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    Thread: My First Drive of 2013 Cadillac ATS

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      09-25-2012 03:04 PM #51
      Quote Originally Posted by DougLovesCars View Post
      Encore is the best-looking vehicle in the segment. If they gave it to us with a manual transmission I'd replace my DD with it. So I guess at least ONE person likes it.

      Looks good in white, and I usually don't like white cars.


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      09-25-2012 03:04 PM #52
      Quote Originally Posted by GTRaavv View Post
      His comment was that nothing in this segment looks good. And while those may look better than the Encore - hard to say unless you've seen one in person - neither of them is what I would considered good-looking in any sense of the word. One has the excitement factor of a 2 week old cat turd and the other looks like a Chinese caricature.
      I think you will find many people for whom two week old cat turd is very exciting indeed.

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      09-25-2012 03:27 PM #53
      Quote Originally Posted by whitejeep1989 View Post
      Looks good in white, and I usually don't like white cars.

      actually not half bad looking. pretty equal to the rest of its class.
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      09-25-2012 03:37 PM #54
      Quote Originally Posted by baljet View Post
      I think you will find many people for whom two week old cat turd is very exciting indeed.
      My dog is one of those people. "Oh look humanbeast, cat turd! Want to nom! Pleasepleasepleaseplease let me eat it"
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    5. 09-25-2012 06:24 PM #55
      Quote Originally Posted by jwaters943 View Post
      So what. The Sportage is even less and looks better than the Buick.
      Those cars are also all an entire class size larger...
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      09-25-2012 06:55 PM #56
      Quote Originally Posted by GTRaavv View Post
      When I built a C250 it soared across the $40,000 mark quite quickly without ticking anything I would considered crazy. I really don't see the big fuss about the pricing. If Cadillac priced this lower then people would be up in arms saying that Cadillac cannot compete with the Germans at a similar price. I think the brand is far more concerned with getting back its luxury image for the future than picking up every value shopper it can, and pricing a competitive car at a competitive price rather than at a discount is exactly the way to go about achieving that goal. They can always give away rebates later if necessary.
      my Dad got his C250 for under 40k and it was pretty loaded up...i should know, i did the negotiating . I remember GM saying that the ATS was going to undercut the competitors by a significant amount. Though i did look at the prices of the cars at various dealerships and you can get a pretty well equipped V6 ATS for about the same price of a loaded 328i, so maybe my argument isnt so strong lol

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      09-25-2012 06:59 PM #57
      Quote Originally Posted by caliatenza View Post
      Though i did look at the prices of the cars at various dealerships and you can get a pretty well equipped V6 ATS for about the same price of a loaded 328i, so maybe my argument isnt so strong lol
      BMW kills you with options (most German cars seem to be like this, w/ Porsche being the worst). Sure, a 328i starts at $34k or whatever, but by the time you add some basic options it's at $40k, and it's pretty easy to get to $50k with just a few more options.

      I have a feeling than when you compare similarly-equipped cars, the Caddy will be less expensive. Maybe not by a huge amount, but I think it will undercut the Germans. Plus, even if the sticker says the car is $45k, it's a domestic so I will assume it will be marked down with incentives.

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      09-25-2012 07:20 PM #58
      Quote Originally Posted by caliatenza View Post
      yeah i thought the base motor was gonna suck lol. I think Cadillac dropped the ball on the pricing though...i wish they would have undercut the 3 series a lot more...
      But why should they?

      If it can stand toe to toe with the 3 series, why should they offer it at Hyundai money?

      Oh, and by the way: As stated above, it's a lot cheaper than a comparable 3 series. In the other ATS thread I demonstrated what a 335i and ATS 3.6 cost when similarly optioned. The 3 series is considerably more.

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      09-25-2012 07:33 PM #59
      Quote Originally Posted by Numbersix View Post
      In the other ATS thread I demonstrated what a 335i and ATS 3.6 cost when similarly optioned. The 3 series is considerably more.
      I compared a fully loaded G37 and a 335i and the price difference is insane. Having owned a 335i and driven several G37s, the massive price difference (when new) is just not worth it. My 335i was $42k brand new, and the only options it had were Sport Package and paddle shifters for the steptronic. The G37 I test drove a few months ago had what seemed like every option (all the Sport package cars are fully loaded) and it was $42k. A similarly optioned 335i would have been $50k.

      CPO prices are a different thing, but comparing new cars its not even close.

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      09-25-2012 07:37 PM #60
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Brand image.
      The nonsensical and biased opinions of internet dorks aside, Cadillac doesn't have a brand image so bad that it needs to sell only on value.
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      09-25-2012 07:54 PM #61
      Quote Originally Posted by rynodyno312 View Post
      Plus, even if the sticker says the car is $45k, it's a domestic so I will assume it will be marked down with incentives.
      Caddy isn't as generous as the other GM makes...remember, they're turning a pretty good profit.

      Quote Originally Posted by Turbio! View Post
      The nonsensical and biased opinions of internet dorks aside, Cadillac doesn't have a brand image so bad that it needs to sell only on value.
      again, they're actually selling well and people really like the look of them...as much as TCL hates to admit it, a good looking car often has a lot better brand perception. Caddy has gone a long ways in bringing their brand image up to some pretty high+mighty nameplates.

      10 years ago, if you said Caddy and 3-series in the same sentence, you'd have been burned at the stake.
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      09-25-2012 08:02 PM #62
      when do the 2.0T models hit the lots?

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      09-25-2012 08:04 PM #63
      Quote Originally Posted by rynodyno312 View Post
      I compared a fully loaded G37 and a 335i and the price difference is insane. Having owned a 335i and driven several G37s, the massive price difference (when new) is just not worth it. My 335i was $42k brand new, and the only options it had were Sport Package and paddle shifters for the steptronic. The G37 I test drove a few months ago had what seemed like every option (all the Sport package cars are fully loaded) and it was $42k. A similarly optioned 335i would have been $50k.

      CPO prices are a different thing, but comparing new cars its not even close.
      Honestly i would be very happy with a G37...its a great value for the price.

    14. 09-25-2012 08:22 PM #64
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Brand image.




      I'll find more; if you find me some and refute my post.
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      09-25-2012 09:37 PM #65
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Brand image.
      Is your brain dysfunctional?
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    16. 09-25-2012 10:04 PM #66
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Any of these cars would be great to own at the end of the day its just down to personal choice.

      Normally when I ask an Audi owner why they chose their car they point to the so called tacky Fairy Lights at the front of the car.

      When I ask an Mercedes owner they say the finance deal was so much cheaper.

      BMW owners have usually tested all 3 and say they wanted a car that was involving and a real drivers car.
      Really?

      Usually what I hear is this:

      I bought an Audi because its an Audi.

      I bought a Mercedes because its a Mercedes.

      I bought a BMW because its a BMW. ........
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      09-25-2012 11:11 PM #67
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Exactly. Cadillac is not even in the picture.
      Keep repeating it, and it might come true.

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      09-25-2012 11:14 PM #68
      Quote Originally Posted by DougLovesCars View Post
      Encore is the best-looking vehicle in the segment. If they gave it to us with a manual transmission I'd replace my DD with it. So I guess at least ONE person likes it.

      I think there will be quite a few people who will like the Encore.

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      09-25-2012 11:16 PM #69
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Exactly. Cadillac is not even in the picture.
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      Any of these cars would be great to own at the end of the day its just down to personal choice.

      Normally when I ask an Audi owner why they chose their car they point to the so called tacky Fairy Lights at the front of the car.

      When I ask an Mercedes owner they say the finance deal was so much cheaper.

      BMW owners have usually tested all 3 and say they wanted a car that was involving and a real drivers car.

      As an owner of many cars I feel I have the best brand of car you can get and when I see an Audi or Merc know I have the best car.

      Audi Merc and Cadillac drivers in my opinion cannot really say this and must wish they too owned a BMW every time they see one.
      Cadillac has a very strong brand in the US, but the product is what has held it back. Cadillac needs a proper flagship.

    20. 09-25-2012 11:33 PM #70
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      I agree. Their selection pales in comparison to the German brands. Right now they have four model-lines that are class-competitive.. BMW has ten. Last year there was a nice concept that reminded me of a 60's Continental, but I guess they decided not to go through with it.
      just because BMW is the only vehicle in a class, doesn't mean they are 'class competitive'


      I'll name Cadillac's
      CTS
      XTS
      SRX
      Escalade
      ATS

      There's 5 model lines and Cadillac has a total of 5 models...

      BMW has 10 model lines, 5 of which are exactly what Cadillac has (3, 5, 7ish, X3, X5)

      The only vehicles Cadillac currently can't compete with at BMW that I would declare need extreme cash investment are the X1/1 series and a true 7 series.

      Everything else is a rebody of what GM already has platforms for.

      and the Cadillac Omega flagship is coming, and it will cost $120-$180k and have a LOT of styling cues from the Ciel (the vehicle you referenced which was a pure prototype a year ago, you need to learn time frames). There is a good source who dropped that information.
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      09-25-2012 11:42 PM #71
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      I agree. Their selection pales in comparison to the German brands. Right now they have four model-lines that are class-competitive.. BMW has ten. Last year there was a nice concept that reminded me of a 60's Continental, but I guess they decided not to go through with it.
      Last I checked BMW was getting ass raped by Audi in every segment.

      XTS doesn't compete with anything BMW has.. even the current SRX is FWD based
      Dafuq does being FWD based true or not have to do with anything.
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    22. 09-25-2012 11:43 PM #72
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      XTS doesn't compete with anything BMW has.. even the current SRX is FWD based
      no one in the SRX category gives a flying you know what how it's architecture is established, as long as its AWD.

      and 7ish was there for a reason.

      it will hold over for the next 16 months
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    23. 09-25-2012 11:44 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by 2.0T_Convert View Post
      Last I checked BMW was getting ass raped by Audi in every segment.
      man, let me discuss sales numbers with him once i beat him over the head with the 'nitty gritty' and then when he tries to discuss 'the big picture' i'll show him that too.

      i already shot his 'brand image' to pieces with 3 very sufficient very telling graphs.

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      09-26-2012 12:11 AM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      You do realize the graph based on brand appeal proves my point?
      Proves that Cadillac sits right below Lexus and the Germans in brand appeal. In other words above all the quasi-luxury brands like Volvo, Acura, and Lincoln. And then all the regular brands like Hyundai, Honda, etc...

      So remind me again why Cadillac should be competing by being a budget luxury brand?
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    25. 09-26-2012 12:13 AM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by NoXenons View Post
      You do realize the graph based on brand appeal proves my point?
      That 3.6% separates Cadillac and BMW?

      I knew you would use that, and never realize that 3.6% is the difference.

      The only brands not within 5% of Cadillac that is above it is Porsche and Jaguar, and they currently do not have dreams to overtake Porsche nor Jaguar.

      let's not mention the HUGE difference in the VDS and the larger difference in IQS
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