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    Thread: Any chance the GTD will ever make it to the states in this platform??

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      09-23-2012 06:46 AM #26
      All I was asking was if anyone knew if the new hpfp/fuel system was different besides just the injectors. I didn't want to completely de-rail the thread, but since it already is, here goes.

      Bosch designed the hpfp for euro spec diesel, and recommend using fuel with an atsm spec of 460 microns. What's available in the US is 520 microns. They recognize that the pump could self-destruct with >460 microns. Why not just add a little B2 or stanadyne? VW says in writing not to do that, and it could possibly effect the warranty. If you guys do some research, you'll find most people have gone as far as keeping all fuel receipts and having samples of their fuel tank and local gas station tested in their fight against trigger happy techs and reps who automatically assume an owner put some gas (petrol) in their tank. Why don't more people boycott the tdi? Because we don't have any other great options at this point; hybrids just aren't good enough yet.

      I'm happy for you guys in EU and other parts of the world who don't have this issue b/c your fuel provides the recommended lubricity, but here in the US it's a real concern. I have tremendous hopes that the VII US-spec diesel will have solved this issue.

    2. 09-25-2012 05:49 AM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by feels_road View Post
      What? The DSG can hardly handle the stock torque smoothly, and uses 10% more fuel, to boot. And the new GTD will more likely have 180 - 185 hp - give me a MT, please.
      The DSG have no problem with the Torque of the 2.0TDi. I have a 2.0TDi 170 manual, and it’s a very different engine and feel to the 1.9 TDi 130 for example. The turbo kicks in late, and there is a lot of shifting needed to operate the car effective and smooth. The power band is quite narrow. If you have a lot of heavy traffic driving there is a constant first to second shifting going on, and for highway driving the 6th gear is not as flexible as you would expect for a diesel engine. I used to have a 1.9TDi 130 hp, and both original and remapped it was much more suited to a manual. Both my current 2.0TDi 170 and my previous 1.9 130 are 6-speed. I have put in many diesel miles for the last years. Long trips, city driving and track driving. (Only interrupted by 3 years with a 2.0TFSi which is a much more fun engine than the diesel anyway) The best diesel car I have driven beside the fantastic A5 3.0TDi (Which is perfectly suited to a manual) is the Golf GTD DSG. Perfect gearbox for that engine. My buddy has a 140TDi, and with the smaller Turbo and different management, it’s a better engine for everyday driving with manual. Much less lag, and smother curve. Of course slower when going full out, but how often is that. Don't get me wrong; the 170hp manual is ok. But after a year of getting to really know it I regret getting a manual. I’m going back to 2.0T petrol next year due to no more commuting. Can’t wait!
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      09-25-2012 07:47 AM #28
      Quote Originally Posted by boostin20 View Post
      Why not just add a little B2 or stanadyne? ...
      I'm happy for you guys in EU and other parts of the world who don't have this issue b/c your fuel provides the recommended lubricity, but here in the US it's a real concern. I have tremendous hopes that the VII US-spec diesel will have solved this issue.
      Some Diesel providers in the US indicate that they add BioDiesel at a low percentage to raise lubricity. At any rate, as of 2012, there seems to be no more concern regarding TDI fuel pumps.
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      10-06-2012 04:03 AM #29
      Any news on the Golf VII GTD?

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      10-07-2012 05:24 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by boostin20 View Post
      All I was asking was if anyone knew if the new hpfp/fuel system was different besides just the injectors. I didn't want to completely de-rail the thread, but since it already is, here goes.

      Bosch designed the hpfp for euro spec diesel, and recommend using fuel with an atsm spec of 460 microns. What's available in the US is 520 microns. They recognize that the pump could self-destruct with >460 microns. Why not just add a little B2 or stanadyne? VW says in writing not to do that, and it could possibly effect the warranty. If you guys do some research, you'll find most people have gone as far as keeping all fuel receipts and having samples of their fuel tank and local gas station tested in their fight against trigger happy techs and reps who automatically assume an owner put some gas (petrol) in their tank. Why don't more people boycott the tdi? Because we don't have any other great options at this point; hybrids just aren't good enough yet.

      I'm happy for you guys in EU and other parts of the world who don't have this issue b/c your fuel provides the recommended lubricity, but here in the US it's a real concern. I have tremendous hopes that the VII US-spec diesel will have solved this issue.
      Much better info than "LOL, wrong. " As for this info I think VW already corrected the issue with self destructive pumps, at least for the last gen of TDIs. I haven't heard of anybody having this problem anymore.(at least with the urea injected ones)
      Last edited by Turbonium20V; 10-07-2012 at 05:27 PM.

    6. 10-14-2012 04:39 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by randomkoreanguy View Post
      This is just an educated guess, but I'm going to posit the theory that in an effort to meet their (extremely) ambitious sales goals (and plans for global automotive domination) VWAG (and by proxy, VWOA) are in the midst of considering expanding their line-up to every niche, nook, cranny, and unexplored/unexploited profitable segment they can possibly sink their teeth into. What does this mean for us enthusiasts? It means there's a pretty good chance that there's a lot of exciting things on the horizon. Let's face it, aggressive expansion is working out pretty well for Hyundai/Kia, whereas the more conservative companies are either suffering or stagnating. VW/Audi have to nearly double their current sales numbers to meet their pretty ambitious 2018 sales goals in our market and they can't do that by just continuing to offer the same model range they always have.

      So I theorize that currently, everything is on the table, everything is being considered. Diesel has proven to be unexpectedly popular and hugely profitable for VW stateside, so the expansion of their diesel line-up is a no-brainer, in my opinion.
      This.

      In addition, the new Golf/Jetta with the new 1.8 turbo's will approach the combined mileage of the currect TDI, so the TDI itself will have to be greatly upgraded, probably to the new 180 hp version with 50mpg.

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      10-15-2012 06:56 AM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by Turbonium20V View Post
      Much better info than "LOL, wrong. " As for this info I think VW already corrected the issue with self destructive pumps, at least for the last gen of TDIs. I haven't heard of anybody having this problem anymore.(at least with the urea injected ones)
      You're absolutely correct about the urea injected vehicles, but that excludes the CR golfs, jettas, and passats (at least for the US, I don't know about EU models). There are hundreds of cases of hpfp failures already in the '12+ passat, a3, and golf with the supposed upgraded hpfp. That being said, those are a very small percentage compared to happy tdi owners in the US. I'm not trying to start a panic with any of this, but it is extremely disconcerting to see VWOA try to weasel their way out of a recall and try to stick an 8-10k bill on a customer. That's not too far off of half the value of the car new, and there's no guarantee it will not happen multiple times.

      There are a few vendors working together on a bracket to fit the cummins hpfp on the CR. That looks like it will be the ultimate fix. (of course warranty will be void)

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      10-16-2012 12:30 AM #33
      Quote Originally Posted by boostin20 View Post
      I'm not trying to start a panic with any of this, but it is extremely disconcerting to see VWOA try to weasel their way out of a recall and try to stick an 8-10k bill on a customer.
      Well, so far, VW has footed the bill for repairs - even in cases when people had fueled up with gasoline (that latter practice might end now, though).

      A great fix would be if it were possible to install a filter behind the HPFP. The pump itself is peanuts.
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      10-18-2012 07:35 PM #34
      If they bring the GTD to the US, I'll trade my R for it the first day I can get one.
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      10-21-2012 05:43 PM #35
      I would like to see it, but I am not holding my breath.

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