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      10-09-2012 08:20 AM #251
      How different is the lighting arrangement in the ST? Is it getting the european market head and taillamps (led and hid)? If they do, I will keep an eye on the local salvage yards for swaps onto my car. Some idiot is to wrap one around a tree.







      (waiting for the usual Jalopnik "first wrecked ST" thread)
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      10-09-2012 09:04 AM #252
      Quote Originally Posted by MCTB View Post
      How different is the lighting arrangement in the ST? Is it getting the european market head and taillamps (led and hid)?
      The ST3 (package 202A) has HIDs with different light clusters from the other models, but they've been delayed and no one knows exactly what they look like, if they're exactly like the euro model or slightly different.
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      10-09-2012 09:24 AM #253
      The first ST3 in the nation on a dealer lot is local. Here's a pic of the headlights..


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      10-09-2012 09:25 AM #254
      Goddammit it has the black housing. I really liked the chrome housing.

      This is all pushing me to VW.
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      10-09-2012 09:28 AM #255
      Quote Originally Posted by 90Foxbox View Post

      Awesome. Thats pretty close to Euro spec lighting, with very minor differences. I could do without the LED strip eyelid but definitely want projectors. The reflector style headlamps in the 2012 Focus is pretty decent in pattern but not impressive in projecting light down the street.

      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      Goddammit it has the black housing. I really liked the chrome housing.

      This is all pushing me to VW.
      Because the headlamp housing is black (which will look better than chrome in combination with any color, except silver)?
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      10-09-2012 09:32 AM #256
      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      Goddammit it has the black housing. I really liked the chrome housing.

      This is all pushing me to VW.
      Seriously? You're making a decision on car buying on the color of the headlight housing?

      The fact that the GTI is down 52 hp and has non-defeatable stability control is a much bigger deal to me on a performance car...
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      10-09-2012 09:34 AM #257
      Here's one of the entire front. I love these car, two friends have ST2 models. One of which has a full 3" TBE, it's fun. Also I apologize for the quality these are screen shot from my buddies Instagram.

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      10-09-2012 09:37 AM #258
      Quote Originally Posted by Chmeeee View Post
      Seriously? You're making a decision on car buying on the color of the headlight housing?

      The fact that the GTI is down 52 hp and has non-defeatable stability control is a much bigger deal to me on a performance car...
      I can't stand black headlight housings, I think the MKIV forum ruined it for me. It's a little crazy looking at a $30k car and having to source Euro parts like the chrome HID housing. I can live without the LED tails, even though my 2006 Toyota and 2007 BMW have them. About the seats, that's a massive, massive disappointment but I can live without the thigh bolster as long as the all-leather US seat is comfortable on long trips.

      They are fun to drive for what they are, already drove an ST2, really liked it. I love the idea of a German Ford. I'll need to see and drive an Oxford White ST3 before making a final decision.

      About the GTI, owned an MKVI, loved it. Would do a Golf R or see what the MKVII is shaping up to be in the US market. Not in a hurry here...
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    9. 10-09-2012 10:14 AM #259
      You can buy a used Lexus IS-F for that money...........fast, luxury, sporty and dependable!

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      10-09-2012 10:21 AM #260
      Quote Originally Posted by brad@fifteen52 View Post
      Ahem
      This is why it's good we're going to be talking... looking forward to it.


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      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      Goddammit it has the black housing. I really liked the chrome housing.

      This is all pushing me to VW.
      Yes, ST3 comes with black bezel HIDs, BUT the Focus Electric will have chrome HIDs available, which should mean an easy swap if you really prefer the chrome. In fact, I bet you could probably find someone willing to swap black for chrome, which would make it a $0 proposition.
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      10-09-2012 10:58 AM #261
      worked, that's a good point about swapping with Focus Electric housings.
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      10-09-2012 11:01 AM #262
      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      I can't stand black headlight housings, I think the MKIV forum ruined it for me.
      Quote Originally Posted by Chmeeee View Post
      Seriously? You're making a decision on car buying on the color of the headlight housing?
      Yeah, talk about a tough crowd.

      Quote Originally Posted by whitealltrac View Post
      You can buy a used Lexus IS-F for that money...........fast, luxury, sporty and dependable!
      Too bad it will be an '08, which is pretty much a dog. You only want the '11+.

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      10-09-2012 11:19 AM #263
      Quote Originally Posted by whitealltrac View Post
      You can buy a used Lexus IS-F for that money...........fast, luxury, sporty and dependable!
      Just dont wreck it...
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      10-09-2012 05:05 PM #264
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      10-09-2012 05:27 PM #265
      Quote Originally Posted by panzer 2.3 View Post
      Like? that's an understatement
      Ford’s new Focus ST is a starship amongst suborbital dinghies. It backs up its sci-fi looks with an EcoBoost engine that shreds time and space. It dominated every performance category in this test except observed fuel economy, and did so in a way that’s both confident and entertaining. This is the new highperformance standard against which any other mass-produced car with a 4-cylinder engine will be judged.

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      10-09-2012 05:46 PM #266
      Quote Originally Posted by Chapel View Post
      Like? that's an understatement
      Haha your right, I take all the auto mags with a grain of salt. I've been lurking on the focus st forums to get the drivers inputs. It's gonna be a tough choice for me between this & the MK7 gti. I really want to get more info/test drive the gti with the perfomance/track pack or what the vortex article called a stage 2?
      Stage 2 – Performance GTI: Those choosing a Golf GTI with the performance pack ignite the second stage. As mentioned, the car’s power is increased by 7 HP here, while its maximum torque is identical. The 227 HP of power enables a top speed of 250 km/h* (155 mph) and just 6.5 seconds for the sprint to 100 km/h (62 mph).

      The performance pack not only offers a plus in power, but also a plus in handling: instead of 16-inch brakes, the GTI is equipped with 17-inch brakes here (with GTI badges on the callipers) and a front axle differential lock (VAQ) that is also being offered for the first time in this form.

      Front axle differential lock. The electronically controlled lock has a positive effect on active safety and driving dynamics, because it practically prevents the power-related understeer that can occur in powerful front-wheel drive cars. This makes handling precise, and has a stabilising effect in load-alteration induced oversteer. The reason: VAQ increases the power to the wheel on the outside of the curve, which also optimises the vehicle’s speed through bends. Traction is also improved when driving on loose and wet road surfaces and in turning situations.

      Either way with ford, mazda & vw battling for top hot hatch we all win, just gotta pick the right platform for you. I'm a hardcore vw guy so I'm leaning hard towards the gti/next gen R, but the focus has me swayed atm. I'll keep daydreaming for the next year or two
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      10-09-2012 05:48 PM #267
      My dad loves Ford, and im partial to them. If i buy american, it would be Ford.
      Only thing w Ford, is the resale value. Not sure how new Fords will hold out, but previous car dropped so much so fast.

      I guess we will see how these do in actual performance and reliability plus resale.
      Another thing, my dads 2004 Ford has more rust them my 83 VW. I hope they fixed this in newer cars.

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      10-09-2012 07:19 PM #268
      This is ridiculous, hysterical, and awesome all at the same time... Esquire named the Focus ST as their Car of the Year: http://www.esquire.com/features/cars...ain_sr#slide-2
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      10-09-2012 07:46 PM #269
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      This is ridiculous, hysterical, and awesome all at the same time... Esquire named the Focus ST as their Car of the Year: http://www.esquire.com/features/cars...ain_sr#slide-2
      Oooo

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      10-09-2012 07:48 PM #270
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      This is ridiculous, hysterical, and awesome all at the same time... Esquire named the Focus ST as their Car of the Year: http://www.esquire.com/features/cars...ain_sr#slide-2
      That should be "Domestic Car of the Year" btw.
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      10-09-2012 08:28 PM #271
      Quote Originally Posted by worked_xr View Post
      This is ridiculous, hysterical, and awesome all at the same time... Esquire named the Focus ST as their Car of the Year: http://www.esquire.com/features/cars...ain_sr#slide-2
      Interesting
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      10-09-2012 08:40 PM #272
      I drove one tonight. The clutch was a little weird to me...it seems a bit too far to the right and the angle seems very steep. This might have been remedied by adjusting seating, but I was too busy listening to the awesome engine note. I was able to test drive the car all alone, and was told to "just keep it on four wheels", but I didn't beat on it, as the road I was on was 45 mph and it was pretty busy.

      I was in a Package 2 or whatever with the recaros. They are very supportive, but I have a pretty wide back and I felt like I couldn't really sink in like I did in the FR-S. I think this would also improve over time.

      Seeing as I like to lease, and they do not appear to offer one, I didn't really entertain running numbers, but this car is a serious contender and I would own one without a doubt. This thing pulls hard...and right now.



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      10-09-2012 08:50 PM #273
      I'm really intrigued by this car, can't wait to test drive one.

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      10-09-2012 08:56 PM #274
      Quote Originally Posted by MAGICGTI View Post
      Goddammit it has the black housing. I really liked the chrome housing.

      This is all pushing me to VW.
      Black looks pretty damm good. I don't know what you're talking about.

      I want this car so badly, but I'll wait a year or two for them to iron out the bugs first.
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      10-09-2012 09:29 PM #275
      FYI, the 2013 GTI/GLI has defeatable ESP. Just clarifying wrong info posted above.

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