New Audi S3 gets 300 HP, Think that will roll over to MK7 Golf R?

[AlexSupatramp]

"The long-stroke 2.0 TFSI in the Audi S3 has been developed from scratch. The only thing it has in common with its predecessor, which was named Engine of the Year five times in a row between 2005 and 2009, is its displacement of 1,984 cc (bore x stroke 82.5 x 92.8 millimeters [3.25 x 3.65 in]). The four-cylinder unit delivers a constant 380 Nm (280.27 lb-ft) of torque to the crankshaft between 1,800 and 5,500 rpm. Rated power at 5,500 rpm is 221 kW (300 hp), and the engine redlines at 6,800 rpm".

Source: http://www.audizine.com/news/news.php?nid=269&npid=334

Think this has any relevance to the MK7 R output?

[sc0ttyb]

Probably the MKVIII knowing VW.

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[feels_road]

Interesting - that is more than many expected. Also great to know that this has been achieved without decreasing the size of the power band - which has traditionally been a trademark of VW/Audi engines compared to its competitors.

[jamie@vwvortex]

I'm not sure why this is a surprise. We've been saying (and others) that the Golf R will likely be around 280hp. Audi will likely make sure that the R gets less horsepower than the S3 since the S3 will be quite a bit more expensive. However it is the same engine, just tuned to a little less horsepower.

Tuning potential of this new 2.0T should be great. Not only that, but this new version of the 2.0T will be built in Mexico at the new engine factory alongside the new 1.8T FSI. So expect this new 2.0T to replace the current 2.0T in all VW models.

Good times.

- Jamie

[randomkoreanguy]

I'm not sure why this is a surprise. We've been saying (and others) that the Golf R will likely be around 280hp. Audi will likely make sure that the R gets less horsepower than the S3 since the S3 will be quite a bit more expensive. However it is the same engine, just tuned to a little less horsepower.

Tuning potential of this new 2.0T should be great. Not only that, but this new version of the 2.0T will be built in Mexico at the new engine factory alongside the new 1.8T FSI. So expect this new 2.0T to replace the current 2.0T in all VW models.

Good times.

- Jamie

This news makes me even more anxious to see the new Golf R, especially if it's going to come much sooner than it has been in the past. These are exciting times.

[BC R]

Not much of an upgrade- same displacement, same boost. The new motor gains efficiency at the expense of much more complexity in the design. So it is more of a tradeoff than an upgrade.

[1-VW]

Awesome engine, based on economy of scale VW should put the exact same engine in the gti with a software downgrade to save money .

[jamie@vwvortex]

Not much of an upgrade- same displacement, same boost. The new motor gains efficiency at the expense of much more complexity in the design. So it is more of a tradeoff than an upgrade.

There are additional taxes on any vehicle sold in Germany with more than 2.0l of displacement, so continuing to evolve that displacement is the priority.

[Dutchmastr9]

yea id expect the new R to have about 280hp, but since america is a "hot climate" it will prob be 275 or something when it comes over. cant have a VW step on audis toes

[R20]

I'm not sure why this is a surprise. We've been saying (and others) that the Golf R will likely be around 280hp. Audi will likely make sure that the R gets less horsepower than the S3 since the S3 will be quite a bit more expensive. However it is the same engine, just tuned to a little less horsepower.

Tuning potential of this new 2.0T should be great. Not only that, but this new version of the 2.0T will be built in Mexico at the new engine factory alongside the new 1.8T FSI. So expect this new 2.0T to replace the current 2.0T in all VW models.

Good times.

- Jamie

Jamie, but the previous S3 had the same power output (drivetrain, etc) as the Golf R, why not the new ones?

[VWPDX]

Jamie, but the previous S3 had the same power output (drivetrain, etc) as the Golf R, why not the new ones?

The S3 was a full two years old when the R was released in 2010. They were extending the life of the corporate parts bin. With two brand new models, Audi power > Vw power.

[Waterfan]

The S3 was a full two years old when the R was released in 2010. They were extending the life of the corporate parts bin. With two brand new models, Audi power > Vw power.

Exactly this.

[R20]

With two brand new models, Audi power > Vw power.

??

To me, VW Audi have made all models even more similar using the Modular assembly platform. The new Leon, A3, and Golf look more alike than ever before. I do agree with audi power greater than vw...however that will be for sure the new Golf R engine and if "detuned" my guess is to 295 hp

[flexxGER]

There are additional taxes on any vehicle sold in Germany with more than 2.0l of displacement, so continuing to evolve that displacement is the priority.

That is not exactly true. Taxes are based on displacement and co2 emissions. The increments for displacement are €2/year for every 100 cm3 and there is no additional tax when going from 1901 to 2001 cm3.

2.0l just seems to be the most efficient way to build a powerful inline-4 cylinder engine with forced induction.

little example:

yearly tax in Germany after 2009:

VW Golf R32 mkV: €314
VW Golf R mkVI: €218

Of course fuel and insurance costs are way higher than that so it wont make much of a difference for most people.

The primary reason for manufacturers to go for downsized engines is their advantge in the official consumption tests in the NEFZ (European EPA counterpart). This lowers the manufacturers fleet consumption which is essential to meet the harsh EU limits for co2 emissions and avoid fines.

I know the whole climate and co2 discussion is a bunch of HS but the EUDSSR reigns supreme and manufacturers have to bow if their lobbyists fail.

But hey the only disadvantge of the 2 liter engines is their sound and turbolag.