2014 Volkswagen Golf R to get 276 BHP

[boostin20]

Woopty frickin doo, in ten years the car will have gained only 30 horse power. So pathetic VW, so pathetic. In the mean time the evo and sti will get 400 horsepower and cost the same as the R.

Lol, wut. No.

They are keeping those cars to around 300 crank hp.

[feels_road]

What are you talking about? My R makes what it is supposed to make at the crank when it is cold. When it heats up to working temperatures it makes less but still within 10 HP of the advertised numbers.

Well, perhaps you have a lower end example, or dynoed it on something inaccurate. There are tens of dynos out there showing ~advertized hp at the wheels.

[steaguejr]

But in the meantime, the Evo and STI look like absolute crap once you open the door.

I'd have to agree with you. Every time they do a test drive from all three of these cars, each time they say that the R was the most fun to drive with great quality.

[STITOR]

You obviously don't know those cars. The STI has had 305hp since 2005. The Evo has had a 5-10hp jump with each generation, but is at 291hp now. Mitsubishi has announced that they are going to stop making the Evo.

The newest generation of the STI is said to have 330hp. So not a big up grade by any means.

The STI will never be 400hp, other than a tuner version, because the motor is terribly high strung and fragile as is. They are notorious for cracked ringlands on stock power levels.

The R will always be a better car. Better made and more reliable. So what if it isn't the most powerful. You don't buy this car to be the fastest out there. Trust me, every Subaru/Mitsubishi owner would be envious if they sat in an R, GTI or even standard Golf.

I own a STI and have test driven 2 golf R's, one with a dealer one with a friend who has the Stage 1 APR with HPFP. Yes the interiors on the R's are awesome and the seats too, even the sound system sounds pretty darn good. Its a very sexy car indeed esp with the removal of the off road ride height set up. My friend has the HR sport springs which really adds to the sexiness.
Every car does have its mechanical hiccups, R's have the water pump pulley or water pump issue(that usually destroys the engine which sucks if your into road trips) along with the clutch issues. The STI has the ringland/and lame pistons. At least if you do blow a ring you can still drive. Pistons are rare but affected 2008 and early 2009 which came with a lame tune. Running lean under full boost and K Booom. This is when Subaru had a STI ad showing the tack well into the red. That ad disappeared as pistons started to pop. But who drives with a stock tune
After trading cars for a few my friend and I came to the conclusion that the R and STI are like apples and oranges when it come to comparing. He was amazed with the cornering and exit speeds and also enjoyed the growly boxer sound. Its loud in there ! but a good loud as he said. Me in his car: ah the seats ! the interior !, not much engine noise or road noise very quiet, but under throttle sounded awesome ! Driving felt very planted, love the steering wheel the steering feel, had two ESP experiences both on corner exit but overall really a blast to drive.
Im in a holding pattern though hoping that the R VII will have more power and the ability to turn off ESP/ traction control. DSG would be nice to. I hope its safe to say, the R will only get better

[Ruderegime]

Golf VII R please come to the states with DSG!!!!!!

[feels_road]

[COLOR="seagreen"] Every car does have its mechanical hiccups, R's have the water pump pulley or water pump issue(that usually destroys the engine which sucks if your into road trips) along with the clutch issues.

That's an incredibly huge exaggeration. There was an issue with a certain built interval of water pumps that affected fewer than a handful of people. And the clutch is perfectly fine, stock. If you upgrade to stage 2, that's a different issue: the power gain is so huge that one should not expect the stock clutch to last very long.

[STITOR]

That's an incredibly huge exaggeration. There was an issue with a certain built interval of water pumps that affected fewer than a handful of people. And the clutch is perfectly fine, stock. If you upgrade to stage 2, that's a different issue: the power gain is so huge that one should not expect the stock clutch to last very long.

The clutch is something to think about especially if your going to do stage 1 or more.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea...roubles-thread.

Mix in a lame VW dealer that want s to hassle you because you have stage 1 and the clutch is acting up. Their argument is "well the added power caused the problem" Yet there is many who are stock with same the issue.

The water pumps to are something to think about. . .

But getting way off track here, this is about the golf VII R. Im hoping they address these two issues which Im sure they will. Add the DSG, the newer engine, an even better interior which is already confirmed, and I will be trading in the STI Just hate waiting. . .

However, this all could be turned upside down depending on the specs of the 2014 STI along with their many interior upgrades, like the soft touch dash as seen in the Vdubs...again..waiting

[wildhare]

A DSG would be very nice indeed!

[randomkoreanguy]

Someone can feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe Jamie estimated the arrival date of the next Golf R for our market to be 2015 (assuming it's approved for sale for North America), which is approximately one year after the predicted introduction of the MKVII Golf and GTI (this is in car model years, I believe, not actual years). Part of this depends on whether or not the North American Golf production line is modified to accept all-wheel drive assembly. I've heard mixed things about this, but I think even if our production line can't accept AWD drivetrains, there's still the possibility of importing modified (to meet US standards) Euro-spec models from the original plant in Wolfsburg.

The upside to the former is that localized production will hopefully lead to cost savings for VW and a lower price for us (the consumer), especially if it shares chassis components with the electric Golf** (which is probably also projected to sell in low numbers like the Golf R). The downside to the latter is that if it's produced in Wolfsburg and shipped here like the current Golf R, the price will likely either stay the same or go up (not down) and VW will be losing money on every car sold (as it probably does currently), and thus will be less inclined to sell it for the entire run of the MKVII Golf.

By Jamie's own admission, none of this has been set in stone yet and is currently being decided on right now. I don't know what their deadlines/timelines/calender looks like, but I would imagine that we should hear something more concrete next year. I did see a rumor thrown about, though, that VW was considering expanding their AWD offerings in the NA market. If the Golf/Jetta Alltrack is approved for us, and is built locally, that's another reason to add AWD capability to the plant where our Golfs will be built and another reason to sell the Golf R here as a standard model.

Conservative though they may be, with the competition really stepping it up right now, I can't see VW just resting quietly on their laurels while the other automakers slowly catch up in interior quality, power levels, and such. Honda already saw the error of doing this with the 2012 Civic and immediately released an 'emergency refresh' for 2013 (only one year later) to fix all the heavy criticisms leveled at their best selling compact. What I see, however, is how this shared MQB platform technology will end up benefiting us, the enthusiasts, in the long run because they can use various components of mass market models like the Alltrack and Golf Blue-E-Motion to reduce the cost of finally offering the Golf R to us as a standard model starting with the MKVII.

** - Regarding the electric Golf (or whatever they decide to name it), supposedly it will share lots of lightweight components with the next Golf R, such as aluminum and carbon fiber pieces. While the electric car will be doing this to offset the extra weight of batteries, the Golf R will simply benefit from it by having lower overall weight compared to a standard Golf or GTI. This will also hopefully offset the extra weight of the AWD/Haldex system. But again, this is all based loosely on a combination of rumor, VW press releases, and random bits that various VW people have let slip, so take it with a grain of salt.

[eurolife]

Woopty frickin doo, in ten years the car will have gained only 30 horse power. So pathetic VW, so pathetic. In the mean time the evo and sti will get 400 horsepower and cost the same as the R.

I hate to bring up an old part of a thread, but I don't get what you're getting at. From its conception in 1992 when evos had 244hp, they've only gained 47hp. So in 20 years, the evos have only gained 47, and in 10 years Volkswagen has gained or will have gained 30.

From the EVO IV to the EVO VIII, 10 years (1996-2005), there was no change in power at all in normal production models.

Even only looking at the EVOs we've had in the states, EVO's 8-10, years 2003- present (10 years), they've only gone from 276 to 291hp, 15hp in 10 years.

Although I agree I want the R to have more power, they are doing well considering how much other company's have changed in the same amount of time.

[Optical TDI]

New Cayman has 276hp which makes for a fun car in part to many other factors.

[R32ManiaK]

reported in another post credible source says it will have 290hp,still a bit disappointed it will have the same 2.0t as the GTI basically, really was hoping for the 2.5t 5cyl

[feels_road]

reported in another post credible source says it will have 290hp,still a bit disappointed it will have the same 2.0t as the GTI basically, really was hoping for the 2.5t 5cyl

You can always spend your $50,000+ with Audi.

[R32ManiaK]

i understand the cost factor, i would consider a A3 RS with that motor if it was offered with dsg but its not and i for some reason can only see my next vehicle beng another VW.

[Cozotess18]

You can always spend your $50,000+ with Audi.

true

[Waterfan]

I hate to bring up an old part of a thread, but I don't get what you're getting at. From its conception in 1992 when evos had 244hp, they've only gained 47hp. So in 20 years, the evos have only gained 47, and in 10 years Volkswagen has gained or will have gained 30.

From the EVO IV to the EVO VIII, 10 years (1996-2005), there was no change in power at all in normal production models.

Even only looking at the EVOs we've had in the states, EVO's 8-10, years 2003- present (10 years), they've only gone from 276 to 291hp, 15hp in 10 years.

Although I agree I want the R to have more power, they are doing well considering how much other company's have changed in the same amount of time.

And hp is only half of the equation. To get the whole picture we should also be looking at increases(decreases) in curb weight. Not at all a pretty picture since the trend is always towards increases in weight. (the Golf 7 reverses the trend in a big way )

[Dscot8r!2]

Latest report is the 2014 Golf R will have 286hp / 280tq, and a 0-62 time of 5 seconds flat. Nice to see this kind of performance straight from the factory.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/11302085...86-hp---report


2014 Golf R by Dscot8r!2, on Flickr