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    Thread: How to get better braking on the GLI without a BBK?

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      09-19-2012 04:42 PM #26
      Do stainless lines really make that much of a difference on a GLI? I thought the brakes felt pretty solid with stock lines. Has anyone actually done this?

    2. 09-19-2012 04:56 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by TheEvilEmpire View Post
      Makes a huge difference with ANY car, except those that come with SS brakes

      Regular lines have a tendency to bulge, which causes "slack" in the line and a numb pedal. SS lines don't allow for that to happen. The other nice feature about the ECS ones in particular is the SS is coated in Vinyl for increased durability.
      What he said If they made a night and day difference in my old Evo X, so I can only imagine how much more of a difference they would make in my GLI

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      09-19-2012 05:26 PM #28
      i'd say it all depends on the budget, but if you don't want to upgrade to a bbk, i'd say start with pads, ss lines, and some good fluid, then work from there..
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      09-19-2012 10:10 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by TheEvilEmpire View Post
      Are your brake pads made of gold?

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-...ng/Pads/Front/

      A great set of pads shouldn't set you back more than $150...




      As far as this goes, you should probably learn a little more about the differences between an Audi and a VW. Once upon a time, in the land of B5 passats there was little difference between them. This is not true anymore.

      For example:
      2010 BASE A4 70-0 braking distance = 175FT (Audi Weight 3686lbs)
      2012 GLI 70-0 : 182FT (GLI weight 3290lbs) Numbers are C&D Sourced, heavier car stops faster, does not compute...

      Another gigantic difference as far as handling goes is the rear multi-link suspension. If you have a friend who has a newer audi, ask him if you can take a rear tire off and have a little look compared to your GLI.

      Oh, and that whole AWD thing. Definitely worth $4k, at least in my opinion and I won't even get into the differences inside the car like the cheap VW interior (jaded opinion coming from a MkV)

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      09-19-2012 11:48 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by TheEvilEmpire View Post
      Are your brake pads made of gold?

      http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-...ng/Pads/Front/

      A great set of pads shouldn't set you back more than $150...




      As far as this goes, you should probably learn a little more about the differences between an Audi and a VW. Once upon a time, in the land of B5 passats there was little difference between them. This is not true anymore.

      For example:
      2010 BASE A4 70-0 braking distance = 175FT (Audi Weight 3686lbs)
      2012 GLI 70-0 : 182FT (GLI weight 3290lbs) Numbers are C&D Sourced, heavier car stops faster, does not compute...

      Another gigantic difference as far as handling goes is the rear multi-link suspension. If you have a friend who has a newer audi, ask him if you can take a rear tire off and have a little look compared to your GLI.

      Oh, and that whole AWD thing. Definitely worth $4k, at least in my opinion and I won't even get into the differences inside the car like the cheap VW interior (jaded opinion coming from a MkV)

      I'll give you this one for free because you're a new member
      Thanks for the slack.

      Coming from experience, a set of Carbotechs for P-cars run $200+, I simply rounded up to not offend anyone here. Seems like it backfired. I also hear you on the stock cars in terms of braking distance, but that is why I am replacing the pads.

      One more thing, it is not always about better this or better that, but overall feel and value for dollar; and most importantly "Driver Impression." The A4's do not give me a "sporty" impression unless you get the "S-Line" or other costly upgrades. Also, I've never been a fan of the brand (Porsche and Bimmer fan) due to Audi's inherent "PUSH" in all of their chassis, including the S and RS models.

      I am sure we could go on about this for days if not weeks, but we (wife and I) really do not like Audi's all that much. Let us not also forget that just because one can afford, or "Pay for" some cars does not mandate one owning these cars.

      Get what you like because you like it and be done with it. Do you know how hard it is for me to not buy a MazdaSpeed3. I don't really like the overall way it drives, but the ENTIRE package simply fizzies my lid! I'm sure I'll add one to the collection one day simply because I love it and that would be that.

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      09-19-2012 11:54 PM #31
      Quote Originally Posted by TheEvilEmpire View Post
      Makes a huge difference with ANY car, except those that come with SS lines

      Regular lines have a tendency to bulge, which causes "slack" in the line and a numb pedal. SS lines don't allow for that to happen. The other nice feature about the ECS ones in particular is the SS is coated in Vinyl for increased durability. Mine have about 500 miles thus far and so far so good



      Just using the number OP threw out, i didn't get it either...
      From AUDIUSA.com
      Base A4 = $32,500

      From VW.com
      Autobahn/Nav GLI = $28,200

      Is my $4000 estimate alright?

    7. 09-20-2012 03:44 PM #32
      Quote Originally Posted by praecurvo View Post
      From AUDIUSA.com
      Base A4 = $32,500

      From VW.com
      Autobahn/Nav GLI = $28,200

      Is my $4000 estimate alright?

      For that yes but not for a 4WD base model, like was stated earlier. Let's keep this one about his brake setup.

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      09-20-2012 10:11 PM #33
      Pads...

      Thus far we have:

      Hawk HP+
      Carbotech Bobcats
      EBC Red Stuff

      What's the feedback here regarding noise, pad-life, and performance?

      aaron

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      09-21-2012 03:40 PM #34
      Just a few upgrades you might want to look into!


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      10-02-2012 06:50 PM #35
      I am convinced on a new set of pads and fluid. What is the best street pad on these GLI's? Better yet, what have you used? All feedback would be wholly appreciated.

      This thread can really help the forum in terms of "street brakes."

      Aaron

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      10-02-2012 07:57 PM #36
      How much are you over driving your brakes? I find my brakes are more than adequate for everyday driving. Will I put on better pads and do some small upgrades when the time comes? Sure but the stock stuff isn't that bad.

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      10-02-2012 08:05 PM #37
      I've used
      akebono ceramic-ok pads solid feel not amazing
      Ebc red stuff- great bite, low dust, fairly grippy but when you clamp em down they stop.
      Ebc yellow stuff- better grip, less cold braking feel. Noisy compared to red stuff but overall decent. Touch more dust nothing crazy though
      I'm going to try the stop tech pads that were just announced.
      This far I've really liked the red stuff on the rear and yellow up front.seems to be a great balance of stopping power and they're quiet.

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    13. 10-02-2012 08:55 PM #38
      Steel braided lines and better pads are the way to go. I have personal experience upgrading to steel braided lines on a few of my vehicles. They do work. Short of doing big brakes.

    14. 10-02-2012 10:11 PM #39
      buddy upgraded to steel braided lines on his mk4 and that seemed to help alot, for a cheap and efficient upgrade.

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      10-03-2012 06:15 AM #40
      Braided lines felt like nothing to me... That was the first thing i did all around new lines and motul rbf600 fluid did little imho

      But to each their own i still think you cant get any better than the porsche boxster setup i am using. Its not like it takes upgrading everything. Its just the caliper and a carrier. Uses thefactory 312mm rotor but has 4 pistons instead of one. And the weigh much less than the oem calipers. I was able to pick up mine for less than 200bucks with 12 thousand miles on them. And the carriers were around 350 if i remember correctly. With that i have MANY more brake pad options and a simpler sturdier better system... All that for nearly what someone would spend on new pads, lines and tyrol bushings with new fluid and upgraded slotted rotors etc. think it over and it isnt that much more exoensive


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    16. 10-03-2012 07:15 PM #41
      Quote Originally Posted by TylerO28 View Post
      Braided lines felt like nothing to me... That was the first thing i did all around new lines and motul rbf600 fluid did little imho

      But to each their own i still think you cant get any better than the porsche boxster setup i am using. Its not like it takes upgrading everything. Its just the caliper and a carrier. Uses thefactory 312mm rotor but has 4 pistons instead of one. And the weigh much less than the oem calipers. I was able to pick up mine for less than 200bucks with 12 thousand miles on them. And the carriers were around 350 if i remember correctly. With that i have MANY more brake pad options and a simpler sturdier better system... All that for nearly what someone would spend on new pads, lines and tyrol bushings with new fluid and upgraded slotted rotors etc. think it over and it isnt that much more exoensive


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      10-03-2012 08:17 PM #42
      Quote Originally Posted by TylerO28 View Post
      Braided lines felt like nothing to me... That was the first thing i did all around new lines and motul rbf600 fluid did little imho

      But to each their own i still think you cant get any better than the porsche boxster setup i am using. Its not like it takes upgrading everything. Its just the caliper and a carrier. Uses thefactory 312mm rotor but has 4 pistons instead of one. And the weigh much less than the oem calipers. I was able to pick up mine for less than 200bucks with 12 thousand miles on them. And the carriers were around 350 if i remember correctly. With that i have MANY more brake pad options and a simpler sturdier better system... All that for nearly what someone would spend on new pads, lines and tyrol bushings with new fluid and upgraded slotted rotors etc. think it over and it isnt that much more exoensive


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      I agree with your solution as a wonderful idea. If we were planning on keeping/autoX'ing/tracking this car, I would be all over this.

      We are seeking street performance, meaning instant (not repeated) stopping power. That comes down to tires and pads. This factory system in the GLI is descent enough to handle what we're looking for.

      Tyler028, Great contribution to this thread!

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      10-04-2012 06:56 PM #43
      Porterfield has an R4-S application for the GLI. Again, probably the best street pads I've used. Had them in an 01 BMW 330 and produced an amazing amount of torque for a pad that is easy to live with on a daily basis.

      http://porterfield-brakes.com/produc...roductID=12511
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      10-04-2012 11:22 PM #44
      Quote Originally Posted by shortybdub View Post
      Porterfield has an R4-S application for the GLI. Again, probably the best street pads I've used. Had them in an 01 BMW 330 and produced an amazing amount of torque for a pad that is easy to live with on a daily basis.

      http://porterfield-brakes.com/produc...roductID=12511
      Easy to live with meaning no noise, etc?

      They are very convincing on the website. I'll give them a call and look into them. ANyone else have any insight on these pads?

      aaron

    20. 10-05-2012 10:55 PM #45
      Tyler028,
      Don't get me wrong. Steel braided lines, pads n better fluid won't take 10ft off our stop distance but they do improve the pedal feel. Distance? I dunno. They do feel tighter tho.

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      10-06-2012 04:06 AM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by eddjmemg View Post
      Tyler028,
      Don't get me wrong. Steel braided lines, pads n better fluid won't take 10ft off our stop distance but they do improve the pedal feel. Distance? I dunno. They do feel tighter tho.
      I'll give you that! For pedal feel, it does improve a bit

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      10-06-2012 10:04 AM #47
      Quote Originally Posted by praecurvo View Post
      Easy to live with meaning no noise, etc?

      They are very convincing on the website. I'll give them a call and look into them. ANyone else have any insight on these pads?

      aaron
      Only noisy when they are stone cold, and even then its more of a "groan" than a "squeal". Once they are used, and have some warmth, dead quiet. A bit dusty, but not a sticky black dust like some Euro pads. Very easy to clean.
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