More Golf 7 R spy photos...

[CALICSGR]

Front end on these cars looks like crap. And if you can't defeat ESP, no real reason to trade the MKVI R for this...especially with the nasty angled dash. The 10 or 15 HP you'll get out of the TSI v FSI doesnt seem worth it.

[Waterfan]

Front end on these cars looks like crap. And if you can't defeat ESP, no real reason to trade the MKVI R for this...especially with the nasty angled dash. The 10 or 15 HP you'll get out of the TSI v FSI doesnt seem worth it.

What if it also gets the full carbon and aluminum weight reduction? (~200kg)

[SPM_GTI]

Front end on these cars looks like crap. And if you can't defeat ESP, no real reason to trade the MKVI R for this...especially with the nasty angled dash. The 10 or 15 HP you'll get out of the TSI v FSI doesnt seem worth it.

Sounds like youre just validating your purchase

I think its hard to have such definitive opinions on a test mule. But I agree, 280hp doesnt get me excited - even if it is lighter. 300hp in a lighter R, and you have a lot more to be excited about.

[CALICSGR]

Sounds like youre just validating your purchase

I think its hard to have such definitive opinions on a test mule. But I agree, 280hp doesnt get me excited - even if it is lighter. 300hp in a lighter R, and you have a lot more to be excited about.

Not really. Financially I could easily turn around to the new model. Just speaking in general terms. I agree we have to see the final product and what are the true weight savings. But I am really not a fan of the front or back end on the MKVII. I also think what VW did with the ESP on the MKVI is some freedom hating BS. Out of principle alone I would probably pass on the MKVII if they did it again.

[CALICSGR]

What if it also gets the full carbon and aluminum weight reduction? (~200kg)

The weight savings alone are nice, but not enough to make the trade if they have the same undefeatable ESP. Also, I wouldn't want a carbon fiber roof/hood. There was a big crash in Cali where a pickup landed on the roof on an R. They needed to cut the driver out, but he was ok. With a carbon fiber roof he would probably be dead. No thanks.

[SPM_GTI]

Not really. Financially I could easily turn around to the new model. Just speaking in general terms. I agree we have to see the final product and what are the true weight savings. But I am really not a fan of the front or back end on the MKVII. I also think what VW did with the ESP on the MKVI is some freedom hating BS. Out of principle alone I would probably pass on the MKVII if they did it again.

I think they fixed the ESP BS on the MK6 2013 models. you can turn it off now

[CALICSGR]

I think they fixed the ESP BS on the MK6 2013 models. you can turn it off now

In every market but the US, which is even more annoying.

[papaskot]

Also, I wouldn't want a carbon fiber roof/hood. There was a big crash in Cali where a pickup landed on the roof on an R. They needed to cut the driver out, but he was ok. With a carbon fiber roof he would probably be dead. No thanks.

lower weight, higher HP, better ergonomics, and you bring up a one-off crash? quit your trolling.

[CALICSGR]

lower weight, higher HP, better ergonomics, and you bring up a one-off crash? quit your trolling.

It's a legitimate concern. Quit being an idiot.

[Waterfan]

The weight savings alone are nice, but not enough to make the trade if they have the same undefeatable ESP. Also, I wouldn't want a carbon fiber roof/hood. There was a big crash in Cali where a pickup landed on the roof on an R. They needed to cut the driver out, but he was ok. With a carbon fiber roof he would probably be dead. No thanks.

The CF roof in the rumored EU CF GTI has a lightweight steel core. No safety issues here.

[1-VW]

............... Also, I wouldn't want a carbon fiber roof/hood. There was a big crash in Cali where a pickup landed on the roof on an R. They needed to cut the driver out, but he was ok. With a carbon fiber roof he would probably be dead. No thanks.

If you are depending on the roof skin for roll-over protection you are already dead .

The roof is reinforced beneath the skin and it is A&B&C pillars along with the roof rails that provide you with roll-over safety.

[droopy1592]

The rear on that looks so fake, the exhaust is just plain weird



That's why my stock '08 was able to pull away from stock GoRfs out of the corners during the HDPE that VWOA hosted for R owners at Summit Point? I know, I know....chip it and it's no contest.


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Fastest laps.com says the golf R is faster in 8 out of 9 comparos by a substantial margin. The only one the 32 wins is on a wet track and who knows because their times in the same car varies.

[kyle1]

Front end on these cars looks like crap. And if you can't defeat ESP, no real reason to trade the MKVI R for this...especially with the nasty angled dash. The 10 or 15 HP you'll get out of the TSI v FSI doesnt seem worth it.

You can't really tell much from pics...particularly test mule pics. Venture over to the CC forum (I used to own one) and you'd see tons of posts about how "ugly" the '13 CC is. Most of those posts are from owners of '09-'12 CCs. When I saw pics of the '13 CC, I didn't like it either until I saw a few on the road. Now, I like them much more than the previous gen.

[luckeydoug1]

Front end on these cars looks like crap. And if you can't defeat ESP, no real reason to trade the MKVI R for this...especially with the nasty angled dash. The 10 or 15 HP you'll get out of the TSI v FSI doesnt seem worth it.

I totally agree. To me, the rear is even worse looking than the front. I don't want any of that fiber crap either.

[BC R]

The weight savings alone are nice, but not enough to make the trade if they have the same undefeatable ESP. Also, I wouldn't want a carbon fiber roof/hood. There was a big crash in Cali where a pickup landed on the roof on an R. They needed to cut the driver out, but he was ok. With a carbon fiber roof he would probably be dead. No thanks.

What? Of all the cars out there it had to land on an R?

[BC R]

lower weight, higher HP, better ergonomics, and you bring up a one-off crash? quit your trolling.

I personally don't want lower weight for a street car. There are too many cars on NA roads (pickups, suvs) that weigh over twice as much as the current R. If you collide with one of those cars you get in trouble as it is. Make it lighter and you just make it worse.

Not sure what you mean by "better ergonomics"?

As for higher HP- that is not really the case. With the same displacement and boost you don't really get more power. There is a slight increase in torque due to much more complex engine design (i.e. less reliable/durable) and there is further slight increase in HP due to higher red line. And those engines are much more difficult to tune than FSI. A simple port flash of the current engine gives it more power than whatever the new one will have. And you can't port flash the new one.

VW cars are not the most reliable as it is and I expect the next gen to be even worse due to more plastic, more assembly savings, more engine complexity, further "evolution" of emissions standards and assembly outside of Germany.

[jsmyle1%...]

I personally don't want lower weight for a street car. There are too many cars on NA roads (pickups, suvs) that weigh over twice as much as the current R. If you collide with one of those cars you get in trouble as it is. Make it lighter and you just make it worse.

Not sure what you mean by "better ergonomics"?

As for higher HP- that is not really the case. With the same displacement and boost you don't really get more power. There is a slight increase in torque due to much more complex engine design (i.e. less reliable/durable) and there is further slight increase in HP due to higher red line. And those engines are much more difficult to tune than FSI. A simple port flash of the current engine gives it more power than whatever the new one will have. And you can't port flash the new one.

VW cars are not the most reliable as it is and I expect the next gen to be even worse due to more plastic, more assembly savings, more engine complexity, further "evolution" of emissions standards and assembly outside of Germany.

Is the above your opinion, or is there a specific source of the information?

[Toyin]

I personally don't want lower weight for a street car. There are too many cars on NA roads (pickups, suvs) that weigh over twice as much as the current R. If you collide with one of those cars you get in trouble as it is. Make it lighter and you just make it worse.

Lower weight:
Better fuel economy
Better handling (accident avoidance)
Better braking (accident avoidance)

Other facts.
Stronger chasis
Better crash testing
Newer safety features

All of the above MORE then offset 200lbs which wouldn't make any significant difference in an accident anyway.
Heavier != Safer

[BC R]

Is the above your opinion, or is there a specific source of the information?

My opinion based on public information.

[BC R]

Lower weight:
Better fuel economy
Better handling (accident avoidance)
Better braking (accident avoidance)

Other facts.
Stronger chasis
Better crash testing
Newer safety features

All of the above MORE then offset 200lbs which wouldn't make any significant difference in an accident anyway.
Heavier != Safer

I did not say that heavier was safer in general. But once you hit or get hit it is simple physics from that point on. And weight does matter. As for handling and braking my R presently exceeds my ability in both aspects. And braking is easy to improve with better tires and brakes. As for fuel economy- get a TDI if you really care about fuel economy because the difference is more than 1.5 times. I just traded my TDI for an R and I am not going back until they fix those TDIs which I suspect won't happen any time soon.

[jsmyle1%...]

My opinion based on public information.

Oh.....okay.

[dogbolter]

Maybe we should all buy a Humveee instead of a Golf, that way we'll be safe from those big, ugly SUVs.

[Toyin]

I did not say that heavier was safer in general. But once you hit or get hit it is simple physics from that point on. And weight does matter.

Uh, yes you did

I personally don't want lower weight for a street car...If you collide with one of those cars you get in trouble as it is. Make it lighter and you just make it worse.

This is NOT a matter of simple physics when you're talking about 2 different platforms. Please show me the data that show crash performance of the MKVII platform worse then the MKVI platform.

As for handling and braking my R presently exceeds my ability in both aspects. And braking is easy to improve with better tires and brakes.

This is not a track we're talking about. In an emergency maneuver (i.e. sudden turn of the wheel at 40mph), increasing the handling upper limits WILL make a difference. New tires and brakes on any car will make it safer, but a lighter, stiffer platform will see the same if not more benefit.

As for fuel economy- get a TDI if you really care about fuel economy because the difference is more than 1.5 times. I just traded my TDI for an R and I am not going back until they fix those TDIs which I suspect won't happen any time soon.

Relax. I own a Golf R and traded it in for a 2011 GTI. Obviously mpg was not my focus, but there's nothing wrong with wanting my cake and eating it too. If the new R looks good, is faster, lighter, AND get's better mpg, it WILL be a better car then ours.

[jsmyle1%...]

Relax. I own a Golf R and traded it in for a 2011 GTI. Obviously mpg was not my focus, but there's nothing wrong with wanting my cake and eating it too. If the new R looks good, is faster, lighter, AND get's better mpg, it WILL be a better car then ours.

No it won't.

"I know you are, but what am I."

[dmorrow]

For my next car, I would prefer that it weighs less, gets better gas mileage, and has more hp.
The above will make it stop quicker, accelerate faster, handle better and save me fuel money.

A blanket statement saying a heavier car is safer is wrong.

[Toyin]

A quick and dirty P-chop from the Golf VII accessories booklet.

Definite potential

[NorEastVW]

^^Agreed - definite potential, here! I'm not sure I can handle the wait on official news as to what VW will bring over to the NA market. Salivating at rumors of a Golf RS...

I'll be holding off on the current Golf R until we hear whats in store for the MKVII R/RS

[Yak Meat]

Lower weight does not mean weaker...

They have specifically designed the car to be more resilient in accidents. Therefore, it may be lighter, but its actually probably stronger and more safe than a mk6.

[vr6fanatic]

Put a VR6 back in it please.. that is all

I agree

How ever, we know that it will not happen. If anything put in the 2.5 motor, and now were talking

The tail pipes in the photos seem to be Photoshopped

[Yak Meat]

If they made the VR6 with an aluminum block and worked on its emissions it could work... but that wont ever happen...

[vr6fanatic]

If they made the VR6 with an aluminum block and worked on its emissions it could work... but that wont ever happen...

maybe someday

[Tampavw]

A quick and dirty P-chop from the Golf VII accessories booklet.

Definite NO potential

Definite potential

[TurboMan007]

Can't wait for this to come out!