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      09-18-2012 02:20 PM #141
      A mustang is an entirely different car than a Focus. A focus is practical, a Mustang isn't. A focus is also much cheaper in gas.

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      09-18-2012 02:33 PM #142
      I'm seriously considering trading my 2011 GT for a 2013 ST. I'm assuming that will cause several heads to explode based on the conversations in this thread.
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    3. 09-18-2012 03:36 PM #143
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      At 34k just get a Golf /Ṝ
      ftw or get a veloster turbo for 22k and get sick mpgs.

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      09-18-2012 03:41 PM #144
      veloster is cool, love the tech in it and for the price it can't be beat, but so everyone knows my bro-in-law has a standard and he says when the hatch it open and say it just rained, water WILL be going into your backseats and trunk area. bad engineering there. keep that in mind.
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      09-18-2012 04:17 PM #145
      Guys, seriously... I mean 5 pages... FIVE!

      Really... REALLY?




      Here you go:


      Now someone can see what this looks like without leaving this page...
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      09-18-2012 04:21 PM #146
      Did you mean to post a pic of the ST? Cause that isn't a 2013 ST
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      09-18-2012 04:51 PM #147
      Quote Originally Posted by KeiCar View Post
      Guys, seriously... I mean 5 pages... FIVE!

      Really... REALLY?




      Here you go:


      Now someone can see what this looks like without leaving this page...
      Wow, nice fail bro
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      09-18-2012 05:17 PM #148
      Glad I have to wait. By the time I can drive again, this should be out







      5 door of course, because we won't get the 3 door.
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      09-18-2012 05:23 PM #149
      Here's the new Focus ST
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      09-18-2012 05:27 PM #150
      Quote Originally Posted by keicar View Post
      guys, seriously... I mean 5 pages... Five!

      Really... Really?




      Here you go:
      [img]wrong car[/img]

      now someone can see what this looks like without leaving this page...
      *applause*
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      09-18-2012 05:36 PM #151
      Are there any solid tests / reviews of the ST yet? I've found a few first drives, but no one has actual performance results yet.

      Surprising, given these are already on dealer lots, I noticed my local dealer has 3 in stock already with many more coming (awaiting delivery). I think I'll have to go check one out. ~28k for the Recaro and HIDS etc. seems a bit steep for the class of car, but its as close as we'll get to a cheaper Golf R.

      Any info on tuning potential for these yet?

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      09-18-2012 06:09 PM #152
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      ~28k for the Recaro and HIDS etc. seems a bit steep for the class of car, but its as close as we'll get to a cheaper Golf R.
      With equivalent options, the GTI will run you $30,600.
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      09-18-2012 07:11 PM #153
      Quote Originally Posted by Chmeeee View Post
      With equivalent options, the GTI will run you $30,600.
      Yea, I'm just not liking how Ford has structured the options. You have to get the 202A equipment group for $4435 to get the full leather recaros, heated seats, HIDs and LED DRL's (but it also includes the Nav, which is a $900 standalone option). I could do without the Nav, but want all the other stuff. I haven't found a dealer car yet that just has 202A group, instead they are all marking up the base with the moonroof and nav which only comes out $500 short of the next level which is a silly buy.

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      09-18-2012 07:21 PM #154
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      Are there any solid tests / reviews of the ST yet? I've found a few first drives, but no one has actual performance results yet.

      Surprising, given these are already on dealer lots, I noticed my local dealer has 3 in stock already with many more coming (awaiting delivery). I think I'll have to go check one out. ~28k for the Recaro and HIDS etc. seems a bit steep for the class of car, but its as close as we'll get to a cheaper Golf R.

      Any info on tuning potential for these yet?
      Yes. I read someone already dynod the car and did 237whp 268tq but that's pretty impressive. Cobb already has a bunch of stuff coming out.
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      09-18-2012 07:24 PM #155
      Quote Originally Posted by Chmeeee View Post
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      09-18-2012 07:25 PM #156
      Came across an ST last night while driving home on a long, winding desert road between Las Vegas and my subdivision in a neighboring city. It had a lit-up LED license plate frame and a vanity plate that said something like "Ford ST." It was dark-colored (I couldn't tell the exact color because it was pitch black out). The guy kept revving on me (while we were driving), then accelarating past me, then hitting the brakes, then revving on me again.

      I will try not to judge all ST owners by my first experience. But this car might become the next Neon SRT-4.

      Also, I may or may not have gotten fed up with him and hammered the gas on my car to ultimately leave him far, far behind in my dust.
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      09-18-2012 07:37 PM #157
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Came across an ST last night while driving home on a long, winding desert road between Las Vegas and my subdivision in a neighboring city. It had a lit-up LED license plate frame and a vanity plate that said something like "Ford ST." It was dark-colored (I couldn't tell the exact color because it was pitch black out). The guy kept revving on me (while we were driving), then accelarating past me, then hitting the brakes, then revving on me again.

      I will try not to judge all ST owners by my first experience. But this car might become the next Neon SRT-4.

      Also, I may or may not have gotten fed up with him and hammered the gas on my car to ultimately leave him far, far behind in my dust.
      Ya it might become the Srt4 of today, until the Srt4 Dart comes out....
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      09-18-2012 07:40 PM #158
      The honest truth about Ford is they make **** product and they could care less about there damn customer. I made the mistake of buying 2011 Ford Fusion 32,xxx miles the damn transmission went . Under warranty right? BS - You pay for the labor and some parts it would have cost 1800 to fix. I called there customer service and all the rep said is "I'm sorry". Really sorry burn hell ford. I took the fusion and the wife's focus 2012 and trade them both on VW's never drive an american POS again!

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      09-18-2012 07:43 PM #159
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0TJett View Post
      The honest truth about Ford is they make **** product and they could care less about there damn customer. I made the mistake of buying 2011 Ford Fusion 32,xxx miles the damn transmission went . Under warranty right? BS - You pay for the labor and some parts it would have cost 1800 to fix. I called there customer service and all the rep said is "I'm sorry". Really sorry burn hell ford. I took the fusion and the wife's focus 2012 and trade them both on VW's never drive an american POS again!
      You might want to read some of the horror stories on here about VoA customer service and dealer crap before saying that...
      I love cars, but the problem is they are like schroedinger's hobby. They're always in a quantum superstate of being both awesome and a huge waste of time and money... until observation momentarily forces them into one state or another.

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      09-18-2012 07:50 PM #160
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Came across an ST last night while driving home on a long, winding desert road between Las Vegas and my subdivision in a neighboring city. It had a lit-up LED license plate frame and a vanity plate that said something like "Ford ST." It was dark-colored (I couldn't tell the exact color because it was pitch black out). The guy kept revving on me (while we were driving), then accelarating past me, then hitting the brakes, then revving on me again.

      I will try not to judge all ST owners by my first experience. But this car might become the next Neon SRT-4.

      Also, I may or may not have gotten fed up with him and hammered the gas on my car to ultimately leave him far, far behind in my dust.
      Sounds like you gave in to exactly what the other guy wanted you to do.

      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Yes. I read someone already dynod the car and did 237whp 268tq but that's pretty impressive. Cobb already has a bunch of stuff coming out.
      Nice, so that goes in line with what some of the reviewers are saying about the Ford 0-60 estimate being very conservative.

      Tuning potential on these looks pretty good, going by what Super Chips / Bluefin has been doing in the UK. The old MK1 225hp ST was good for +50bhp on a tune alone, +100 with stage 3 (upgraded intercooler, decat/high-flow cat). This is probably closer to the Golf R performance wise than the MS3 or WRX, so that makes it even a sweeter deal.

      I've heard the Recaro seats are amazing.
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      09-18-2012 07:55 PM #161
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0TJett View Post
      2011 Ford Fusion 32,xxx miles the damn transmission went

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      never drive an american POS again!
      Brilliant logic good chap.

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      09-18-2012 08:03 PM #162
      Quote Originally Posted by Chmeeee View Post
      Brilliant logic good chap.
      I find it hilarious we are questioning Ford reliability on a VW/Audi forum. At least if it breaks, it won't be $3k to fix.

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      09-18-2012 08:34 PM #163
      Bought my VW used with the warranty 2 years or 24,000 miles. I felt like the brakes where alittle soft took it in to my VW dealer and they replaced all the brake pads on the car. Volkswagen of america has amazing customer service! Thanks VW for standing behind your car after they are sold!!!!!! Unlike ford And VOA called me and asked how my service experience had been. Couldn't ask for more!

      PS - Have you noticed all the problem with Ford products go google Ford fusion bad transmission! Oh and look at all the fords being recalled!

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      Oh and yes i was aware of GM and ford making the transmission after i bought the POS and i couldn't care less . The damn car still says FORD i guess i should have took the POS to a chevy dealer... Its ok Ford that you make ****ty cars we will just blame another company!
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      09-18-2012 08:35 PM #164
      Quote Originally Posted by SchnellFowVay View Post
      Came across an ST last night while driving home on a long, winding desert road between Las Vegas and my subdivision in a neighboring city. It had a lit-up LED license plate frame and a vanity plate that said something like "Ford ST." It was dark-colored (I couldn't tell the exact color because it was pitch black out). The guy kept revving on me (while we were driving), then accelarating past me, then hitting the brakes, then revving on me again.

      I will try not to judge all ST owners by my first experience. But this car might become the next Neon SRT-4.

      Also, I may or may not have gotten fed up with him and hammered the gas on my car to ultimately leave him far, far behind in my dust.
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      09-18-2012 08:42 PM #165
      Quote Originally Posted by Chris_V View Post
      You might want to read some of the horror stories on here about VoA customer service and dealer crap before saying that...
      Ya I'm a loyal VAG fan, but I've been f*cked over a few times by VWOA myself. 1800 for a new trans is cheap. Try 3800 plus labor for a new mkv 5 speed made of glass.
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      09-18-2012 08:49 PM #166
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      Sounds like you gave in to exactly what the other guy wanted you to do.



      Nice, so that goes in line with what some of the reviewers are saying about the Ford 0-60 estimate being very conservative.

      Tuning potential on these looks pretty good, going by what Super Chips / Bluefin has been doing in the UK. The old MK1 225hp ST was good for +50bhp on a tune alone, +100 with stage 3 (upgraded intercooler, decat/high-flow cat). This is probably closer to the Golf R performance wise than the MS3 or WRX, so that makes it even a sweeter deal.

      I've heard the Recaro seats are amazing.
      It's also less prone to blow up like a ms3 and wrx! I think its safe to estimate 300whp on full bolt ons tuned of course. Stage 3 will always involve a larger turbo in my eyes.
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      09-18-2012 08:55 PM #167
      Yes its cheap for a transmission and im sure there's been bad things with VOA. But the damn car only had 32,000 miles on it and its under warranty i shouldn't have to pay 1800 cause you got with people from GM and made a ****ty transmission. < Just saying , i have owned many fords trucks/cars . And there cars don't even compare to a VW. Ford is just junk and we are seeing that with all there problems and recalls lately. They even sent letter to customer saying they where looking into problems with this transmission and we should come in and get the ECU reprogram by are local dealer which i did do, got to my local dealer and they told me it was already done before i bought it! All i can say is we are very pleased with the level of service from VOA and the performance of are VW's and i will never buy a ford again and will tell anyone how big of pos they are. < Just my thoughts


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      09-18-2012 09:11 PM #168
      So you paid for a transmission replacement while your car was under warranty? Did you also pay your friendly local Nigerian Prince the transfer fee for the ass raping jackpot?
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    29. 09-18-2012 09:42 PM #169
      Quote Originally Posted by jepva View Post
      I find it hilarious we are questioning Ford reliability on a VW/Audi forum. At least if it breaks, it won't be $3k to fix.
      i have been treated way better by vag than ford, although maybe a big part is the particular dealer, which in my caseripped me off pretty good on out of warranty work and that has not happened w/ vw

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      09-18-2012 09:52 PM #170
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0TJett View Post
      Yes its cheap for a transmission and im sure there's been bad things with VOA. But the damn car only had 32,000 miles on it and its under warranty i shouldn't have to pay 1800 cause you got with people from GM and made a ****ty transmission. < Just saying , i have owned many fords trucks/cars . And there cars don't even compare to a VW. Ford is just junk and we are seeing that with all there problems and recalls lately. They even sent letter to customer saying they where looking into problems with this transmission and we should come in and get the ECU reprogram by are local dealer which i did do, got to my local dealer and they told me it was already done before i bought it! All i can say is we are very pleased with the level of service from VOA and the performance of are VW's and i will never buy a ford again and will tell anyone how big of pos they are. < Just my thoughts

      Lol seriously .....thats why ford is ranked higher on quality survey and volkswagen in the bottom, my 2007 has a nice electric steering that likes to turn off once the temperature goes over 80 degrees, took it to the dealer $1900 to replace the rack , my hand break line snapped they charged me $600 to fix , my exterior lights burn out once in every 3 months , my a/c making weird noises i don't want to ask how much that cost to fix , my backseat cup holders fell a part , my door handle cover is peeling , my car is paid off so i don't really care anymore

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      09-18-2012 10:02 PM #171
      Quote Originally Posted by hardcore4life View Post
      Lol seriously .....thats why ford is ranked higher on quality survey and volkswagen in the bottom, my 2007 has a nice electric steering that likes to turn off once the temperature goes over 80 degrees, took it to the dealer $1900 to replace the rack , my hand break line snapped they charged me $600 to fix , my exterior lights burn out once in every 3 months , my a/c making weird noises i don't want to ask how much that cost to fix , my backseat cup holders fell a part , my door handle cover is peeling , my car is paid off so i don't really care anymore
      Dude if you ever need help with that mkv let me know. I'm pretty good at fixing them..
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      09-18-2012 10:11 PM #172
      Quote Originally Posted by kevin FaKiN spLits View Post
      Dude if you ever need help with that mkv let me know. I'm pretty good at fixing them..
      It's kind of sucks when you buy a german car that it needs to be fixed constantly

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      09-18-2012 10:21 PM #173
      Quote Originally Posted by hardcore4life View Post
      It's kind of sucks when you buy a german car that it needs to be fixed constantly
      I love my mkv! I have 2 of them. I knew better than to buy a FSI though with the whole cam follower issue. 2.5l all day for me with a occasional vr6 tossed in.

      I've been lucky with mine. All problems have been because of Eurojet parts.
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    34. 09-18-2012 10:23 PM #174
      Powerful engine, nice looks and quality interior ( delicious seats!!!! not for fatties!!! ) but its two cramped inside. I would consider a Golf over the Focus because of that one issue.

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      09-18-2012 10:28 PM #175
      Quote Originally Posted by roccostud View Post
      Powerful engine, nice looks and quality interior ( delicious seats!!!! not for fatties!!! ) but its two cramped inside. I would consider a Golf over the Focus because of that one issue.
      Wait , people constantly complaining that cars getting bigger each update and when a car company doesn't do that then it's a problem? Reason why i choose the focus st over the golf because i miss the small hatchbacks .

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