2014 Volkswagen Golf R to get 276 BHP

[EZ]

And add me to the list of people that are content with these rumors. Would I like 300+ hp stock? Sure. But at 6'5" with two growing 5-year-olds, I'm just as happy with a slight hp bump, more interior room and lighter weight. I think the Golf looks good, and assume the R will look great.

[Sep R]

If there is still one around. Production stopped in August.

Until I hear it from VW, or Jamie , I'm not buying that we'll see a 2014 R in the US. I also wouldn't bet that you'll still be able to get a 2013 R in March. It's possible, but in the configuration you want? Not sure.

All i need is a RB w/ navi... 4 door would be sweet, 2 door would be suffice.

[Cozotess18]

All i need is a RB w/ navi... 4 door would be sweet, 2 door would be suffice.

I can't imagine there won't be used, low mileage Rs available in March. New, I'd think very few.

[merog]

The VW Golf R mk7 to get 290hp! coming 3 quarter 2013
The VW Golf GTI/GTD (220/185hp) coming summer 2013

[Cozotess18]

Is it confirmed that the NA market is getting the R VII? There was such a battle getting the VI to be available for NA. Or, it it a done deal that it's coming, and if so, will it be limited production? Not that I really care if it's limited or not. The way people are discussing it, it sounds like it's coming for sure and the question is when?

[ImagerR]

General Rule: 10 lbs weight saved feels like 1 hp gained.

So dropping 150 lbs feels like gaining ~15 hp.


And for the rest, we have any number of quality tuners to choose from.

A friend of mine reminded me of this in a different situation- mountain biking. He happens to be an excellent mountain biker and he noticed how lots of biking enthusiasts would spend hundreds/thousands of $$$ to save a few grams here and a few grams there. A much cheaper way to lose riding weight (bicycle with rider ad gear) is to lose rider weight, ie. go on a diet. One could literally lose tens of pounds!

I mention this story so that from now until the release of the next R, if individual who has "excess" body stores loses 50 lbs, he/she would "gain" an additional 5 hp. Gotta plan ahead!

[Sep R]

I can't imagine there won't be used, low mileage Rs available in March. New, I'd think very few.

hohum... probably would get a better deal on a new one from the dealer tho w/ financing. just keeping the fingers crossed

[WonderBucket]

Get that car. The next r isn't coming for yes. Enjoy the mk6 and chip it at the very least. The r comes into its own once chipped. Extremely fun to drive!

x2. You wait for the MK7 R and the MK8 R will be announced/rumored...and so on and so on...

Enjoy the new ride!

[Waterfan]

Argh was planning on taking deliver of a mk6 golf r in 10 days. Very excited but now I'm nervous...

After all the misinformation with the mk6 golf R I can't help but think 2014 golf r in 2013 is unlikely. But I would certainly possibly kick myself if it came out soon both on resale and on cool factor not to mention the newer engine architecture...

Halp

Make no mistake, the MK6 Golf R is a sexy SEXY car. (if you value modest good looks with street-shredding performance). Not a bad choice no matter what the future holds.

Despite what might be guessed at in the press, it's my opinion that North America is ALWAYS at risk of never seeing another R version with each new generation (or we are at risk of getting it YEARS behind EU at least). I think every generation VW reassess whether they should bring the Golf R to NA, or simply let those that want AWD move upscale into Audi's.

If the GTD version comes to NA, I think that will make the potential R market even smaller (and reduce chances or delay release further)

Plan on a 2-yr wait minimum for the MK7 R release to NA. You can enjoy your MK6 for ~2 years and resell it in its prime if you want to change into an MK7 R later.

All of the above are my opinions only.

Good luck with your decision.

[Waterfan]

The VW Golf R mk7 to get 290hp! coming 3 quarter 2013
The VW Golf GTI/GTD (220/185hp) coming summer 2013

Source?

[Cozotess18]

Make no mistake, the MK6 Golf R is a sexy SEXY car. (if you value modest good looks with street-shredding performance). Not a bad choice no matter what the future holds.

Despite what might be guessed at in the press, it's my opinion that North America is ALWAYS at risk of never seeing another R version with each new generation (or we are at risk of getting it YEARS behind EU at least). I think every generation VW reassess whether they should bring the Golf R to NA, or simply let those that want AWD move upscale into Audi's.

If the GTD version comes to NA, I think that will make the potential R market even smaller (and reduce chances or delay release further)

Plan on a 2-yr wait minimum for the MK7 R release to NA. You can enjoy your MK6 for ~2 years and resell it in its prime if you want to change into an MK7 R later.

All of the above are my opinions only.

Good luck with your decision.

Totally agree with you. And if the GTD version comes to NA, I'd seriously consider it.

[merog]

My source
http://vacn.no/artikler/81-nyheter/3...f-mkvii-er-her
(norwegian, use google trans...)
That info comes from the norwegian product manager for VW. So I will say it's true.

[Waterfan]

My source
http://vacn.no/artikler/81-nyheter/3...f-mkvii-er-her
(norwegian, use google trans...)
That info comes from the norwegian product manager for VW. So I will say it's true.

Thanks for this.

I think many of us are from North America (US), and we always need to differentiate between:
1. What Europe gets
2. What may eventually come as 'stripped down' versions to the US.

Certainly helpful, but we really won't know what 'we' (US) get until announced by VWoA.

[1-VW]

276 hp is fine with me, what isn't fine is a 4WD setup that defaults to FWD most of the time. With the current Golf-R if you gently ease onto the brake going into a corner it opens the clutches resorting to a full FWD under-steering pig with all the engine & transmission loads being jettisoned to the front wheels. The next R needs to have a much more aggressive 4WD setup.

[vr6fanatic]

I highly doubt that we will see another Golf R in 2014. It seems that volkswagen is going with a 4 year stint...MKIV R32 2004....MKV R32 2008....MKVI GOLF R 2012...I am assuming the next R will be slated for 2016

[neonhor]

how about a 2.5t from the tt rs. I would so buy the golf R

[Doedrums]

I highly doubt that we will see another Golf R in 2014. It seems that volkswagen is going with a 4 year stint...MKIV R32 2004....MKV R32 2008....MKVI GOLF R 2012...I am assuming the next R will be slated for 2016

It has been suggested that the US might be going to a EU product cycle with the R. Becoming a multi year model that is still limited production vs all in one year/run. Time will tell.

[Doedrums]

how about a 2.5t from the tt rs. I would so buy the golf R

Yes but would you pay $45k for it?

[BC R]

276 hp is fine with me, what isn't fine is a 4WD setup that defaults to FWD most of the time. With the current Golf-R if you gently ease onto the brake going into a corner it opens the clutches resorting to a full FWD under-steering pig with all the engine & transmission loads being jettisoned to the front wheels. The next R needs to have a much more aggressive 4WD setup.

That is what the HPA competition controller is for. The car stays 4WD through the turn including during both braking into the turn and acceleration out of the turn. And it sends much more torque to the rear. The stock controller does not ramp up rear as engine output goes up- it leaves all incremental torque to the front. I am getting mine next week including 4WD dyno before and after.

[BC R]

It has been suggested that the US might be going to a EU product cycle with the R. Becoming a multi year model that is still limited production vs all in one year/run. Time will tell.

The dealer (in Canada) told me that we will not be getting any more German-built Golf R. The new ones (if any) will be built either in USA or Mexico.

[dmorrow]

It has been suggested that the US might be going to a EU product cycle with the R. Becoming a multi year model that is still limited production vs all in one year/run. Time will tell.

Suggested by TCL or a real source?

[Doedrums]

The dealer (in Canada) told me that we will not be getting any more German-built Golf R. The new ones (if any) will be built either in USA or Mexico.

Where it will be built is irrelevant to how many years it's available.

Suggested by TCL or a real source?

IIRC, Jamie posted that VW was considering making the R available for four years of MKVII production. We'll how that works out.

[Pathfinder2041]

Sources close to VW engineering chief Ulrich Hackenberg also say there are moves to introduce a new performance-orientated Golf R diesel. Nothing is official at this stage, but talk centres around a twin-turbocharged 2.0-litre engine producing up to 222bhp.

Golf RD anybody??

[Pathfinder2041]

Yes but would you pay $45k for it?

if interior and exterior were upgraded to show the true wolf in wolf's clothes... yes!

[Waterfan]

IIRC, Jamie posted that VW was considering making the R available for four years of MKVII production. We'll how that works out.

No disrespect to Jaime, but VWoA has a DECADES long history of "considering" making models available to the US and then never does so, or only does so for an EXTREMELY limited amount of time (and always with fewer/differnt features). "Decades" is too kind, this is their entire history: Tease us for years and then never deliver, or deliver very late.

I am happy if I am wrong, but I am highly, HIGHLY skeptical. VWoA has given us NO reseaon to believe that this time will be any different. (relocating production to NA doesn't convince me at all)

[BC R]

Golf RD anybody??

How would this work with DPF and HPFP?

[BClear]

Oh boy! The top-tier Golf is not going to have the same power as the base Genesis Coupe. What a joke. 275 was a big number a decade ago, but not anymore. A V6 Accord makes that. The MK7 GTI needs to have 250hp to stay competitive and the Golf R needs have 300+.

[Baylorguy]

With all due respect to the power lovers... and I am one of them... it is not always about power. We all know the Golf R can reliably be made quite fast with few modifications.

I guess if you track your car I would understand, but this is my daily driver. Volkswagen is obviously selling these cars... so if it has been a successful formula, they will bump horsepower a bit, but it is not going to be the earth shattering change enthusiasts want.

[SPM_GTI]

Oh boy! The top-tier Golf is not going to have the same power as the base Genesis Coupe. What a joke. 275 was a big number a decade ago, but not anymore. A V6 Accord makes that. The MK7 GTI needs to have 250hp to stay competitive and the Golf R needs have 300+.

I totally understand that point of view - and would also love to see those numbers.

however, I dont think anyone is in these forums because of it. VW has never really been known for high horsepower. thats why we mod

[WeeDub11]

BClear you also have to realize that torque is important too... Vw provides very balanced power delivery and a broad power band. It's not all about numbers. Hyundai is very progressive with their motors, but if it shows anything I'm trading in a 1yr used sonata 2.0T bc the driving experience is numb and disconnected. Reviews of the turbo veloster demonstrate the same. Great cars, but very different. Not to mention Hyundai goes by the books with reporting hp/torque prior to drivetrain loss correction... VWs numbers are frequently very similar to whp.

[BClear]

BClear you also have to realize that torque is important too... Vw provides very balanced power delivery and a broad power band. It's not all about numbers. Hyundai is very progressive with their motors, but if it shows anything I'm trading in a 1yr used sonata 2.0T bc the driving experience is numb and disconnected. Reviews of the turbo veloster demonstrate the same. Great cars, but very different. Not to mention Hyundai goes by the books with reporting hp/torque prior to drivetrain loss correction... VWs numbers are frequently very similar to whp.

WeeDub, I realize the importance of torque in a driving experience. I'm happy to hear about ValveLift coming to the next generation of EA888s, and as a result torque should be up significantly. I also realize, as I hope most enthusiasts do, that it's not about peak numbers, but rather the area under the curve.

Regardless, VW's numbers are consistently behind the competition. We can sit here all day and ramble about how the cars are so well-rounded, the interiors are nicer than the competition, the lack of torque steer, etc., and these are all things that I buy into and why I bought a GTI over of the competition and will probably buy another. I just wish VW would get on top of their power game. The Veloster Turbo comparison isn't fair because that's a 1.6L. Look at the 2013 Genny Coupe with the updated, twin-scroll turbocharged 2.0T. It makes solid numbers. As does BMW's new N20 motor. The MK7 GTI will probably come in with somewhere around 230hp and 250tq, and it'll be lighter so it'll be fine. 230hp isn't much to write home about as a 2014MY, but the torque should come in down low, and it'll be a well-rounded package as the GTI has always been. The next Golf R will be the same story.

Apparently it's impossible to have a well-rounded VW with a nice interior and anywhere near class leading power.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with Hyundai, and welcome to VW. Do a downpipe, intake, and tune on your upcoming R and enjoy it.

Here's this vid as some food for thought: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4uDzeDP1eo

The Golf R is a great car, and in a VW, I'm just looking for a nice DD and not a track monster. Please excuse me if I came off as a power hungry, teenage boy racer. I'm not. I don't drive a Neon SRT-4. I drive a GTI. Just wish VW would be competitive in all facets.

[feels_road]

Look at the 2013 Genny Coupe with the updated, twin-scroll turbocharged 2.0T. It makes solid numbers.

On paper.

As long as VW sells cars that make stated hp numbers ~at the wheels (and not the crank!), and that have solid torque much below peak power and a peak power that rather isn't peaky, I am fine. On real, public streets, you can't make use of much more power than the current R has, anyway.

Unless you are racing - in which case an unmodified FWD or FWD-biased AWD VW based on the #1 European family car may not be the best idea, anyway.

In fact, since I (think) I know what I am doing, I have never been passed or seriously followed in my local hill runs in the past 2 1/2 years with my .... TDI (which stock handles about the same as the GTI and has a great 2nd gear). There were a couple of EVOs and STIs that would keep up, but they didn't flash or bother me otherwise for slowness. I have received plenty of label-looks and , though. Of course, I know the road by heart and can drive it in fog-shrouded darkness no problem - so that helps, too.

The chassis and what you can do within the powerband are much more important.

[BClear]

On paper.

As long as VW sells cars that make stated hp numbers ~at the wheels (and not the crank!), and that have solid torque much below peak power and a peak power that rather isn't peaky, I am fine. On real, public streets, you can't make use of much more power than the current R has, anyway.

Unless you are racing - in which case an unmodified FWD or FWD-biased AWD VW based on the #1 European family car may not be the best idea, anyway.

In fact, since I (think) I know what I am doing, I have never been passed or seriously followed in my local hill runs in the past 2 1/2 years with my .... TDI (which stock handles about the same as the GTI and has a great 2nd gear). There were a couple of EVOs and STIs that would keep up, but they didn't flash or bother me otherwise for slowness. I have received plenty of label-looks and , though. Of course, I know the road by heart and can drive it in fog-shrouded darkness no problem - so that helps, too.

The chassis and what you can do within the powerband are much more important.

Agreed. I think we're all on the same page and starting to preach to the choir here.

+1 to you for driving a TDI well.

[feels_road]

Well, since the new S3 will be getting 300hp (confirmed directly from Audi), looks like the R will likely get a larger power jump than expected - and that without compromising on the power band!

[BC R]

As long as VW sells cars that make stated hp numbers ~at the wheels (and not the crank!)... I am fine.

What are you talking about? My R makes what it is supposed to make at the crank when it is cold. When it heats up to working temperatures it makes less but still within 10 HP of the advertised numbers. And that is with 94 gas. With 91 it drops another 10HP near red line. Wheel power is about 17% less than the advertised numbers. Wheel power line crosses 200HP line at 6100 RPM and then barely rises from there. All of this was measured at AWD dyno at HPA.