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      10-07-2012 07:34 PM #226
      Quote Originally Posted by Activ8 View Post
      For $27k-$34k and with nav, great interiors & seats and way more car

      Jaguar XF Supercharged:



      [TROLL]Best of all its still a Ford.[/TROLL]

    2. 10-07-2012 10:23 PM #227
      Quote Originally Posted by Activ8 View Post
      For $27k-$34k and with nav, great interiors & seats and way more car

      Jaguar XF Supercharged:



      I wonder why they are so cheap used? Are they that unreliable?

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      10-07-2012 10:43 PM #228
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      [TROLL]Best of all its still a Ford.[/TROLL]
      lol

      But here is a great example of how hidden costs in vehicle ownership stack up for some cars...

      XF's TCO is $69k based on a $31k buy price
      http://www.edmunds.com/jaguar/xf/200...tyle=100956694

      Focus Titanium's TCO is $36k based on a $24k buy price
      http://www.edmunds.com/ford/focus/20...tyle=101364750

      A car's value is not equal to it's financial liability.

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      10-08-2012 09:46 AM #229
      Quote Originally Posted by dcmix5 View Post
      My closest Ford dealer has 4 of these right now.
      My local dealer had 0 and did not know when they were getting any in They did say they will have a 2013 Fusion soon though, so I may at least check that out.

      Quote Originally Posted by livingVoice View Post
      I wonder why they are so cheap used? Are they that unreliable?
      I have wondered the same thing, they look really nice both inside and out, but the prices drop like a stone on them.
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      10-08-2012 11:00 AM #230
      Quote Originally Posted by naiku View Post
      My local dealer had 0 and did not know when they were getting any in
      A few local ford dealers to me have a few st's on the lot. Seems all are red? Also I haven't scene any with recaro's or hid's seems the dealer ordered up the cheaper package. I'm def a fan of the one color leather recaro's:

      That would be a must for me, but I'm waiting for a good year or two till I purchase a new car. I want to see the mk7 gti & find out the specs on the next gen R before I make up my mind. LOL, I'm in a tdi dd with only 100k on it so I have plenty of time
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      10-08-2012 11:11 AM #231
      Quote Originally Posted by panzer 2.3 View Post
      Also I haven't scene any with recaro's or hid's seems the dealer ordered up the cheaper package. I'm def a fan of the one color leather recaro's:
      The reason you haven't seen any of the ST3s with the full leather and HIDs is because there was a delay due to a problem with the HID lens design. ST1 and ST2s went into production in late July, but ST3s have been delayed until last week (first week of October). In addition, dealers' ST3 orders were cancelled so that Retail Customer ST3s would receive priority when production did start, so it may still be a while before you see one sitting on a dealer lot for sale. Customer order cars should begin landing in the next week or so.

      BTW, I love the solid black leather Recaros on the ST3, which is one of the reasons I chose to order an ST3 back in May... 152 days ago. Sigh...
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      10-08-2012 11:17 AM #232
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW View Post
      [TROLL]Best of all its still a Ford.[/TROLL]
      I can't tell the level of sarcasm here but just for clarification, Jaguar is owned by Tata Motors now.

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      10-08-2012 11:21 AM #233
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      The reason you haven't seen any of the ST3s with the full leather and HIDs is because there was a delay due to a problem with the HID lens design. ST1 and ST2s went into production in late July, but ST3s have been delayed until last week (first week of October). In addition, dealers' ST3 orders were cancelled so that Retail Customer ST3s would receive priority when production did start, so it may still be a while before you see one sitting on a dealer lot for sale. Customer order cars should begin landing in the next week or so.

      BTW, I love the solid black leather Recaros on the ST3, which is one of the reasons I chose to order an ST3 back in May... 152 days ago. Sigh...
      Thanks for the info, makes sense now. Maybe when I'm ready to buy in a year or two they'll have it all sorted? I would also go with the full leather recaro's, the partials just look clownish to me. Any aftermarket parts on the horizon for them like coilovers? I doubt I'd mess with the engine tuning wise, but I wouldn't mind being lower on one.

      That's the only advantage of buying another vw for me all the aftermarket support, but I've been a fan of the RS as sonn as they came out & this is as close as I'll prob ever get
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      10-08-2012 12:04 PM #234
      Quote Originally Posted by panzer 2.3 View Post
      Any aftermarket parts on the horizon for them like coilovers? I doubt I'd mess with the engine tuning wise, but I wouldn't mind being lower on one.

      That's the only advantage of buying another vw for me all the aftermarket support, but I've been a fan of the RS as sonn as they came out & this is as close as I'll prob ever get
      There will be epic amounts of aftermarket development for the ST. While the ST is new to the North American market, it's an extremely popular and established performance brand in Europe. And because Ford is producing essentially the same vehicle (chassis, engine, suspension) in all of their world markets, aftermarket developments done in the UK or Europe or Asia or the US will all be applicable to the US based ST. A good example is that the UK tuner company PumaSpeed already offers a -20mm spring set for the ST and their website includes USD pricing and US shipping costs ($300 shipped to the US, if it matters: http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/product-F...ring_15622.jsp).

      Even better is that there are a ton of US based aftermarket companies already actively developing performance and suspension stuff for the ST... Steeda, Cobb, Buschur, Saleen, Roush, KW, and of course, Ford's own Ford Racing Performance Parts division. Expect a full range of engine, exhaust, turbo, brake, suspension, chassis upgrades over the next 6 months. In fact, I suspect quite a few will be debuting at SEMA. I'm hoping to be there to witness it myself actually, but who knows...

      In any case, there is no need to be concerned about aftermarket support for the ST. Ford's commitment to global cars, especially global PERFORMANCE cars, means the ST will be around for a long time to come. And since Ford also uses the Ecoboost 2.0 in everything from the Focust to the Fusion to the C-Max to the 2014 Mustang means that there will be a ton of support for it, and all the cars that carry it.
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      10-08-2012 01:24 PM #235
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      There will be epic amounts of aftermarket development for the ST. While the ST is new to the North American market, it's an extremely popular and established performance brand in Europe. And because Ford is producing essentially the same vehicle (chassis, engine, suspension) in all of their world markets, aftermarket developments done in the UK or Europe or Asia or the US will all be applicable to the US based ST. A good example is that the UK tuner company PumaSpeed already offers a -20mm spring set for the ST and their website includes USD pricing and US shipping costs ($300 shipped to the US, if it matters: http://www.pumaspeed.co.uk/product-F...ring_15622.jsp).

      Even better is that there are a ton of US based aftermarket companies already actively developing performance and suspension stuff for the ST... Steeda, Cobb, Buschur, Saleen, Roush, KW, and of course, Ford's own Ford Racing Performance Parts division. Expect a full range of engine, exhaust, turbo, brake, suspension, chassis upgrades over the next 6 months. In fact, I suspect quite a few will be debuting at SEMA. I'm hoping to be there to witness it myself actually, but who knows...

      In any case, there is no need to be concerned about aftermarket support for the ST. Ford's commitment to global cars, especially global PERFORMANCE cars, means the ST will be around for a long time to come. And since Ford also uses the Ecoboost 2.0 in everything from the Focust to the Fusion to the C-Max to the 2014 Mustang means that there will be a ton of support for it, and all the cars that carry it.
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      10-08-2012 02:04 PM #236
      Quote Originally Posted by SLC_Punker View Post
      We test drove a WRX, Focus-ST, GTI, and MS3 all in one day. My wife and i agreed the interior was not that bad; not quite up to the GTI, but certainly not terrible. The GTI was by far the smallest, which i wasn't looking for (i have 2 kids). The ST had a decent hatch in terms of surface area, but it was really shallow. The WRX had a smoother clutch, a more linear power delivery, and just felt really solid and stable (grounded to the ground!). I'm sure i would have been happy with any of the 4 we tested (at least optioned the way i want them), but WRX won out for the driving feel, as well as the safety/security of having AWD in the winters. This will be my DD.
      Sedan or hatchback? Base, Premium or Limited?

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      10-08-2012 02:15 PM #237
      Quote Originally Posted by chuckster1 View Post
      Sedan or hatchback? Base, Premium or Limited?
      We test drove a base sedan, with SPT exhaust. I ordered a Limited 5-door, with a few options (but not the exhaust...). It's going to be a long 8 week wait...

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      10-08-2012 02:53 PM #238
      Any pics of the ST3 rear seat? Apparently it's slightly bolstered...
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      10-08-2012 06:39 PM #239
      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      Any pics of the ST3 rear seat? Apparently it's slightly bolstered...
      leather:

      partial leather:

      Just like vw's looks like the eu gets the better seats:
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      10-08-2012 06:45 PM #240
      Drove one today.
      it's got a monster engine and that symposer thing makes it sound awesome when you punch it.
      The car I drove had the st2 (?) package and was about $28k.

      The Recaros are really nice, but I'm not sure they are worth $4k.

      The steering is really tight, the torque steer no more pronounced than my regular ole mazda 3's. It was tremendously confidence inspiring to drive hard. I didn't like the battlestar galactica looking dash, prefering the GTI's by far.

      I wasn't expecting the car to feel so solid. I was sort of expecting something like my Mazda, a general step up in refinement from the SVT focus, but the ST felt super tight.

      This is a serious car and it was a blast to drive. The thing is, at 28k I would rather spend another 6k for the golf R or try to score a deal on a leftover GTI.

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      10-08-2012 06:57 PM #241
      Quote Originally Posted by Dan92SLC View Post
      The thing is, at 28k I would rather spend another 6k for the golf R or try to score a deal on a leftover GTI.
      So would I. But that's because we really enjoy the VW brand and see value in VW products.

      Objectively speaking, thought, this Ford is a better car than the GOlf R, for cheaper. Yeah, it may lack AWD, but otherwise, it's faster, sportier, newer platform, etc.

      Ford really has a success on their hands with this thing. I agree that they should have perhaps somehow made a package with the Recaro's a bit less pricey, but overall, this car destroys the current GTI on all objective tests.

      I still like the GTI better, but I am also a VW nerd. For 95% of buyers, this car is a no-brainer in the market segment.
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      10-08-2012 06:58 PM #242
      I also want to add in that if they ever release an AWD version, I may actually be pursuaded to purchase one.
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      10-08-2012 07:42 PM #243
      Thanks for the post on the seats, panzer. Disappointing on all counts.
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      10-08-2012 08:04 PM #244
      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      Any pics of the ST3 rear seat? Apparently it's slightly bolstered...
      Unfortunately, the North American market doesn't get quite the same seats as offered in the UK and Europe. Their front seats have an adjustable thigh extension, and the rear seats are also made by Recaro, which do have some slightly improved bolstering. Here's a pic of the Recaro rear seat:




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      The Recaros are really nice, but I'm not sure they are worth $4k.
      The ST2 package comes with the color'd insert leather/cloth Recaros and is $2500 more, not $4k. It should be noted that the Recaros that are in the ST appear to be based on Recaro's aftermarket Style XL seats, which retail for between $1500-$2400 PER SEAT. $2500 for the ST2 package (which also includes the Sony 10 speaker stereo upgrade) seems a bargain comparatively.
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      10-08-2012 08:07 PM #245
      BTW, better pics of the euro ST Recaro interior in leather: http://www.recaro-automotive.com/us/...-focus-st.html
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      10-08-2012 08:08 PM #246
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      Unfortunately, the North American market doesn't get quite the same seats as offered in the UK and Europe. Their front seats have an adjustable thigh extension, and the rear seats are also made by Recaro, which do have some slightly improved bolstering. Here's a pic of the Recaro rear seat:

      Hmm...just by looking it doesn't seem like that much extra bolstering...have you sat in one? Can you comment (or is that not a 1st person pic)? Does the fabric "hold" you?

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      10-08-2012 09:56 PM #247
      Being euro-market only, I haven't sat in them, so I can only relay what has been said in reviews and ad materials. You can see that the upper portion of the Recaro rear seat has some slight increase in bolster compared to the non-Recaro rear seat, and the bottoms aren't much improved from appearances. I personally think they would not be significant enough to even bother consider how well they truly hold occupants under aggressive driving... nothing is as good as a legit bucket. But I would think those bolsters might be welcome during longer road journeys. IDK.
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      10-08-2012 10:53 PM #248
      Are you 100% sure the US ST3 front Recaros won't have the adjustable thigh bolster? That's almost a deal-breaker, love it on my BMWs.
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      10-08-2012 11:03 PM #249
      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      Are you 100% sure the US ST3 front Recaros won't have the adjustable thigh bolster? That's almost a deal-breaker, love it on my BMWs.
      Yes, 100% sure, as verified by both official word from Ford and as-delivered cars. Here's a pic of as-delivered ST2 (ST3 has same seats in full leather):




      Despite how it may look, the front center most portion of the lower does not extend as it does on the euro Recaros. Damn'd if I know why they didn't/couldn't... NHTSA requirements maybe? US patent infringement issues for Recaro USA? IDK. In any case, you can bet someone will eventually import and convert their NA market ST.
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      10-09-2012 08:09 AM #250
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      Even better is that there are a ton of US based aftermarket companies already actively developing performance and suspension stuff for the ST... Steeda, Cobb, Buschur, Saleen, Roush, KW, and of course, Ford's own Ford Racing Performance Parts division.
      Ahem

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