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      09-11-2012 10:04 PM #1
      Hello Everyone!

      We at LIQUI MOLY are proud to be here interacting with you and helping you in any way we can on matters of lubrication. If it has moving parts it needs lubrication. Even when it doesn't - it still needs it since corrosion protection is one of the main purposes of lubrication. Lubrication is a science - not voodoo. It is measured in microns, milligrams and infinitesimal units - not rabbit ears or dove tails. And it doesn't accept tales - only facts. What your older brother knows about oil - is probably already outdated. The pace of change is fast - and we are here to assist you, to be of service to you. So, give us your questions and your opinions.
      We look forward to hear from all of you.

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      09-15-2012 01:56 PM #2
      Loving the oil, just got my analysis back and it looked great!


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      09-18-2012 11:06 AM #3
      Blake, great show in your Karman Ghia!!! My Dad had this car in the Sixties - and still today he sheds a tear for the memories as soon as he sees one! Please tell me what the oil reads at 7k from the good folks at Blackstone. Now listen - tell me which is the exact oil you got. The Synthoil Premium or the Leichtlauf High Tech? Probably the Premium. If so you got to try the Leichtlauf High Tech, much stronger oil with high SAPS (sulphated ash) which makes it an even stronger lubricant. And don't forget the CERATEC!
      Let me know! Can you send us pictures of your car?
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      09-18-2012 04:24 PM #4
      Sadly, the Ghia is sold but I'll try to get some pictures of it pulled up! It was the synthoil premium. I just shot some photo's of the GLI (this is the oil analysis of it), I'll get those emailed right away!

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      09-18-2012 10:12 PM #5
      Hi Blake,

      You got to try Leichtlauf High Tech and the additive Ceratec. It is the best possible combination for that car. That oil is already substantiallyu fortified with hi SAPS and the Ceratec makes it a super combination. After 10 days of immobility I started my Passat W8 and it was silent from the first turn. No dry beating valves, chains, etc. Silent. Amazing. On the other hand, the wife's Jetta with Castrol (it is still new) screamed for almost 15 seconds...this after we returned from vacation in August.

      I rest my case.Try it.
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      11-05-2012 11:06 AM #6
      Just wanted to congratulate you guys on your next step into the US market with the NV show!

      I use MOS2 in my cars and your 5w40 in my Jetta. Very satisfied with both!

      Keep up the great work.

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      11-12-2012 12:12 AM #7
      Dear Biggs88,

      Vielen danke!!!
      We thank you for those kind words - please be sure we work very hard to deserve them. Next time please try - CERATEC. Micro ceramics beats our trusted MOS 2. You see, MOS 2 comes out with the old oil when you change your oil. You need to replace it with a new bottle with the new oil. Not so with the CERATEC. It stays in your engine for 30,000 miles.
      Please keep us in the loop with your news!
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      11-14-2012 05:26 PM #8
      I know nothing about your oil...I've been using Mobil 1 0W40 or 5W40 TDT in my wife's 2007 Passat 2.0. I was about to move to Castrol SLX Professional 5W30 or 5W40. Any thoughts? We also own a 2012 golf TDi.

      The Passat is driven 3 miles to work every day...so it barely if ever warms up in winter. In addition, once my wife leaves our street, she has to merge onto a 55mph highway...abruptyl at times. I cringe! FYI.

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      11-18-2012 06:17 AM #9
      Michael -
      1- You NEED to know which approval codes your car needs: in the manual or the service dept. at the dealer will tell you. This is crucial as each approval code may require different additive packages in your oil! KNOW the approval required for your car first.
      2- If it is a diesel car = diesel approval, diesel oil, no matter what.
      3- If your car has a DPF (diesel particulate filter) you need a low ash oil. High ash content is best for lubrication but not on new diesels as they have DPF's and high ash will clog your DPF then ruin your converter.
      4- For any gas car, the high ash oil is best as high ash means best lubricity.
      5- No matter what, do not drive that engine cold. Give it at least 3 minutes before going over 2k rpms, seriously. The engine will survive!
      Low ash 5w30 = LIQUI MOLY TOP TEC 4200
      Low ash 5w40 = LIQUI MOLY TOP TEC 4100
      High Ash 5w40 = LIQUI MOLY LEICHTLAUF HIGH TECH

      And for those driving conditions in the cold - please use Ceratec. This microceramic-based friction modifier will do wonders for engines that have to perform in cold conditions!
      Thank you for your interest! Let me know if we can help.

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      11-18-2012 07:04 PM #10
      Thank you! High ash for the 2.0 Turbo, but I don't see that exact oil on Liqui Moly's website - TopTech MoS2 look the closest...? VW 502 is specified for our 2007 Passat. The 2012 Golf diesel is 507. I will find a dealer in my area, thanks again Ludwig!
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      11-23-2012 01:24 AM #11
      LIQUI MOLY's high ash oil is called Leightlauf High Tech. Part number for the US market is 3864 for the 5L jug. If you have a gasoline engine - you simply cannot go better. And if you add some Ceratec to that oil - you enter lubrication bliss. I did it.

      Best,

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      11-23-2012 02:12 AM #12
      how is the Leightlauf any better than the synthoil premium. i currently run the 5w40 synthoil premium with ceratec. but i do not think that i have any local dealers. I have a 2009 vw rabbit 2.5l 0A4 transmission. I also need some 75w-90 gl4+ gear oil. would you recommend the mos2 gear additive along with the oil?
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    13. 11-30-2012 01:58 PM #13
      can i mix two 5w40s i have a bit of top tec and looking at purchasing the synthoil premium

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      12-11-2012 03:03 PM #14
      Who can I get Ceratec from?

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      12-13-2012 02:13 AM #15
      MOS2 for gears - part #2019 is a tube you add to the gears when you are working on it - different than the MOS2 to be added to the engine oil - part # 2009. you can add MOS2 for the engine LM2009 to the engine oil for SUBSTANTIAL friction reduction. HOWEVER -

      1.Never overfill your engine with oil;
      2.Never use it in a setup with a wet clutch (bikes, for instance)
      3.It will leave the engine and need replenishment at each oil change.

      You will most likely experience a gain in mileage of about 1,5 - 3, 5 miles per gallon. Just read the forums. Just go to our Facebook page for the latest posts on the product. Try it yourself and them post your results as well.

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      12-13-2012 02:21 AM #16
      Both are excellent oils - you can see the posts right here with the actual oil analysis...
      But the Leichtlauf is a much newer oil and not yet widely distributed in the US. Available in fewer outlets.
      It is a HIGH SAPS OIL = sulphated ash, phosphurus and sulphur. This mean highest lubrication additive packages. Not good for the newest diesels as they have particulate filters and this high saps will clogs those filters - but the BEST OIL for gas cars. Thats the type of additive we run at the WTCC LIQUI MOLY TEAM ENGSTLER. And at Daytona 24hrs with our RSR.
      If you can find the Leichtlauf - don't hesitate.

      Best!

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      12-13-2012 02:32 AM #17
      Just once more - and let me make this absolutely clear - we are all Vdubers here, right? That means me too, and you can believe it - just look at the cars I have, w8, r32 MK4, Jetta VR6 MK4, Audi RS6. The wife has a Jetta 2.5 08. See? What am i telling you all about the oil? Yes - the Synthoil Premium is excellent - BUT THE LEICHTLAUF IS THE STUFF I HAVE IN MY CARS - along with the Ceratec!!!!!

      What does that tell you? Just saying....!And one word for the Ceratec: phenomenal. The absolutely BEST friction modifier for the times - microceramics - hence the name Ceratec.

      Please ask away - it is a pleasure to talk to you.
      You can get it at Bavauto.com , for instance.

      Best!

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      12-13-2012 10:57 AM #18
      Quote Originally Posted by liquimolyusa View Post
      Just once more - and let me make this absolutely clear - we are all Vdubers here, right? That means me too, and you can believe it - just look at the cars I have, w8, r32 MK4, Jetta VR6 MK4, Audi RS6. The wife has a Jetta 2.5 08. See? What am i telling you all about the oil? Yes - the Synthoil Premium is excellent - BUT THE LEICHTLAUF IS THE STUFF I HAVE IN MY CARS - along with the Ceratec!!!!!

      What does that tell you? Just saying....!And one word for the Ceratec: phenomenal. The absolutely BEST friction modifier for the times - microceramics - hence the name Ceratec.

      Please ask away - it is a pleasure to talk to you.
      You can get it at Bavauto.com , for instance.

      Best!
      let your product stand on its own and forget the bs.

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      12-13-2012 03:03 PM #19
      We report to you the results from our labs. A opposed to some other companies, we don't make commercials with oil blobs traveling in a toboggan thru the air and thru a makeshift crankshaft to depict quality, Sir. Ready the reports, the oil analysis posted here. BS doesn't live here - it is despised by us.
      Thanks for your participation.

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      12-13-2012 06:22 PM #20
      bs is bs, somebody elses lab report is nothing more than that. it's not the car you drive, it's not you driving, etc.. you've got good stuff leave it at that.

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      12-15-2012 11:56 AM #21
      Are you guys getting rid of the Lubro Moly name in the US? Do you know if Napa will start stocking the High Tech 5W-40? They show the High Tech bottle in the photo, but still show the LM2041 Premium part number.

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      01-10-2013 02:08 PM #22
      It happened two years ago, but sometimes you still have questions about the name change. The name Lubro Moly has been dropped for LIQUI MOLY - which is the name of our company since the beginning. We used the name Lubro Moly in the US for several years but now decided to replace it with the same name as we are known for and use all over the world in the 110 countries our band is present in: LIQUI MOLY.


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      I heard of your brand before, but recently got a chance to get my hands on your products. I've used Injector Cleaner & Engine Flush on my 98 Holf VR6 (120k & counting). After an oil change I've added Engine Saver - VR6 purred like a kitten!! Unfortunately not for long, since my buddy dumped about 1/2 liter of Lucas Oil viscocity modifier into my engine. I never trusted that product, it flows like cold honey! For a couple of days, during start-up and warm-up, it sounded like i have a supercharger on my Dub, then it went away. Now Im wondering if I should change oil again or if I can squeeze some milage out of it Also, which motor oil would you recomend for high milage engine like mine.

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      Guys, Ive used Liqui Moly Top Tec 4100 5w40 since a year in my 2006 2.0T.
      But just readed that the oil for the gas engine is LAINCHFURMS somethng like that.
      Ive been doing harm to my engine?
      Will the use of Top Tec 4100 will damage the engine in the long term because its designed for diesel engines? Everywhere it says that 4100 is 502.00 rated TIA

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      02-04-2013 03:54 PM #25
      liquimolyusa, can a high mileage 2.0T FSI motor benefit from Ceratec? I'm the second owner of a well maintained A3 with 110,000 miles. Am I throwing my money away adding Ceretac with this many miles? Also, the directions read to add it to fresh oil, but I have also heard of some adding it to old oil and running the engine for 5–10 minutes and then changing the oil. Thoughts?

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      02-04-2013 10:21 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by lausch View Post
      liquimolyusa, can a high mileage 2.0T FSI motor benefit from Ceratec? I'm the second owner of a well maintained A3 with 110,000 miles. Am I throwing my money away adding Ceretac with this many miles? Also, the directions read to add it to fresh oil, but I have also heard of some adding it to old oil and running the engine for 5–10 minutes and then changing the oil. Thoughts?

      Brian
      You are wasting the ceratec if you pour it in old oil then change it. The ceramic particles takes time to fully bond to the engine internals. I started to notice the effect around 750 miles post oil change. And it will stay on the surfaces of the engine internals for up to 30k miles. I think any motor regardless of mileage can benefit from ceratec


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      Thanks for sharing your experience Nick.
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    28. 02-05-2013 04:08 PM #28
      Why would you want to use an oil and add a friction modifier additive yourself into the oil? I would rather buy an oil that has this in already. Thats like buying any recycled oil even and adding ceratec and then claiming its the end all and be all? How do you know as a common consumer how much to add even? Because if you add to much then this will be determental to the oil. I'm sorry and I will say it that I'm a castrol guy and had tremendous success with only using castrol. All the adds on tv etc is not only an add and I saw test data that backed up all claims made and even sent a sample or 2 in myself to an independent lab that confirmed it. So yes in my opinion I wll not buy an oil and add additive packs to it myself. I might as well then start my own brand because essentially as soon as you start doing this you are in fact creating your own product. So what does it matter then if the base is castrol or liquid moley as the key factor is the additive not the base oil then? ALL OIL COMPANIES uses essentially the same BASE STOCKS then they add the different additive packs to creat their own product. Just my 2 cents use it don't use it.
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      02-05-2013 04:58 PM #29
      to each their own. i am not bashing castrol, i used to run it for 30k miles untill the free oil changes stopped from the dealership. but i know out of my positive personal experience with this oil and then every Blackstone oil analysis indicates low wear. i am not affiliated with liqui moly in any way. but i am a very satisfied customer which will only run liqui moly fluids on all my motors. the cost of ceratec is expensive enough that not every person will want to pay for premium quality oil/ friction modifiers. there are directions which tell you how much ratio of oil to ceramic additives.
      have you tried liqui moly analyzed it and compared it to castrol? ceratec is TUV certified so this is not snake oil, it does exactly what the description says on the bottle. its not like adding recylced oil and pouring in some additive and calling it the end all be all.

      Quote Originally Posted by vr64x4 View Post
      Why would you want to use an oil and add a friction modifier additive yourself into the oil? I would rather buy an oil that has this in already. Thats like buying any recycled oil even and adding ceratec and then claiming its the end all and be all? How do you know as a common consumer how much to add even? Because if you add to much then this will be determental to the oil. I'm sorry and I will say it that I'm a castrol guy and had tremendous success with only using castrol. All the adds on tv etc is not only an add and I saw test data that backed up all claims made and even sent a sample or 2 in myself to an independent lab that confirmed it. So yes in my opinion I wll not buy an oil and add additive packs to it myself. I might as well then start my own brand because essentially as soon as you start doing this you are in fact creating your own product. So what does it matter then if the base is castrol or liquid moley as the key factor is the additive not the base oil then? ALL OIL COMPANIES uses essentially the same BASE STOCKS then they add the different additive packs to creat their own product. Just my 2 cents use it don't use it.
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      02-05-2013 07:39 PM #30
      vr64x4, to be clear I am asking about adding Liqui Moly's Ceratec to Liqui Moly Leichtlauf High Tech 5W-40 [in a 2.0T FSI with 110,000 miles]. Where's liquimolyusa?
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    31. 02-06-2013 01:13 AM #31
      No I know your not bashing castrol and I'm not bashing liqui moley. I'm glad that you had success with Liqui Moly....All I'm saying is that for any noob to start mixing additives into oil isnt a good idea and we have tested a few of these "miracle" cures that you mix into the oil and all of them made the oil actually worst from when they started and you would be suprised what is used in some of these product as well not that I'm saying its the case with liqui moley's ceretec as I have never tested it and have no expierence with it. In my opinion stick with a good oil and don't add anything to it but hey it's your engine and the final decision is yours.

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      02-06-2013 01:31 AM #32

      agreed. it would be wise to do research on what type of fluid and which additives you are willing to try out. it is true there are many products marketed out there as friction modifiers or other types of oil additives which can gunk up and cause more harm than good. before deciding to pull the trigger on trying out additives i read other peoples reviews from other forums like bobistheoilguy, consulted with a few oil chemist/engineers, and asked numerous questions to liqui moly HQ in germany(you can email them direct...they are quick to respond). fyi i have a 2009 vw 2.5l w/ 85k miles. 35k miles was castrol from the dealer. 50k miles has been 5w40 liqui moly synthoil changed every 5-7.5k miles. more recently i discovered the additives and have run 10k miles on MoS2 and 5k miles on ceratec. the car only feels better as it ages, shes just getting broken in next oil change ill get an analysis.
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      02-06-2013 03:25 PM #33
      You have no idea the personal satisfaction I have for seeing you all guys talking about things that most people - yes, most - know very little of. However, I see you are doing the right thing and discussing it like true oil men!
      I am going to address some of your posts and taking it from the top:


      All oil manufacturers use the same base stocks = not true at all. If so, then a quart of cheap would only differ from a quart of LIQUI MOLY due to the additive package used? Absolutely not true. Low end products have very low quality base oils. No two ways around it. And know this - the additive package you use has to be tuned to be type of base stocks you are going to blend it is, capische? This is chemistry, folks - not tapioca...


      Adding Ceratec to oil. PLEASE ADD IT TO NEW OIL - ALWAYS. Or, like nickbeezy said, you are wasting your money since it takes at least 600 miles to fully bond. Please understand one more thing - this is a state of the art latest generation friction modifier - not some backwater gumbo. So stop worrying about sludge. This is not thick molasses like some brands out there doing nothing more than dramatic increases in viscosity - then sludge!


      Lausch - adding Ceratec is the absolutely best thing you can do to your engine - period. When you do it over a good quality high ash oil. Don't over fill. The Ceratec replaces equal amount of oil, one bottle per each 5 qts of oil. My W8 takes almost two since it takes over 9 qts. what they meant when they told you to run it fro 10 minutes then dump it along with the old oil the meant AN ENGINE FLUSH - NOT THE CERATEC!. if you want to flush your engine yhou want to use LIQUI MOLY ENGINE FLUSH. Add it to the OLD OIL without over filling. IDLE for 15 minutes then dump everything. I said IDLE - not drive it or rev it - keep it in mind. It is breaking down the oil and lubrication is at a minimum... Understood?


      Lausch - LIQUI MOLY USA is all over the US. We are always present at most VAG enthusiast events. Come see us at SOWO, H2O, Waterfest, Baltimore Grand Prix, just days ago at Daytona with VW 50th Anniversary in Motorsports Event during the Rolex 24hrs...like you, we are huge VW/Audi Enthusiasts! NGP Rancing will be doing our B5 W8 6 sp soon so you will see it at shows with our street tag "EUROPPA". All the best.


      vr64x4 - I respect your opinion. But know this: my 2004 Jetta GLI vr6 went up almost 30 miles per tankful when I switched form the factory fill Castrol to our Leichtlauf High Tech then added Ceratec. Can't fault that. These are facts with our brand that cannot be denied. This is WHY i came to work for this company - facts, no fluff. Look at all those lab tests on our products - impressive, don't you think? And I didn't even know of them until recently. Wanna see more? Go to Amazon. Check the reviews on our products. Why do you think so many say what they do?
      Let me know. And if you come to our VW/audi events, please come by see me - Ludwig I will give you some samples for you to see for yourself!


      2006_A3_2.0T - Chill. Top Tec 4100 has some latest approvals and it is an hybrid oil - both Gas and Diesel, since it is a low ash oil. Other than that it is NOT HARMING YOUR GAS ENGINE WHATSOEVER!!! RELAX!!! You have a great engine - give it a great oil - LIQUI MOLY LEICHTLAUF HIGH TECH 5W40 + a bottle of Ceratec. Repeat at every oil change. You do not need to add Ceratec at every oil change, it stays in the engine for 30K miles. But you have NOT damaged anything, relax.



      AntiMatterMaus - i want to ask your permission to use your super title - "Awesomeness In A Can!" FANTASTIC! And so very true.
      Listen - we know about the GL5 or the GL4+ (GL4 & GL5). If I were you with that cold honey your buddy dropped into your engine (good intention, I am sure) : take one quart off that stuff from your engine. Add a can of LIQUI MOLY ENGINE FLUSH. Star the engine and let it idle for 20 minutes. DO - NOT - REV - IT . DO - NOT - DRIVE - IT. Dump everything. Get some good oil there and a can of Ceratec. Let me know your impressions. Brau time.



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      Quote Originally Posted by liquimolyusa View Post
      2006_A3_2.0T - Chill. Top Tec 4100 has some latest approvals and it is an hybrid oil - both Gas and Diesel, since it is a low ash oil. Other than that it is NOT HARMING YOUR GAS ENGINE WHATSOEVER!!! RELAX!!! You have a great engine - give it a great oil - LIQUI MOLY LEICHTLAUF HIGH TECH 5W40 + a bottle of Ceratec. Repeat at every oil change. You do not need to add Ceratec at every oil change, it stays in the engine for 30K miles. But you have NOT damaged anything, relax.
      Thanks!
      but theres no available LEICHTLAUF HIGH TECH 5W40 over here, but the CERATEC bottle its here available.

      So I will add a bottle of CERATEC and the TopTec 4100 oil. Is this the right way? thanks again

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