Every car does have its mechanical hiccups, R's have the water pump pulley or water pump issue(that usually destroys the engine which sucks if your into road trips) along with the clutch issues. The STI has the ringland/and lame pistons. At least if you do blow a ring you can still drive. Pistons are rare but affected 2008 and early 2009 which came with a lame tune. Running lean under full boost and K Booom. This is when Subaru had a STI ad showing the tack well into the red. That ad disappeared as pistons started to pop. But who drives with a stock tune
After trading cars for a few my friend and I came to the conclusion that the R and STI are like apples and oranges when it come to comparing. He was amazed with the cornering and exit speeds and also enjoyed the growly boxer sound. Its loud in there ! but a good loud as he said. Me in his car: ah the seats ! the interior !, not much engine noise or road noise very quiet, but under throttle sounded awesome ! Driving felt very planted, love the steering wheel the steering feel, had two ESP experiences both on corner exit but overall really a blast to drive.
Im in a holding pattern though hoping that the R VII will have more power and the ability to turn off ESP/ traction control. DSG would be nice to. I hope its safe to say, the R will only get better
Last edited by STITOR; 10-08-2012 at 10:36 PM.
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Mix in a lame VW dealer that want s to hassle you because you have stage 1 and the clutch is acting up. Their argument is "well the added power caused the problem" Yet there is many who are stock with same the issue.
The water pumps to are something to think about. . .
But getting way off track here, this is about the golf VII R. Im hoping they address these two issues which Im sure they will. Add the DSG, the newer engine, an even better interior which is already confirmed, and I will be trading in the STI Just hate waiting. . .
However, this all could be turned upside down depending on the specs of the 2014 STI along with their many interior upgrades, like the soft touch dash as seen in the Vdubs...again..waiting
Someone can feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe Jamie estimated the arrival date of the next Golf R for our market to be 2015 (assuming it's approved for sale for North America), which is approximately one year after the predicted introduction of the MKVII Golf and GTI (this is in car model years, I believe, not actual years). Part of this depends on whether or not the North American Golf production line is modified to accept all-wheel drive assembly. I've heard mixed things about this, but I think even if our production line can't accept AWD drivetrains, there's still the possibility of importing modified (to meet US standards) Euro-spec models from the original plant in Wolfsburg.
The upside to the former is that localized production will hopefully lead to cost savings for VW and a lower price for us (the consumer), especially if it shares chassis components with the electric Golf** (which is probably also projected to sell in low numbers like the Golf R). The downside to the latter is that if it's produced in Wolfsburg and shipped here like the current Golf R, the price will likely either stay the same or go up (not down) and VW will be losing money on every car sold (as it probably does currently), and thus will be less inclined to sell it for the entire run of the MKVII Golf.
By Jamie's own admission, none of this has been set in stone yet and is currently being decided on right now. I don't know what their deadlines/timelines/calender looks like, but I would imagine that we should hear something more concrete next year. I did see a rumor thrown about, though, that VW was considering expanding their AWD offerings in the NA market. If the Golf/Jetta Alltrack is approved for us, and is built locally, that's another reason to add AWD capability to the plant where our Golfs will be built and another reason to sell the Golf R here as a standard model.
Conservative though they may be, with the competition really stepping it up right now, I can't see VW just resting quietly on their laurels while the other automakers slowly catch up in interior quality, power levels, and such. Honda already saw the error of doing this with the 2012 Civic and immediately released an 'emergency refresh' for 2013 (only one year later) to fix all the heavy criticisms leveled at their best selling compact. What I see, however, is how this shared MQB platform technology will end up benefiting us, the enthusiasts, in the long run because they can use various components of mass market models like the Alltrack and Golf Blue-E-Motion to reduce the cost of finally offering the Golf R to us as a standard model starting with the MKVII.
** - Regarding the electric Golf (or whatever they decide to name it), supposedly it will share lots of lightweight components with the next Golf R, such as aluminum and carbon fiber pieces. While the electric car will be doing this to offset the extra weight of batteries, the Golf R will simply benefit from it by having lower overall weight compared to a standard Golf or GTI. This will also hopefully offset the extra weight of the AWD/Haldex system. But again, this is all based loosely on a combination of rumor, VW press releases, and random bits that various VW people have let slip, so take it with a grain of salt.
There’s more to it than that, though. I feel the fast Golf is a part of me. We’ve grown up together. When it came along, all simple and full of fun, I was living in a flat in London. Now it’s soft and luxurious and I’m slouched in a house in the Cotswolds. It’s like 1970s rock music. New stuff comes along which I’m sure is cleaner and better produced but it doesn’t have the heart and soul of the original.
From the EVO IV to the EVO VIII, 10 years (1996-2005), there was no change in power at all in normal production models.
Even only looking at the EVOs we've had in the states, EVO's 8-10, years 2003- present (10 years), they've only gone from 276 to 291hp, 15hp in 10 years.
Although I agree I want the R to have more power, they are doing well considering how much other company's have changed in the same amount of time.
New Cayman has 276hp which makes for a fun car in part to many other factors.
2012 GTI / 2010 VW Routan / 2002 S2000
2002 996 targa / 2007 RX8 / 2006 GTI / 2006 A3 / 2003 WRX / 2000 Golf TDI / 1987 Wrangler / 1987 RX7 Turbo / 1984 RX7 GSL-SE / 1982 RX7 / 1978 280Z / 1977 Buick Century
Latest report is the 2014 Golf R will have 286hp / 280tq, and a 0-62 time of 5 seconds flat. Nice to see this kind of performance straight from the factory.
2014 Golf R by Dscot8r!2, on Flickr
Lots and lots of money spent...