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    Thread: 2013 Focus ST, worth it?

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      10-05-2012 03:27 PM #201
      Quote Originally Posted by above8k View Post
      Meh........i rather have this

      Same.

      And no STI. Just that.
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      10-05-2012 03:39 PM #202
      http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s.-mazdaspeed3


      Focus ST destroys the MS3 and GTI in the latest Road and Track compaison.

      My favorite quote from the article....


      Ford’s new Focus ST is a starship amongst suborbital dinghies. It backs up its sci-fi looks with an EcoBoost engine that shreds time and space. It dominated every performance category in this test except observed fuel economy, and did so in a way that’s both confident and entertaining. This is the new highperformance standard against which any other mass-produced car with a 4-cylinder engine will be judged.

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      10-05-2012 03:51 PM #203
      I wouldn't say destroyed. It was marginally quicker than the other two cars, and the GTI as expected beat it in some of the subjective comfort/ergomoics categories.
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      10-05-2012 03:58 PM #204
      Quote Originally Posted by AKADriver View Post
      I wouldn't say destroyed. It was marginally quicker than the other two cars, and the GTI as expected beat it in some of the subjective comfort/ergomoics categories.
      And GTI is still on all season in this test also...

      What I find interesting is IL's 1/4 mile number has the ST trapping 93mph and the IL's GTI number(from a few years ago) has 95mph trap speed. If anything you'd think the extra power on the Ford would make itself known in that respect...

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      10-05-2012 04:07 PM #205
      Wow.

      I cant wait till canada gets these in

      Quote Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing View Post
      http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s.-mazdaspeed3


      Focus ST destroys the MS3 and GTI in the latest Road and Track compaison.

      My favorite quote from the article....

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      10-05-2012 04:12 PM #206
      Quote Originally Posted by All-Or-Nothing View Post
      http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...s.-mazdaspeed3


      Focus ST destroys the MS3 and GTI in the latest Road and Track compaison.

      My favorite quote from the article....
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      10-05-2012 04:19 PM #207
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      10-05-2012 07:36 PM #208
      This R&T test is good... the ST does what it's supposed to, and VW will surely respond with an equally competitive (or even one-up Ford) with the Mk7 GTI. Then Ford will do the same thing, and back and forth it'll go, and we will be the beneficiaries. Good times.
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      10-05-2012 08:15 PM #209
      I dont think so, the GTI just isn't that type of car.

      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      This R&T test is good... the ST does what it's supposed to, and VW will surely respond with an equally competitive (or even one-up Ford) with the Mk7 GTI. Then Ford will do the same thing, and back and forth it'll go, and we will be the beneficiaries. Good times.

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      10-05-2012 08:23 PM #210
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      This R&T test is good... the ST does what it's supposed to, and VW will surely respond with an equally competitive (or even one-up Ford) with the Mk7 GTI. Then Ford will do the same thing, and back and forth it'll go, and we will be the beneficiaries. Good times.
      I found it funny that they rated the ST higher in luggage space than the GTI, and that was the reason why someone on here decided to keep his GTI over getting an ST (despite the fact that the ST offers so much more than the GTI.)

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      10-05-2012 08:36 PM #211
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      I found it funny that they rated the ST higher in luggage space than the GTI, and that was the reason why someone on here decided to keep his GTI over getting an ST (despite the fact that the ST offers so much more than the GTI.)
      Er, if you're referring to Numbersix's thread, he said that the rear passenger space of the Focus was smaller, not the cargo space. And it is. The Focus has 2" less rear legroom.
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      10-05-2012 10:42 PM #212
      I think it's notable that R&T used a 3 door GTI versus a 5 door. I don't know the weight difference, but assume there is one, and that it isn't insignificant. That would have effected performance data a bit more.
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      10-05-2012 11:18 PM #213
      I may end up buying one.. Either a ST or a MK7 GTI.

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      10-06-2012 12:37 AM #214
      Quote Originally Posted by AKADriver View Post
      Er, if you're referring to Numbersix's thread, he said that the rear passenger space of the Focus was smaller, not the cargo space. And it is. The Focus has 2" less rear legroom.
      That's only with the Recaros though. If you just had the regular seats (like the GTI has regular seats), then there would be no difference. I'm sure if the GTI hat Recaros as an option, then the same thing would happen.

    15. 10-06-2012 12:40 AM #215
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      That's only with the Recaros though. If you just had the regular seats (like the GTI has regular seats), then there would be no difference. I'm sure if the GTI hat Recaros as an option, then the same thing would happen.
      But the rear seat room with the focus has been a common compliant since the debut of the current generation and those dont have recaros either.

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      10-06-2012 12:43 PM #216
      How has 2012+ Focus reliability been? Projected reliability of the ST?
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      10-06-2012 01:12 PM #217
      My closest Ford dealer has 4 of these right now. I just walked around a white one and a blue one a few minutes ago. It might be the over cast day, but I did not like Performance Blue in person...it looked very purple.
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      10-06-2012 01:14 PM #218
      Quote Originally Posted by dcmix5 View Post
      My closest Ford dealer has 4 of these right now. I just walked around a white one and a blue one a few minutes ago. It might be the over cast day, but I did not like Performance Blue in person...it looked very purple.
      I test drove a blue one on Thursday. I agree, it has some purple in it, but i'm sure i would've been happy with the color. I test drove an ST1 (base), but also sat in an ST2 with the Recaros. I was very tempted to buy the ST2 (at XPlan pricing), but after i test drove a WRX, i was sold on that.

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      10-06-2012 02:40 PM #219
      Quote Originally Posted by SLC_Punker View Post
      I test drove a blue one on Thursday. I agree, it has some purple in it, but i'm sure i would've been happy with the color. I test drove an ST1 (base), but also sat in an ST2 with the Recaros. I was very tempted to buy the ST2 (at XPlan pricing), but after i test drove a WRX, i was sold on that.
      Interesting...based on performance? Close friend had an '09 WRX and I'm not sure I could live with the interior for that kind of money.
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      10-06-2012 08:40 PM #220
      Quote Originally Posted by SLC_Punker View Post
      I test drove a blue one on Thursday. I agree, it has some purple in it, but i'm sure i would've been happy with the color. I test drove an ST1 (base), but also sat in an ST2 with the Recaros. I was very tempted to buy the ST2 (at XPlan pricing), but after i test drove a WRX, i was sold on that.
      What was the cost with X-plan pricing?

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      10-06-2012 08:43 PM #221
      Quote Originally Posted by C4 A6 View Post
      That's only with the Recaros though. If you just had the regular seats (like the GTI has regular seats), then there would be no difference. I'm sure if the GTI hat Recaros as an option, then the same thing would happen.
      No it's not. The Recaros don't affect measured legroom.
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      10-07-2012 10:21 AM #222
      Quote Originally Posted by TrackMagicWS6 View Post
      What was the cost with X-plan pricing?
      About X plan... a couple things to know: 1. dealerships are NOT REQUIRED to honor it. 2. X plan limits dealer fees to no more than $100 for doc fees. No other advertising, "market adjustment", "dealership" fees are allowed. 3. Dealers still make plenty on X plan sales, and typically receive commission from Ford on the sale. 4. Almost anyone can become X plan eligible.

      X plan pricing estimates for the Focus ST:


      ST1, base, no Recaros
      no add-ons: approx. $23,700 including delivery, fees, and doc fees
      w/roof, w/nav, w/Tangerine Scream paint: $25,650 inclusive


      ST2, includes leather/cloth Recaros and Sony stereo upgrade
      no add-ons: $25,800 inclusive
      w/roof/, w/nav, w/TS paint: $27,800 inclusive


      ST3, includes full leather Recaros, navigation, HID headlamps, interior lighting package,
      no add-ons: $27,650 inclusive
      ST3, w/roof, w/TS paint: $28,900 inclusive
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      10-07-2012 10:39 AM #223
      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      Interesting...based on performance? Close friend had an '09 WRX and I'm not sure I could live with the interior for that kind of money.
      We test drove a WRX, Focus-ST, GTI, and MS3 all in one day. My wife and i agreed the interior was not that bad; not quite up to the GTI, but certainly not terrible. The GTI was by far the smallest, which i wasn't looking for (i have 2 kids). The ST had a decent hatch in terms of surface area, but it was really shallow. The WRX had a smoother clutch, a more linear power delivery, and just felt really solid and stable (grounded to the ground!). I'm sure i would have been happy with any of the 4 we tested (at least optioned the way i want them), but WRX won out for the driving feel, as well as the safety/security of having AWD in the winters. This will be my DD.

      Quote Originally Posted by TrackMagicWS6 View Post
      What was the cost with X-plan pricing?
      They quoted me $26,440+TTL for that exact one. I think it had a couple options/accessories above the ST2 package.

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      10-07-2012 03:19 PM #224
      I figure I'll be looking to replace my MKIV dd in a year or two. The ST, is a def on my list. I really like the jcw mini coupe also, but it's way pricey at the 40-45k range loaded. I feel like you get alot for your $ with the st. Is there any aftermarket support with coilovers, tuning etc...

      I'll keep my MKI forever as a weekend car, so I won't be turning my back on VW, but I'm going to wait for the MKVII GTI & by that time we should have the def specs on the next gen R if it has the new S3 motor I may jump in that? I don't want to rush my decision so I want to wait to see all my options, but the st is the only american car that I'm interested in, unless the RS came over which it may if the st is a good seller?
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      10-07-2012 03:42 PM #225
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      Well, not really. I have two mkvs, my brother has a ms3, and I do want to get a new hatch to toy with.

      I was gonna trade the modified mkv for a s2k, but meh. Also looked at the BRZ as a fun summer car, but again the ST kills it in every way in my eyes.

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