi A3, S4, and TT quattro. It's a class full of stiff competition and all of those cars have more and better development right now.
BTW, the Focus ST-R race car is something on the order of $99k I believe. It's a lot, but it's a real turnkey race car, from the cage to data logging. My hope is that next year Ford offers a "performance pack" Focus ST for the really hardcore weekend racers. Strip down the ST to bare essentials (i.e. no fancy stereo or MFT, moon roof, nav, etc.), include the manual adjust Recaros and stuff like performance springs, adjustable dampers, Brembo brakes, exhaust cutout, mechanical LSD, etc. Price it around the price of an ST3 (i.e. $29k). Yeah, I'd buy one like that if it were available.
So again, at $24k, the ST is a great buy. For $34k, not so much, At $29k, as a second car, it's not necessarily a better performance deal than a Mustang, though apparently to this little 'tard, only douchebags would like/drive those.
I even LIKE the ST, but the moment he was an insulting assclown, he lost all my support for buying one.
I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.
Thanks for the info. I ordered an ST (ST3 option) and expect it in late October. There are dealers being difficult but got mine for $27,700. This is the top option package with leather Recaro's and Nav. 34K is crazy talk.
My daughter bought a Mazda 3 this weekend. The dealer had a Ford dealership next to their Mazda and one Focus ST on the ground. I got to test drive the ST and the Speed3 back to back. I prefer the ST but that speed3 is still a beast.
i want to like this car, but ford is just bothering me lately. their cars are over priced and i only say that because they lose value SO QUICKLY. also the rear ends on the STs are hideous. if the fiesta ST comes stateside i'd consider that, but no way will i go near the focus ST. no. way.
girls dig when i play with the V
And yes when I hear a mustang on the road and I see the driver its a douche strong arming the wheel with spiked hair, sleeveless shirt, with tribal rats blasting Nickelback 98% of the time. If you can stereotype VW kids as being flannel wearing, skinny jean rocking, fitted hat wearing hipsters, why can't I do the same to mustang bros?
Yes I'm trying to pick up a a4/s4 Avant for the soon to be family, and have a little 4 door fwd rocket made by Ford! I.was just shocked at what my dealer was trying to analize me for
With regard to:
Some day, you will realize you are making a completely false statement and will see how silly you sound.
Build and Price at Ford.com
Ford Focus ST3 with Moonroof is $29,825.
Ford Mustang GT with ZERO option packages is 31,095.
Don't believe me? Go build it for yourself.
veloster is cool, love the tech in it and for the price it can't be beat, but so everyone knows my bro-in-law has a standard and he says when the hatch it open and say it just rained, water WILL be going into your backseats and trunk area. bad engineering there. keep that in mind.
girls dig when i play with the V
Guys, seriously... I mean 5 pages... FIVE!
Here you go:
Now someone can see what this looks like without leaving this page...
Last edited by KeiCar; 09-18-2012 at 03:19 PM.
(⦿ ⩊ ⦿) ☕︎ Coffee time!!Originally Posted by Adam Carolla
(◉ ⩊ ◉) ☕︎☕︎☕︎☕︎☕︎☕︎☕︎☕︎Lots of Coffee time!!!!!!!...
Glad I have to wait. By the time I can drive again, this should be out
5 door of course, because we won't get the 3 door.