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      09-19-2012 11:10 AM #202
      Quote Originally Posted by RacingManiac View Post
      Dimensionally yes, but most people who have driven or been in one, as well as quite a few review I've read pointed out it feels much smaller inside...
      The Focus has more of a cockpit orientation, where the Golf dash is more of a slab. If you're a bigger guy, the Focus will feel more confining.

      I'll agree 100% with complaints about the back seat though. The Focus-based Mazda3 suffers from the same ailment, but as pointed out, both have excellent hatch space.

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      10-05-2012 03:20 PM #203
      http://www.insideline.com/ford/focus...rack-test.html

      Not as good number as I thought....IL's GTI number was 6.9 and 14.9. Need to find the braking, skidpad and slalom numbers...

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      10-05-2012 03:27 PM #204
      Quote Originally Posted by above8k View Post
      Meh........i rather have this

      Same.

      And no STI. Just that.

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      10-05-2012 03:39 PM #205
      http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s.-mazdaspeed3


      Focus ST destroys the MS3 and GTI in the latest Road and Track compaison.

      My favorite quote from the article....


      Ford’s new Focus ST is a starship amongst suborbital dinghies. It backs up its sci-fi looks with an EcoBoost engine that shreds time and space. It dominated every performance category in this test except observed fuel economy, and did so in a way that’s both confident and entertaining. This is the new highperformance standard against which any other mass-produced car with a 4-cylinder engine will be judged.

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      10-05-2012 03:51 PM #206
      I wouldn't say destroyed. It was marginally quicker than the other two cars, and the GTI as expected beat it in some of the subjective comfort/ergomoics categories.
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      10-05-2012 03:58 PM #207
      Quote Originally Posted by AKADriver View Post
      I wouldn't say destroyed. It was marginally quicker than the other two cars, and the GTI as expected beat it in some of the subjective comfort/ergomoics categories.
      And GTI is still on all season in this test also...

      What I find interesting is IL's 1/4 mile number has the ST trapping 93mph and the IL's GTI number(from a few years ago) has 95mph trap speed. If anything you'd think the extra power on the Ford would make itself known in that respect...

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      10-05-2012 04:07 PM #208
      Wow.

      I cant wait till canada gets these in

      Quote Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing View Post
      http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s.-mazdaspeed3


      Focus ST destroys the MS3 and GTI in the latest Road and Track compaison.

      My favorite quote from the article....

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      10-05-2012 04:12 PM #209
      Quote Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing View Post
      http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s.-mazdaspeed3


      Focus ST destroys the MS3 and GTI in the latest Road and Track compaison.

      My favorite quote from the article....
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      10-05-2012 04:19 PM #210
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      10-05-2012 07:36 PM #211
      This R&T test is good... the ST does what it's supposed to, and VW will surely respond with an equally competitive (or even one-up Ford) with the Mk7 GTI. Then Ford will do the same thing, and back and forth it'll go, and we will be the beneficiaries. Good times.
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      10-05-2012 08:15 PM #212
      I dont think so, the GTI just isn't that type of car.

      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      This R&T test is good... the ST does what it's supposed to, and VW will surely respond with an equally competitive (or even one-up Ford) with the Mk7 GTI. Then Ford will do the same thing, and back and forth it'll go, and we will be the beneficiaries. Good times.

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      10-05-2012 08:23 PM #213
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      This R&T test is good... the ST does what it's supposed to, and VW will surely respond with an equally competitive (or even one-up Ford) with the Mk7 GTI. Then Ford will do the same thing, and back and forth it'll go, and we will be the beneficiaries. Good times.
      I found it funny that they rated the ST higher in luggage space than the GTI, and that was the reason why someone on here decided to keep his GTI over getting an ST (despite the fact that the ST offers so much more than the GTI.)

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      10-05-2012 08:36 PM #214
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      I found it funny that they rated the ST higher in luggage space than the GTI, and that was the reason why someone on here decided to keep his GTI over getting an ST (despite the fact that the ST offers so much more than the GTI.)
      Er, if you're referring to Numbersix's thread, he said that the rear passenger space of the Focus was smaller, not the cargo space. And it is. The Focus has 2" less rear legroom.
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      10-05-2012 10:42 PM #215
      I think it's notable that R&T used a 3 door GTI versus a 5 door. I don't know the weight difference, but assume there is one, and that it isn't insignificant. That would have effected performance data a bit more.
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      10-05-2012 11:18 PM #216
      I may end up buying one.. Either a ST or a MK7 GTI.

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      10-06-2012 12:37 AM #217
      Quote Originally Posted by AKADriver View Post
      Er, if you're referring to Numbersix's thread, he said that the rear passenger space of the Focus was smaller, not the cargo space. And it is. The Focus has 2" less rear legroom.
      That's only with the Recaros though. If you just had the regular seats (like the GTI has regular seats), then there would be no difference. I'm sure if the GTI hat Recaros as an option, then the same thing would happen.

    18. 10-06-2012 12:40 AM #218
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      That's only with the Recaros though. If you just had the regular seats (like the GTI has regular seats), then there would be no difference. I'm sure if the GTI hat Recaros as an option, then the same thing would happen.
      But the rear seat room with the focus has been a common compliant since the debut of the current generation and those dont have recaros either.

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      10-06-2012 12:43 PM #219
      How has 2012+ Focus reliability been? Projected reliability of the ST?
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      10-06-2012 01:12 PM #220
      My closest Ford dealer has 4 of these right now. I just walked around a white one and a blue one a few minutes ago. It might be the over cast day, but I did not like Performance Blue in person...it looked very purple.
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      10-06-2012 01:14 PM #221
      Quote Originally Posted by dcmix5 View Post
      My closest Ford dealer has 4 of these right now. I just walked around a white one and a blue one a few minutes ago. It might be the over cast day, but I did not like Performance Blue in person...it looked very purple.
      I test drove a blue one on Thursday. I agree, it has some purple in it, but i'm sure i would've been happy with the color. I test drove an ST1 (base), but also sat in an ST2 with the Recaros. I was very tempted to buy the ST2 (at XPlan pricing), but after i test drove a WRX, i was sold on that.

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      10-06-2012 02:40 PM #222
      Quote Originally Posted by SLC_Punker View Post
      I test drove a blue one on Thursday. I agree, it has some purple in it, but i'm sure i would've been happy with the color. I test drove an ST1 (base), but also sat in an ST2 with the Recaros. I was very tempted to buy the ST2 (at XPlan pricing), but after i test drove a WRX, i was sold on that.
      Interesting...based on performance? Close friend had an '09 WRX and I'm not sure I could live with the interior for that kind of money.
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      10-06-2012 08:40 PM #223
      Quote Originally Posted by SLC_Punker View Post
      I test drove a blue one on Thursday. I agree, it has some purple in it, but i'm sure i would've been happy with the color. I test drove an ST1 (base), but also sat in an ST2 with the Recaros. I was very tempted to buy the ST2 (at XPlan pricing), but after i test drove a WRX, i was sold on that.
      What was the cost with X-plan pricing?

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      10-06-2012 08:43 PM #224
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      That's only with the Recaros though. If you just had the regular seats (like the GTI has regular seats), then there would be no difference. I'm sure if the GTI hat Recaros as an option, then the same thing would happen.
      No it's not. The Recaros don't affect measured legroom.
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      10-07-2012 10:21 AM #225
      Quote Originally Posted by TrackMagicWS6 View Post
      What was the cost with X-plan pricing?
      About X plan... a couple things to know: 1. dealerships are NOT REQUIRED to honor it. 2. X plan limits dealer fees to no more than $100 for doc fees. No other advertising, "market adjustment", "dealership" fees are allowed. 3. Dealers still make plenty on X plan sales, and typically receive commission from Ford on the sale. 4. Almost anyone can become X plan eligible.

      X plan pricing estimates for the Focus ST:


      ST1, base, no Recaros
      no add-ons: approx. $23,700 including delivery, fees, and doc fees
      w/roof, w/nav, w/Tangerine Scream paint: $25,650 inclusive


      ST2, includes leather/cloth Recaros and Sony stereo upgrade
      no add-ons: $25,800 inclusive
      w/roof/, w/nav, w/TS paint: $27,800 inclusive


      ST3, includes full leather Recaros, navigation, HID headlamps, interior lighting package,
      no add-ons: $27,650 inclusive
      ST3, w/roof, w/TS paint: $28,900 inclusive
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