Porsche build thread: "there is no substitute... for far too expensive decisions."

[tuddy]

but that picture of rolling the fenders with a baseball bat makes me insane with rage.

if no one minds me meme'ing here... i have to reply with "fender roller! y u no fit 5x130?"

[aar0n.]

What part? Gramercy here

A little north of you, Turtle Bay area

[nismo4life]

if no one minds me meme'ing here... i have to reply with "fender roller! y u no fit 5x130?"

Tuddy, I hate 964's. I never liked the more aggresive bulging headlight tunnels, upright lights and just the...not 993-ness of it. I always thought everything that wasn't a 993 or 997 was hideous. I love your car, thank you for changing my mind.

[Son]

Tuddy, I hate 964's. I never liked the more aggresive bulging headlight tunnels, upright lights and just the...not 993-ness of it. I always thought everything that wasn't a 993 or 997 was hideous. I love your car, thank you for changing my mind.

You're speaking as if the 964 came after 993 and 997. Or was it so that you never liked 911s until the 993 came along? Anyway, in my book, the 964 is the perfect 911. It cleaned the iconic shape from accordion bumpers and other crap and was just perfect in all. OK, sure, the classic ones separately, but from late '70s to early '90s the 964 was the best 911.

[MAC]

It sure is pretty, but I can't help but think that the EVO you sold was faster, handled better and was more reliable in every way...

But this has 71% more soul and 97% more panty dropping ability.

[nismo4life]

You're speaking as if the 964 came after 993 and 997. Or was it so that you never liked 911s until the 993 came along? Anyway, in my book, the 964 is the perfect 911. It cleaned the iconic shape from accordion bumpers and other crap and was just perfect in all. OK, sure, the classic ones separately, but from late '70s to early '90s the 964 was the best 911.

No I just never liked it until the 993 really. Then the 996 imo was not so hot, but they redeemed themselves with the 997. The only exception I could make for older Porsches is the RS America, or a Singer 911. Other than those I never really liked the 964 as it was just so plain. Maybe its me growing older, or maybe its just the OP's simplistic take on it, but I really like his car.

[nismo4life]

But this has 71% more soul and 97% more panty dropping ability.

This. I enjoyed ten fold driving my near stock S2000 over my 300/330 GR STi. Car had no character. Hell I enjoy driving me 92 8v Jetta more than I did the STi, though I wish it made at least 120whp lol.

[MRVW00]

But why remove the AC and HEAT when you live in NY?
Summer car?

[Dan92SLC]

phenomenal job.

I have an appbiz lightweight (but not RS) carpet kit at home waiting for me to sack up and attempt it. You are a brave soul.

Have you driven a 964 C2? Or a 993 C2? Curious to get your take on C2 v C4 real world road manners differences.

one caveat: Do those oversized wheels change how the car drives? For instance, I find front wheels wider than 6" to compromise steering feel on older 911s.

[speedworks1]

Car looks good

[tuddy]

But why remove the AC and HEAT when you live in NY?
Summer car?

AC didnt work, it was R12 and the conversion is expensive.

Heat was deleted because heat exchangers scare the s*** out of me, if you have an exhaust leak its going right into the cabin. Plus due to my current living situation I rarely drive it.

I have an appbiz lightweight (but not RS) carpet kit at home waiting for me to sack up and attempt it. You are a brave soul.

Have you driven a 964 C2? Or a 993 C2? Curious to get your take on C2 v C4 real world road manners differences.

one caveat: Do those oversized wheels change how the car drives? For instance, I find front wheels wider than 6" to compromise steering feel on older 911s.

Yea the doors and carpet are appbiz, Ill be honest I had a bigger problem with bob@appbiz then I did with installing the kit.

Ive not driven a 964 c2, so while I wish it was a c2 I dont REALLY know what im missing

The only problem with larger fronts is I hit fender well, so I need to get steering stops eventually.

I love your car, thank you for changing my mind.

Hey man you're very welcome (now I feel cool)

Ironically I sold my ruckus project to make this thing happen.

[flytech78]

Great work.
i think i was trying to get the same seats if Goughary was the seller. I have a little tear in my passenger seat that drives me nuts.

[tuddy]

Great work.
i think i was trying to get the same seats if Goughary was the seller. I have a little tear in my passenger seat that drives me nuts.

I got them from CT if it was, I dont remember his name.

http://www.fibrenew.com/ you check them out? my seats were too far gone with cracking, but when the guy came to give me a quote he said tears were the easiest thing to repair.

[nismo4life]

AC didnt work, it was R12 and the conversion is expensive.

Heat was deleted because heat exchangers scare the s*** out of me, if you have an exhaust leak its going right into the cabin. Plus due to my current living situation I rarely drive it.





Yea the doors and carpet are appbiz, Ill be honest I had a bigger problem with bob@appbiz then I did with installing the kit.

Ive not driven a 964 c2, so while I wish it was a c2 I dont REALLY know what im missing

The only problem with larger fronts is I hit fender well, so I need to get steering stops eventually.



Hey man you're very welcome (now I feel cool)

Ironically I sold my ruckus project to make this thing happen.

Calypso Green...

[Air and water do mix]

Nice!!!

Did I miss where you did the flocking yourself or was that sent out? If you did, how tough is that and what's involved? It looks great!

I had NO idea that the second distributor was belt driven. They sure didn't do that on the Type 547 4 cam engine!

I'm curious... What made you decide on Brad Penn oil? I use it in my Beetles, as it is the old formula with ZDDP, but 911s can use synthetic since they have aluminum cylinders and don't need the heat carrying capability of oil nearly as much as a Bug or even a 911 with cast-iron cylinders. They did have cast iron in the 911T in the early '70s. (No, "T" is not for "Turbo" in this case!)

Was this a recommendation from a forum/individual, do you not like synthetics or is it something else? Sorry, I'm just being nosy.

[tip]

sub'd

[Robski92]

I love these sort of threads.

I would've kept the other wheels but hey you are the one driving a Porsche not me.

[Andyman746]

awesome thread

[nismo4life]

Can someone explain to me what is such a pain in the ass about applying the carpet? I'd imagine that since its in multiple pieces that it would be easier than traditional 1 pieces?

[Jedidub]

I know this grunt work on a 911 oh too well. I had (now belongs to my dad) a 1988 930 euro with only 21,000 miles on her even with the low miles little things needed fixing. After spending a ton of money to get her near perfect my pop bought her from me, and is still enjoying her now. I don't blame you for wanting to do the valve job yourself that's a $1,700 job. Good luck and nice car

[tuddy]

Nice!!!

Did I miss where you did the flocking yourself or was that sent out? If you did, how tough is that and what's involved? It looks great!


I'm curious... What made you decide on Brad Penn oil? I use it in my Beetles, as it is the old formula with ZDDP, but 911s can use synthetic since they have aluminum cylinders and don't need the heat carrying capability of oil nearly as much as a Bug or even a 911 with cast-iron cylinders. They did have cast iron in the 911T in the early '70s. (No, "T" is not for "Turbo" in this case!)

Was this a recommendation from a forum/individual, do you not like synthetics or is it something else? Sorry, I'm just being nosy.

I bought a donjer flocking kit, really simple... apply adhesive then apply flocking. Its really simple although a part of me wishes I paid a professional to electrostatically charge the flocking to everything. But it came out alright.

I had used brad penn in previous cars, and after doing a bit of research the ZDDP content is recommended on several porsche forums. However I've actually since changed to VR1 20 50w as its about 1/4th the price.

[tuddy]

Can someone explain to me what is such a pain in the ass about applying the carpet? I'd imagine that since its in multiple pieces that it would be easier than traditional 1 pieces?

There's a ton of cutting involved, no kit exactly fits so you really need to cut most of the pieces out to ensure there are no lines or creases. I ended up putting a piece or two down once a day for a week until it was done, the rear arches were a tremendous hassle along with the center tunnel.


I ordered some spacers yesterday and they actually already came today. Was able to test fit the rear wheel while there was still some daylight. Crappy 3GS photo, my camera was at home.





285/30s on there now, so my 265/35's should be a little taller and fill the fender gap a lot nicer.

Also tomorrow I'll start pulling the hubs for extended stud installation.

[Air and water do mix]

I bought a donjer flocking kit, really simple... apply adhesive then apply flocking. Its really simple although a part of me wishes I paid a professional to electrostatically charge the flocking to everything. But it came out alright.

I had used brad penn in previous cars, and after doing a bit of research the ZDDP content is recommended on several porsche forums. However I've actually since changed to VR1 20 50w as its about 1/4th the price.

Easy!

If I eventually et a 911/912 (assuming it has aluminum cylinders) I suppose I'll need to do more research!

[URSledgehammer]

I have been talking with the wife for 2 years and I finally have the go ahead for the search. I have 18 months to find the right 911 with $20k to spend. Best part it could be any body. I would hope to find a 930t but those are dreams. I am in to read the build. Good luck my friend. The car looks great.

[Ross1013]

The 964 Targa was the last car I lusted after without knowing how it drove.

[JMillerUA6]

Absolutely gorgeous car. One of these is next on my list.

[schwank]

Nice build! Porsche cred is built through blood, sweat, tears, and some straight cashola... emphasis on the first few. After a bunch of 944's, a 951, and the 986S I am almost ready for something new. For me it means 964 or 365. I fear it is the latter.

There truly is no substitute...

[Spinnaker]

[MRVW00]

Im very familiar with Porsche heat exchangers.

It's not as dangerous as you think.

[chdavis]

The reason behind rotating the gauges was so the needles would all be pointing in a generally unified direction during typical scenarios during the race. Driver's would quickly glance down and note the gauges all pointing about the same way and know they were O.K.

This was particularly important relating to the engine vitals (oil temp/pressure, water temp, voltage, fuel, ect.)

[dannyc]

car looks awesome eric
All you guys just keep getting cooler cars... except vento

[MillerMav]

Great thread, I love old 911's and that interior is boobies!

[tuddy]

The reason behind rotating the gauges was so the needles would all be pointing in a generally unified direction during typical scenarios during the race. Driver's would quickly glance down and note the gauges all pointing about the same way and know they were O.K.

This was particularly important relating to the engine vitals (oil temp/pressure, water temp, voltage, fuel, ect.)

Oh! that makes better sense. thanks.

except vento

This.

[delrio]

In for more

[tuddy]

removed hubs, pressed in extended studs for 14mm spacers, also pulled my rear axle for re-booting.

tires swapped... then did a little detailing today.




See some of you kids at h2o.