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    Thread: SICK/INJURED Min Pin Puppy....

    1. 09-08-2012 02:58 PM #26
      I think it's more alarming that you don't seem to have the ability to gauge the degree of the situation. How you thought a 4 week old puppy was just going to be OK after a fall like that is beyond me. Should have been to the vet within hours at the most.

      Upon my first post in here, I was quite surprised the dog was still alive a month later. I put the blame equally on all parties involved.

    2. 09-08-2012 05:08 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by STOICH View Post
      I think it's more alarming that you don't seem to have the ability to gauge the degree of the situation. How you thought a 4 week old puppy was just going to be OK after a fall like that is beyond me. Should have been to the vet within hours at the most.

      Upon my first post in here, I was quite surprised the dog was still alive a month later. I put the blame equally on all parties involved.

      Initially after about an hour she was 100% fine no change in behavior/ appetite was still very good she as she loved eating her food fast, but yea you're correct she should have gotten a check up now in hindsight.

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      09-08-2012 07:35 PM #28
      I'll try to be constructive, but it's pushing it:

      The dog should have gone to the vet the day of the incident, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it. Since that wasn't done, the dog obviously needs to see a vet now and that's not open for debate. If money is an issue (which it apparently is), like others have already said, find someone to work with you. You said you found someone to do the initial exam for $50, get it done. That visit will determine the next course of action whether that is treatment (which probably won't happen since nobody involved in this seems to have any money) or just euthanasia since the dog cannot be allowed to suffer. Obviously some vets are going to be more flexible than others.

      I'm an animal cruelty investigator - depending on where you live and the laws in the area, you or anyone involved in this could be charged with animal cruelty for neglecting to care for the animal. I understand you are financially challenged, so am I. But the hard fact of the matter is that keeping animals is expensive and is a responsibility. How do I know? I've currently got six furry critters living with me in my house I deal with cases all of the time like yours where someone is trying to do the right thing, but the owner is refusing. We just did a case last week where we are bringing the person up on charges because their dog got torn apart by another dog, and she was just leaving it out on her porch. Why? No money, go figure. She's going to pay the price now (even though it's a misdemeanor out here - sigh.....).

      If the owner isn't cooperating with you, start by calling local animal control and advise them of the situation. Call the local police/sheriff's if that doesn't work. They might not be willing/able to do anything, but a lot of times if they refer a case to animal control, they're more willing to do their jobs (I was in law enforcement for 16 years - ask me how I know). Next step would be to contact your local animal rights/welfare groups in the area like the one I'm looking for (you may actually want to call them first). Many of them offer free or reduced cost services for people in your situations or they may be able to refer you to someone who can. Surrendering the animal to a welfare organization may also be an option since some of them will take care of the medical treatment of the animal before placing it for adoption (not all - depends on their budget, etc.). My organization is pretty good that way - we've got full time vets, surgeons, techs, etc. on staff and we bend over backwards to rehabilitate the animals. The dog I mentioned earlier was seized by us and the sheriff's and got treatment. The dog is good to go now. Even if they wont' care for it, they will take care of euthanizing the animal if it comes to that. Some charge a surrender fee, some don't.

      Good luck with it either way.

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      09-08-2012 11:00 PM #29
      I don't understand. Who was breeding these dogs? Why were they breeding them? Why was a toddler left unattended near puppies that young?

    5. 09-09-2012 05:48 AM #30
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      I'll try to be constructive, but it's pushing it:

      The dog should have gone to the vet the day of the incident, no "ifs" "ands" or "buts" about it. Since that wasn't done, the dog obviously needs to see a vet now and that's not open for debate. If money is an issue (which it apparently is), like others have already said, find someone to work with you. You said you found someone to do the initial exam for $50, get it done. That visit will determine the next course of action whether that is treatment (which probably won't happen since nobody involved in this seems to have any money) or just euthanasia since the dog cannot be allowed to suffer. Obviously some vets are going to be more flexible than others.

      I'm an animal cruelty investigator - depending on where you live and the laws in the area, you or anyone involved in this could be charged with animal cruelty for neglecting to care for the animal. I understand you are financially challenged, so am I. But the hard fact of the matter is that keeping animals is expensive and is a responsibility. How do I know? I've currently got six furry critters living with me in my house I deal with cases all of the time like yours where someone is trying to do the right thing, but the owner is refusing. We just did a case last week where we are bringing the person up on charges because their dog got torn apart by another dog, and she was just leaving it out on her porch. Why? No money, go figure. She's going to pay the price now (even though it's a misdemeanor out here - sigh.....).

      If the owner isn't cooperating with you, start by calling local animal control and advise them of the situation. Call the local police/sheriff's if that doesn't work. They might not be willing/able to do anything, but a lot of times if they refer a case to animal control, they're more willing to do their jobs (I was in law enforcement for 16 years - ask me how I know). Next step would be to contact your local animal rights/welfare groups in the area like the one I'm looking for (you may actually want to call them first). Many of them offer free or reduced cost services for people in your situations or they may be able to refer you to someone who can. Surrendering the animal to a welfare organization may also be an option since some of them will take care of the medical treatment of the animal before placing it for adoption (not all - depends on their budget, etc.). My organization is pretty good that way - we've got full time vets, surgeons, techs, etc. on staff and we bend over backwards to rehabilitate the animals. The dog I mentioned earlier was seized by us and the sheriff's and got treatment. The dog is good to go now. Even if they wont' care for it, they will take care of euthanizing the animal if it comes to that. Some charge a surrender fee, some don't.

      Good luck with it either way.


      I had spoken to the humane society they had nothing open until september 19th, which was too far of a date.
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    6. 09-09-2012 05:55 AM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by GTiTOM
      Why was a toddler left unattended near puppies that young?



      This dog was very friendly and damn sharp for its age as most min pins are, it would play with the boy all the time in my supervision me with no problems.

      The toddler wasn't unattended a family member was present, tried to stop it from happening but werent able to grab the dog in time.

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      09-09-2012 10:33 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Impeccable View Post
      This dog was very friendly and damn sharp for its age as most min pins are, it would play with the boy all the time in my supervision me with no problems.

      The toddler wasn't unattended a family member was present, tried to stop it from happening but werent able to grab the dog in time.
      I've never raised puppies, but I can't imagine letting a toddler go near a 4 week old puppy in any capacity besides direct supervision.

      And still curious about my other questions: Who was breeding these dogs? Why were they breeding them?

    8. 09-09-2012 02:49 PM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by GTiTOM View Post
      I've never raised puppies, but I can't imagine letting a toddler go near a 4 week old puppy in any capacity besides direct supervision.

      And still curious about my other questions: Who was breeding these dogs? Why were they breeding them?
      The owner is breeding them as the mother and father are great examples of min pins 100% great temperment , pure breed, I had taken care of about 2 prior to this one without a hitch. The last 2 were sold to local people (the whole family meets up sometimes at the dog park).
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      09-09-2012 03:56 PM #34
      Quote Originally Posted by Impeccable View Post
      The owner is breeding them as the mother and father are great examples of min pins 100% great temperment , pure breed, I had taken care of about 2 prior to this one without a hitch. The last 2 were sold to local people (the whole family meets up sometimes at the dog park).
      Tell them to stop breeding (and stop enabling them) if they can't even afford basic vet care and don't have the facilities to properly care for the puppies.

      And do you mean the last 2 puppies or the last 2 litters?

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      09-09-2012 05:29 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by GTiTOM View Post
      Tell them to stop breeding (and stop enabling them) if they can't even afford basic vet care and don't have the facilities to properly care for the puppies.

      And do you mean the last 2 puppies or the last 2 litters?
      Exactly. These people need to be shut down. I emailed a friend of mine who volunteers with the Humane Society. Just wondering if they'd have any records of someone calling to try and get an appointment for something like this. From other posts, sounds like the guy is from NYC.

      This whole thing is just disgusting. Who on Earth breeds puppies, then hands them off at 4 weeks of age to someone else? Where is the mother dog? There is just so much wrong in this situation it's not even funny.
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      09-09-2012 08:52 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by pdoel View Post

      This whole thing is just disgusting. Who on Earth breeds puppies, then hands them off at 4 weeks of age to someone else? Where is the mother dog? There is just so much wrong in this situation it's not even funny.
      It's really sad. And the fact that the OP doesn't see anything wrong with it just sees it as an accident and not negligence is an issue. And the need to breed them because they're perfect examples of the breed

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      09-09-2012 09:11 PM #37
      Quote Originally Posted by pdoel View Post
      Exactly. These people need to be shut down. I emailed a friend of mine who volunteers with the Humane Society. Just wondering if they'd have any records of someone calling to try and get an appointment for something like this. From other posts, sounds like the guy is from NYC.

      This whole thing is just disgusting. Who on Earth breeds puppies, then hands them off at 4 weeks of age to someone else? Where is the mother dog? There is just so much wrong in this situation it's not even funny.
      You'd be surprised - that's one of our major things we investigate are puppy mills. This sounds like more of a case of someone who just keeps breeding their dogs and then sells them. There are a lot of responsible breeders out there and there are a lot that aren't. Many of them just want the quick buck for people who are stupid enough (yes I went there) to pay $500 or more dollars for a puppy. The sad thing in this case is if they are actively breeding, then obviously there should be veterinary care involved. They obviously don't care about selling off their dogs before they are properly weened. The OP doesn't really seem to be helping the situation any. The other real problem is that really isn't a whole lot that anyone can do about it. There are very few laws out there that govern this type of activity - most states don't have any. Here in Texas, as long as you are providing your non livestock animals with food, water, and shelter - there isn't anything that can be done.

      This is why there is pet over population and various groups and state/local governments spend millions of dollars every year on various campaigns to stop breeding, spay/neuter programs, "no more homeless pets", etc. These are the people who are contributing to the problem instead of trying to be part of the solution. It's always the same - "Oh, we don't have any money to take care of them". Then don't buy or adopt pets, it's that freaking simple. Just like with kids - you don't have the money and/or are not going to provide them with basic health care, you probably shouldn't have any.

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