I'm not an Aaron Rodgers homer of any sort but everyone all over the nation knew how Brett Favre acted. It just seemed at the very least curious that somebody would call Rodgers cocky when he replaces Favre of all players.
Originally Posted by Car ProblemsOriginally Posted by Rob Cote
It's games like this that reassure me that the NFL isn't worth the time. You don't see the winey players who are getting payed million to play football in college football.
I'm a huge Russell Wilson fan and glad he got a win but it was a terrible call. Let's face it the game was doomed from the start.
I think this is a good point to stop watching the NFL, College seems to be more entertaining as the players have to either put up or loose everything they've been working for.
BTW I live in WI. So like I said upset in the poor called game, but happy for Wilson, since every analyst said he couldn't play professional football
That video cuts off too soon. In fact, the last bit shows the Seahawk player going up
at the same time as the Packer player. The Seahawk player was roughly to the side,
but not behind, the Packer player.
If the Seahawk player has both hands on the ball from beginning to end of the play,
it's a tie and a TD.
If the Seahawk player didn't have both hands at the beginning, but instead reached
around and grabbed with both hands afterwards, then yes, I'd understand.
Just because the Green Bay player, AFTER they went to ground, rolled away from
the Seahawk player in an attempt to rip away the ball is no excuse.
Or, let me put it another way: imagine if there was no Green Bay player involved.
Did the Seahawk player go up, make the catch, and maintain possession after
falling to the ground? YES. Regardless if some player rips the ball away after-the-fact,
it's still a completed catch.
I have seen the video over and over, and I can't find a replay in slow motion from
a different angle. Anybody have a link?
Last edited by adoniram7; 09-25-2012 at 09:40 AM.
Just be grateful the refs didn't cost you a Superbowl. You know, the refs you all want back right now, are the same ones that did everything in their power to take that Superbowl away from Seattle.
Normal ref or replacement refs, they all make horrible decisions on the field.
luckily, that's not how this works. and he did NOT make the catch.
the video i posted doesn't show the other angles as they did over and over during the game replays. further, the officials even can't agree while on the field (which is why one waved it off and the other put his amrs up). even the ANNOUNCERS saw that it was an interception.
the ball is caught by the GB player (he takes the pass in the chest), and Tate (seahawks) has a single hand on it in the air and on the way down.
Tate never had possession of that ball. and that's why he was as stunned as the Packers were when it was declared a touchdown, and why everybody watching is screaming bloody murder.
more angles, higher quality video, analyst discussion, and spelling out of the rule book:
Last edited by TwoLitreVW; 09-25-2012 at 10:17 AM.
shut your mouth. sh sh shut your mouth.
Don't forget about the blatant shove in the back by Tate which should have negated any call regarding who caught the ball anyhow.
I fully expect there to be all sorts of PI on a play like that, but that was so far ahead of the ball actually getting there that it was ridiculous.
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
ESPN.com article has some interviews with Vegas sports book operators, and some estimate that, worldwide, that call shifted ~$250 Million in bets last night!
Since about 70% of bets made were on GB, and without that touchdown call they would've won by 5, they would've covered the 3 1/2 points that most places gave them. I bet there were A LOT of angry people in the sports books last night....
The NFL has to get in there and negotiate something with the regular refs. Public opinion should force them to do something.
IMO, You can't say Green Bay should have won. You can't say Seattle should have one. All you can say is that the refs absolutely destroyed that game beyond any recognition. I watched the game at a sports bar, filled with Seahawks fans. Everyone was laughing, and shrugging their shoulders by the 3rd quarter at calls both for and against the hawks. People just completely stopped taking the game seriously.
It was a joke in every sense of the word. They made a handful of terrible calls to help GB get back into the game, then immediately followed by making a handful of terrible calls to help Seattle come back and win the game. Once all that started the game was ruined.
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On back to back nights, in primetime match-ups with 2 of the league's premier teams (Pats & Packers), the game was effected/ruined/lost on terrible ref calls.
The replacement refs are just horrible at knowing, and being consistent with, holding and PI. They are just clueless. They ignore blatant stuff and call ticky-tack stuff, all at, seemingly, the worst possible times.
They have zero control of the game and the players, coaches and now even the announcers have zero respect for them.
After this last weekend, and the last 2 primetime games, if I'm the Refs Union I don't give a single other concession, they've already moved much more then the League has.
Also, if the reports that are coming out that a number of these refs are Lingerie League rejects (I'm not kidding here) then Roger Goodell needs to resign. No hyperbole there, he should no longer have a job after this mess.
I'm skipping NFL this weekend except maybe catch a few plays of the Giants and Jets game. I'm sick and tired of watching all the horrendous calls being dished out. Have these refs ever sit home and watch a game at all?
A lot of these refs needs a vision and IQ test.
Hmmm. On some of the other videos it's clearer that the defender had first total
contact, and then the offensive player went for control. So, now I see the point.
I guess if I were Green Bay (and I have family in Wisconsin and Wisconsin blood
in my veins) I'd be wondering: why do we suck so much this season and why
aren't we up over the damned Seahawks by 30 points at the end of the game????
What I don't get is that the Refs REFUSE to bargain a key point: they're PART TIME
employees. The NFL wants to treat them as part-time, but apparently the refs want
to be considered full-time.
And this then is all the fault of the NFL?
Yeah, there's been a lot of bad calls. So, where are all the calls for the refs to
stop being butt-heads and give up that particular bargaining point? Pressure
should be applied to BOTH parties, not just one.
Update: more fuel for the fire: NFL backs up decision not to overturn call....
Last edited by adoniram7; 09-25-2012 at 01:04 PM.
The officiating has sucked across the board for entire games without doubt. These guys are a complete joke. Totally unprepared to deal with the pace of the NFL.
Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?
There are two main points separating the owners and the refs. Each needs to give in on one point, and get this over with.
Pension: NFL refs enjoy princely benefits for working just 16 game days a year. The league owners want to roll this back, shifting the current guaranteed pension plan to the same market-vulnerable 401(k) contributions that most employees have. The refs are screaming this would reduce the owners’ funding obligation by 60 percent. Well, yeah. On the other side of the argument is Andrew Brandt, a former NFL general manager and now analyst for ESPN, who questions “why anyone working a once-a-week job for less than half the year gets a pension at all.”
Is there a compromise? Yes. Green, the head of the NFL refs association, says that veteran refs have made long-term retirement decisions based on the current plan. That’s understandable. They want their pension plan to be grandfathered for current officials. Give it to them — and let the league hire new ones under the proposed 401(k).
Operations: The NFL says it wants to shift from a system of “entitlement” to one of “accountability” and be able to relieve an official who is performing badly with a quality replacement. It proposes hiring more refs, employing some of them full-time, and developing a “bench” so the quality of officiating improves. Incredibly, the refs are resisting this. Why? Because it’s in their best interests to remain a small organization, with the league totally reliant on each and every one of them. That way, they work more, and earn more.
But it’s not in the best interest of the game, the players or the spectators. We’ve all seen officials who seem to blow calls repeatedly, or whose bellies grow until they labor to keep up with the play. One of the amnesiac fallacies growing out of the current hapless officiating by third-tier college replacements is that the regular NFL crews don’t screw up so badly. We’ve forgotten just how awful they can be. Their work is not great, and the league is right to try to restructure operations.
One way the refs are digging in against this is by fighting over compensation. According to various analysts, the average official already makes $149,000, and the league claims to be offering pay increases of 5 to 11 percent. Now, that’s for moonlighting. Ninety percent of NFL officials have other full-time jobs. Let’s take an example. Say, Scott Green. He is a veteran official who started in 1991 and is regarded as a top back judge. He has appeared in three Super Bowls, also has been involved in some extremely poor and controversial calls.
Want to know his real job? He has his own Washington D.C. lobbying firm.
Know what he lobbies for? Safety issues.
The refs need to give in. Take your grandfathered pension, a moderate pay raise, and accept the sensible changes in operations the league wants to make.
The issue here is not whether the use of grossly under-qualified substitute officials makes the game slow, or unsightly, which it does, or whether there have been any competitive miscarriages, which there have.
The main issue is the chorus from players and coaches that poor officiating has created an uncontrolled environment that’s going to get someone badly injured. The owners need to make a concession, and the refs do too. So the guys who do the real work can do it without the equivalent of falling rock and loose soil causing unnecessary harm.