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    Thread: Driven: 2013 Ford Fusion w/ 1.6 and 2.0 Ecoboost

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      09-21-2012 03:37 PM #26
      Quote Originally Posted by FissionMailed View Post
      Americans just like traditional sedans, I reckon. I agree that the liftback looks nice (like a poor man's A7) but I don't think the Mazda 6 liftback sold very well.

      Plus I guess it would keep the cost of the car down a little bit
      Well if Ford sold only the liftback, it would in theory sell just as well as the standard sedan, while also pulling in the market that is looking for the extra utility which was previously untapped. The Mondeo liftback looks almost indistinguishable from the sedan, so it wouldn't be off-putting looks-wise for sedan aficionados.

      I don't know about cost... The Mazda 6 5-door was ~$2,000 more than the sedan base to base in 2004, but I'm unsure as to whether the 5-door came standard with any more equipment or if they were identical outside of the liftback vs. trunk.

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      09-21-2012 04:00 PM #27
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      Well if Ford sold only the liftback, it would in theory sell just as well as the standard sedan, while also pulling in the market that is looking for the extra utility which was previously untapped. The Mondeo liftback looks almost indistinguishable from the sedan, so it wouldn't be off-putting looks-wise for sedan aficionados.
      I don't know if I'd say it is indistinguishable. They do look very similar, which makes me wonder if the sedan came along specifically to be sold in the US or something.

      I get what you're saying about selling as well and also pulling in extra customers based on utility, but I can't help but feel that the car would get looked down upon (in the US, anyways) for basically being a hatchback.

      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      I don't know about cost... The Mazda 6 5-door was ~$2,000 more than the sedan base to base in 2004,
      I'm sorry for not being clear- that's what I am saying. The sedan is (likely) cheaper to build than the liftback, therefore, cheaper pricing. Of course, if they're all liftbacks, I guess the cost difference wouldn't matter as much, the car certainly wouldn't start $2,000 higher, you'd think.

      Really, though, it's hard to say. Do you know of any similar situation- cars that were sold at approximately the same price in both sedan/liftback variants? Would be nice to compare sales numbers.

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      09-21-2012 04:01 PM #28
      aaaarghh! fail again! why no 6MT-2.0T-AWD????
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      09-21-2012 04:04 PM #29
      Quote Originally Posted by firstorbit84 View Post
      aaaarghh! fail again! why no 6MT-2.0T-AWD????
      Because they would sell about 4 of them.

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      09-21-2012 04:05 PM #30
      Quote Originally Posted by firstorbit84 View Post
      aaaarghh! fail again! why no 6MT-2.0T-AWD????
      Maybe the forthcoming "Sport" will finally carry a manual as an option, and it will all but guaranteed to be AWD.

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      09-21-2012 04:33 PM #31
      Whoops, my bad. I tried to google 1G Fusion V6 with a M/T but was not successful. I thought it would have been a Canuckstan special, but I guess that is not the case. Strangely enough, the Ford seems to hold a higher resale $ than the Mazda, though the latter looks so much better .. both in and out!

      I miss my V6 5m/t hatch

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      09-21-2012 04:46 PM #32
      Ford continues to impress me. Love the thought of a 1.6 6-MT and the hybrid looks like a clear winner in the midsize segment. Well done, Ford!
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      09-24-2012 02:20 PM #33
      Autoblog really likes it (check out the Sport model in the video):

      http://www.autoblog.com/2012/09/24/2...-review-video/

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      09-24-2012 02:23 PM #34
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      09-24-2012 02:26 PM #35
      Quote Originally Posted by firstorbit84 View Post
      aaaarghh! fail again! why no 6MT-2.0T-AWD????
      Because AWD in this class is a snow-belt safety blanket, not a serious performance option, and because they'd sell about a dozen of them.

      The 2WD 2.0T is going to drive just as well as the AWD model - probably better, as it'd be lighter.
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      09-24-2012 03:40 PM #36
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      Well if Ford sold only the liftback, it would in theory sell just as well as the standard sedan, while also pulling in the market that is looking for the extra utility which was previously untapped. The Mondeo liftback looks almost indistinguishable from the sedan, so it wouldn't be off-putting looks-wise for sedan aficionados.

      I don't know about cost... The Mazda 6 5-door was ~$2,000 more than the sedan base to base in 2004, but I'm unsure as to whether the 5-door came standard with any more equipment or if they were identical outside of the liftback vs. trunk.
      From a practical standpoint, the 5-door didn't cost any more than the sedan. They put enough cash on the hood to make the hatches very attractive.

      My 5-Door V6 had the Sun & Sound package added on. MSRP was $27,xxx, paid $24,xxx OTD for it. A sedan with the same equipment would have cost me $500 more. Trivial, but it just illustrates that they were essentially the same price at a dealer.
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      10-01-2012 02:00 PM #37
      Any TCL'ers driven the AWD 2013 Fusion?

      I like the concept of an AWD *good looking* domestic sedan that gets 31 mpg with a 273 hp 2.0T.
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      10-01-2012 05:39 PM #38
      Quote Originally Posted by nickthaskater View Post
      The Mondeo is available as a sedan, liftback and wagon, but North America is only getting the sedan. Why they didn't just give us the liftback and say it was a sedan is beyond me.



      There is going to be a Fusion Sport, but who knows, maybe they'll call it the "ST" to keep in line with the Fiesta and Focus.



      The first-gen never came with a manual mated to the V6, only the I4; however, you could get a fully-loaded SEL with leather etc. on the first-gen with the manual, whereas the second-gen only offered up a manual on the lower-end cars.

      That said, the second-gen was available with a minty fresh 6-speed manual to the first-gen's 5-speed.
      details on the Fusion Sport please!!

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      10-03-2012 10:41 PM #39
      Looky what's at my local dealer:








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      10-03-2012 11:16 PM #40
      That is such a good looking car.

      If the Hybrid gets anything close to the 47 MPG...I'm going to be VERY hard pressed to not go after the titanium hybrid.



      Quote Originally Posted by silverspeedbuggy View Post
      Looky what's at my local dealer:








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      10-04-2012 10:42 PM #41
      We've got a pair of '13 Fusions on the ground at Heiser Ford Lincoln in Glendale, WI - one Tuxedo Black with a moonroof, one in Bordeaux Reserve Metallic without.

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      10-04-2012 11:02 PM #42
      1.6T with a manual..... Any info if that is available with a Sport Suspension?
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      10-09-2012 07:10 PM #43
      2.0T Titanium















      Add'l pics of 1.4T w/ Sport Appearance pkg:




      I hadn't notice the small stationary windows in the door before today:




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      10-09-2012 07:38 PM #44
      That is an attractive bread and butter car. Well done Ford.
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      10-09-2012 07:58 PM #45
      I have decided I don't like these, in case anyone cares. But seriously, something just feels off. My favorite boring family sedans right now are the Accord, Passat, and Altima.
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      10-09-2012 08:04 PM #46
      Quote Originally Posted by TangoRed View Post
      I have decided I don't like these, in case anyone cares. But seriously, something just feels off. My favorite boring family sedans right now are the Accord, Passat, and Altima.
      I'm a huge Ford slappy; I saw my first Fusion last night and I'm toeing the line with regard to whether or not I like it. I know the high beltline/slab-sided look is in right now and frankly, I like it, but I think it sorta threw me off on the Fusion at first glance.

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      10-09-2012 10:38 PM #47
      That color and those rims look horrible IMHO.
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      10-09-2012 11:03 PM #48
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      That color and those rims look horrible IMHO.
      Black is horrible? I very much prefer the wheels on the 1.4 sport pkg.

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      10-09-2012 11:12 PM #49
      Quote Originally Posted by silverspeedbuggy View Post
      Black is horrible? I very much prefer the wheels on the 1.4 sport pkg.
      It doesn't showcase the lines of the car, and it looks like some po-dunk undercover cop car.
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    25. 10-09-2012 11:28 PM #50
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      It doesn't showcase the lines of the car, and it looks like some po-dunk undercover cop car.
      Also, it looks like the suspension is still in "delivery mode."

      That said... the silver one is the major hotness.
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