I figure I'll be looking to replace my MKIV dd in a year or two. The ST, is a def on my list. I really like the jcw mini coupe also, but it's way pricey at the 40-45k range loaded. I feel like you get alot for your $ with the st. Is there any aftermarket support with coilovers, tuning etc...
I'll keep my MKI forever as a weekend car, so I won't be turning my back on VW, but I'm going to wait for the MKVII GTI & by that time we should have the def specs on the next gen R if it has the new S3 motor I may jump in that? I don't want to rush my decision so I want to wait to see all my options, but the st is the only american car that I'm interested in, unless the RS came over which it may if the st is a good seller?
But here is a great example of how hidden costs in vehicle ownership stack up for some cars...
XF's TCO is $69k based on a $31k buy price
Focus Titanium's TCO is $36k based on a $24k buy price
A car's value is not equal to it's financial liability.
That would be a must for me, but I'm waiting for a good year or two till I purchase a new car. I want to see the mk7 gti & find out the specs on the next gen R before I make up my mind. LOL, I'm in a tdi dd with only 100k on it so I have plenty of time
BTW, I love the solid black leather Recaros on the ST3, which is one of the reasons I chose to order an ST3 back in May... 152 days ago. Sigh...
That's the only advantage of buying another vw for me all the aftermarket support, but I've been a fan of the RS as sonn as they came out & this is as close as I'll prob ever get
Even better is that there are a ton of US based aftermarket companies already actively developing performance and suspension stuff for the ST... Steeda, Cobb, Buschur, Saleen, Roush, KW, and of course, Ford's own Ford Racing Performance Parts division. Expect a full range of engine, exhaust, turbo, brake, suspension, chassis upgrades over the next 6 months. In fact, I suspect quite a few will be debuting at SEMA. I'm hoping to be there to witness it myself actually, but who knows...
In any case, there is no need to be concerned about aftermarket support for the ST. Ford's commitment to global cars, especially global PERFORMANCE cars, means the ST will be around for a long time to come. And since Ford also uses the Ecoboost 2.0 in everything from the Focust to the Fusion to the C-Max to the 2014 Mustang means that there will be a ton of support for it, and all the cars that carry it.
Drove one today.
it's got a monster engine and that symposer thing makes it sound awesome when you punch it.
The car I drove had the st2 (?) package and was about $28k.
The Recaros are really nice, but I'm not sure they are worth $4k.
The steering is really tight, the torque steer no more pronounced than my regular ole mazda 3's. It was tremendously confidence inspiring to drive hard. I didn't like the battlestar galactica looking dash, prefering the GTI's by far.
I wasn't expecting the car to feel so solid. I was sort of expecting something like my Mazda, a general step up in refinement from the SVT focus, but the ST felt super tight.
This is a serious car and it was a blast to drive. The thing is, at 28k I would rather spend another 6k for the golf R or try to score a deal on a leftover GTI.
Objectively speaking, thought, this Ford is a better car than the GOlf R, for cheaper. Yeah, it may lack AWD, but otherwise, it's faster, sportier, newer platform, etc.
Ford really has a success on their hands with this thing. I agree that they should have perhaps somehow made a package with the Recaro's a bit less pricey, but overall, this car destroys the current GTI on all objective tests.
I still like the GTI better, but I am also a VW nerd. For 95% of buyers, this car is a no-brainer in the market segment.
Originally Posted by Seabird
BTW, better pics of the euro ST Recaro interior in leather: http://www.recaro-automotive.com/us/...-focus-st.html
Being euro-market only, I haven't sat in them, so I can only relay what has been said in reviews and ad materials. You can see that the upper portion of the Recaro rear seat has some slight increase in bolster compared to the non-Recaro rear seat, and the bottoms aren't much improved from appearances. I personally think they would not be significant enough to even bother consider how well they truly hold occupants under aggressive driving... nothing is as good as a legit bucket. But I would think those bolsters might be welcome during longer road journeys. IDK.