The Official Supercharged R32 owners vortex registry...

[vwgeorge2]

Hello and welcome to the R32 Supercharged owners thread.

This thread is for ANY owner of a Supercharged R32, or a different car with the same R32 motor.

I have not included 12 or 24 valve VR6 engines so we can stay focused and concentrate all our efforts for the most common gain in this 3.2 liter power plant.


Please feel free to post a pic of your car, a pic of you, and your name/state if thats ok. Plus the details about your build, when you got it, who installed it, how much you like it, etc...


And, whats your favorite aspect of owning a Supercharged R32 ;-) ???




Thanks

vwgeorge2 (Bill)









The stages below are loosely derived from multiple sources and subject to change over time through user inputs.

The PSI ratings are generally not important, but dealing with (1) motor this can be used for a general reference of performance capability.

The volumetric Efficiency of the R32 head is very high, therefore boost is relative to performance in this setup. The VE on the R32 head is guestimated at 90%, giving very little room for improvement.




Major Supercharger friendly companies:

1) HPA/Marcel=Makes a great entry/mid level supercharger kit

2) Verdict Motorsports/Phil&Noah=Makes long lasting/quality cog gears for most s/c applications

3) Superchargerebuilds/Tod=Makes s/c belts for most kits and sells rebuild kits for most s/c's

4) Vortech/tech support=Top quality sales and support for all Vortech head units

5) Ultrarev/any=Sells discount parts for most s/c installs

6) 928 Motorsports=Sells s/c rebuild kits and replacement impellers for the V2S headunit

7) Frozen Boost= Quality and inexpensive boost tubing and silicone to include a/w after coolers.





Stage I. V-9 Non-Intercooled, or equivalent, 750 CFM [4-7 PSI]

*** 1. Sku96 (Pat) VF/Cams/Miltek/UM
*** 2. rider_810 (Cameron) VF/Meth/GIAC

Stage II. V-9F/G Intercooled, or equivalent, 750 CFM [6-10 PSI]

*** 1. Vdubpeach (Jeremy) VF/GIAC/2.5 Pulley from MD
*** 2. Bruno89 (Justin) VF/APR/GIAC from NAS Lemoore


Stage 2+. V-9F/G/H intercooled a/w opt, w/smaller pulley, cams, modified blower, modified intake, modified exhaust, etc. 750-825 CFM [8-11 PSI]

*** 1. Basil Faulty (Chase) Hybrid VF/HPA/Bi-Fuel/2.5in Pulley @ Wisconson
*** 2. Mars2 (xxxxx) Modified VF (3.2 Eurovan)
*** 3. Woodone377 (Scott) HPA Typhoon II from Texas
*** 4. killakowal (Stan) VF/UM
*** 5. delawareR32 (Jason) HPA Typhoon II from Middletown DE
*** 6. o2awsum (xxxx) HPA Typhoon IXH/HF Cats/EIP Comp Exhaust @ Apex NC

Stage III. V-1/V-2 or Rotrex w/o cams, or equivalent, 800-1050 CFM [11-14 PSI]

*** 1. Audicoupej (John) VF/UM E-85
*** 2. Kieranp (Kieran) -Rotrex C30-

Stage IV. V-1 or V-2 w/cams, or equivalent, 1000-1050 CFM [12-14 PSI]

*** 2. NJVWR32 (Pat) (Top Dog 2011) VF kit

Stage V. V-1 or V-2 Heavily modified impeller, cams, modified intake, modified exhaust, special tuning, or equivalent, 1000-1150 CFM [13-17 PSI]

*** 1. Boudah (Ellery) Modified VF/Cams/928M/UM E-85 from MD
*** 1. GinsterDub (Jason) Modified VF/3.4 Pulley//928M Impeller/Exhaust/HF CATS/268 Cams/UM Tune

Stage VI. V-1T, SI, SC, or equivalent, Modified intake, cams, exhaust, special tuning, or equivalent, 1150-1400 CFM [14-19 PSI]

*** 1. vwgeorge2 (Bill) Modified VF/HPA/UM E-85/Cams from Ridgeley WV

Stage VII. V-7 YSI or maximum equivalent , Heavily modified intake, cams, exhaust, E-85 Bi-Fuel, special tuning, or equivalent, COG Pulleys, 1400> CFM [16-21 PSI]

*** 1. Vacant (In work as of 7 Oct 2012)






Below info taken from Verdict Motorsports Website.....

http://www.verdictmotorsports.com/Se...ults.asp?Cat=5



VR6 Supercharger Stage Kits Broken Down

Below you'll find the main hardware components of our supported and custom s/c kits.

Stage I [6psi]

Vortech V1,V2,V9
Stock Injectors
Appropriate Software

Stage II [8-10psi]

Vortech V1, V2, V9
315cc Injectors (30lb/hr)
Appropriate Software

Stage III [12-13psi]

Vortech V1, V2, (Max. Vortech V9 level)
Mk3/Corrado or MK4 Cogged Setup
380cc Injectors (36lb/hr)
Appropriate Software
Short Runner Intake Manifold (Required for MK4s)
Header or Downpipe


Stage IV+ [12-15psi+]

V1 / V1-T Trim / V2 / V2 Si / P1SC
MK3/Corrado or MK4 Cogged
380cc (36lb/hr) or 440cc (42lb/hr) Injectors
Appropriate Software
256 FI Supercharger Cams (some opt for 248's/262's/268's but 256's are most common)
9.4:1 Head Spacer (Required for T Trim and P1SC or Larger)
Cylinder Head Port Work
Short Runner Intake Manifold
Air/Water or Air/Air Intercooler
S2 Header or Larger Downpipe and Extrude Hone Exhaust Manifolds

Stage V [15-19psi]

P1SC / D1 / Modified V1 T-Trim / V7 YSI
MK3/Corrado or MK4 Cogged
440cc (42lb/hr) or 630cc (60lb/hr) Injectors
Appropriate Software
Big Valve Head
9.0:1 Head Spacer
268 or Custom Ground Cams
Short Runner Intake Manifold
Air/Water Intercooler
S2 Header or Larger Downpipe and Extrude Hone Exhaust Manifolds

Other technical data coming soon!

Supercharger	Gearcase	Max Speed	Max Boost	Max Flow	Max Power	Peak Efficiency	Inlet OD	Outlet OD
V-9 F	HD/Std	52000 RPM	13.5 PSI	750 CFM	550 HP	72%	3.5"	2.5"
V-5 F	HD/Std	52000 RPM	14 PSI	750 CFM	550 HP	76%	3.5"	2.5"
V-9 G	HD/Std	52000 RPM	14 PSI	825 CFM	600 HP	74%	3.625"	2.5"
V-5 G	HD/Std	52000 RPM	15 PSI	750 CFM	550 HP	73%	3.5"	2.5"
V-2 E	Std	52000 RPM	17 PSI	1150 CFM	775 HP	76%	3.63"	2.75"
V-2 SCi	Std	53000 RPM	17 PSI	1050 CFM	725 HP	75%	3.5"	2.75"
V-3 SCi	Std	53000 RPM	17 PSI	1050 CFM	725 HP	75%	3.5"	2.75"
V-1 S Superseded	Std	50000 RPM	20 PSI	1000 CFM	680 HP	72%	3.5"	2.75"
V-1 SC Superseded	Std	53000 RPM	20 PSI	1000 CFM	680 HP	75%	3.5"	2.75"
V-2 S Superseded	Std	50000 RPM	20 PSI	1000 CFM	680 HP	72%	3.5"	2.75"
V-2 SC Superseded	Std	53000 RPM	20 PSI	1000 CFM	680 HP	75%	3.5"	2.75"
V-1 SCi	HD	58000 RPM	21 PSI	1050 CFM	725 HP	75%	3.5"	2.75"
V-2 Si	Std	52000 RPM	22 PSI	1150 CFM	775 HP	78%	3.5"	2.75"
V-3 Si	Std	52000 RPM	22 PSI	1150 CFM	775 HP	78%	3.5"	2.75"
V-1 Si	HD	55000 RPM	26 PSI	1150 CFM	775 HP	78%	3.5"	2.75"
V-1 T	HD	55000 RPM	26 PSI	1200 CFM	825 HP	73%	3.75"	2.75"
V-7 YSi	HD	65000 RPM	30 PSI	1600 CFM	1200 HP	78%	4"	3"

[vwgeorge2]

vwgeorge2 build

[GinsterDub]

Ah Bill, I like where this is going!

Name: Jason

I started with a stg 2 kit with v.9 blower approx 2 years ago and over last winter upgraded to a stg 4 with v.2 blower. I've done the full install both times. So far loving it! I love the linear power coupled with the AWD. Makes for a fun and easy daily driver.

specs:
- v.2 vortec charger
- 550 cc injectors
- 4" maf
- UM tune
- (looking to do cams and UM profile for it this winter)
- (planning s/c rebuild this winter - contemplating the 928 vane)
- redoing the ductwork this fall to make it fit better, tuck closer to the frame
- also have blue controller in the rear and wavetrac diff in the front

[vwgeorge2]

Ah Bill, I like where this is going!

Thanks, I hope this thread can get all s/c R32 owners on a first name basis. We can then share mod info and find out what we can do based on others results. Maybe even get a group buy for the stage 1 and 2 guys pulley tensioners from HPA.

Dont forget your first name and a pic if you would

Thanks

Bill (vwgeorge2)

[Swapped6n]

Woo, nice thread.

Ill reserve this spot for later

[BOUDAH]

To Be Continued...

[vwgeorge2]

Ah Bill, I like where this is going!

Name: Jason

I started with a stg 2 kit with v.9 blower approx 2 years ago and over last winter upgraded to a stg 4 with v.2 blower. I've done the full install both times. So far loving it! I love the linear power coupled with the AWD. Makes for a fun and easy daily driver.

Jason,

Glad to see you did your own build! thats one of the best things about a s/c R...

I bet ive removed my blower no less than 30 times, im going to pull it again just after H2O...

Bill

[BOUDAH]

Jason,

Glad to see you did your own build! thats one of the best things about a s/c R...

I bet ive removed my blower no less than 30 times, im going to pull it again just after H2O...

Bill

Yeah.... but u are removing the V1 for a MONSTER

[vwgeorge2]

Yeah.... but u are removing the V1 for a MONSTER

Yes I am....

[VdubbPeach]

Hi, Bill! checking in.




V-9 F-Trim on 6psi, 5 bar fuel pressure, air to air intercooler, 300cell cats, 3" non res exhaust.

[anerness]

I'm gonna be in this group in the upcoming few weeks. I already have all my hardware or most of it. I have a full VF stage 2 kit waiting to be installed. I have a few questions still. I am gonna be using UM software but which injectors do I use? The UM website says 630cc but others have told me 550cc. With the stage 2 kit on UM software, milltek exhaust and lightweight pulleys would 320whp be attainable on 93 octane?

[BOUDAH]

I'm gonna be in this group in the upcoming few weeks. I already have all my hardware or most of it. I have a full VF stage 2 kit waiting to be installed. I have a few questions still. I am gonna be using UM software but which injectors do I use? The UM website says 630cc but others have told me 550cc. With the stage 2 kit on UM software, milltek exhaust and lightweight pulleys would 320whp be attainable on 93 octane?

Go with the Injectors that are specified for that software. The UM software leans toward a Turbo Application TBH and frankly 550's would be fin for a STG2, however if the software is tuned for 630s. usse them.


My STG 2 E85 Kit calls for 870cc injectors. I feel thats a tad excessive, but thats what UM calls for their software.

[mars2]

I have a VW T5 Van with same R32 engine.
Spec's are:

-Vortech V9F Stage 2 pulley 2.62"
- Frozen boost 600HP Awic, boost track including Awic exchanger is About 1 foot long.
- Huge AEM dry airfilter
-260/264 TT cam
-Bosch 55Occ injector
- VR6 specilalist flexfuel tune (based in Europe, France)
-magnaflow High flow cat's
-2.5" stainless exhaust
-Coolingmist WMI

Didn't dyno it yet but hope to be around 350 Whp

I would be in for the following group buy:
-HPA belt/tensioner
-2.5" pulley

[vwgeorge2]

I'm gonna be in this group in the upcoming few weeks. I already have all my hardware or most of it. I have a full VF stage 2 kit waiting to be installed. I have a few questions still. I am gonna be using UM software but which injectors do I use? The UM website says 630cc but others have told me 550cc. With the stage 2 kit on UM software, milltek exhaust and lightweight pulleys would 320whp be attainable on 93 octane?

Anerness,

With stage 2 you will be fine with 550cc injectors (Gas and E-85), you can put in bigger injectors if you wish but its not needed. I have the Bosch 550's in my car now at 400 FWHP and they are fine...

You can get a good file for your car from: UM, C2, and HPA

Enjoy

Bill

[anerness]

Anerness,

With stage 2 you will be fine with 550cc injectors (Gas and E-85), you can put in bigger injectors if you wish but its not needed. I have the Bosch 550's in my car now at 400 FWHP and they are fine...

You can get a good file for your car from: UM, C2, and HPA

Enjoy

Bill

Thanks for the reply. I wanted to go Turbo but I like to be different and do the VF kit with some other mods. I'll be updating this shortly.

[vwgeorge2]

Hi, Bill! checking in. Will update with specifics when I get the time.

Great seeing you at H2O Jeremy...

Looking forward to your update and inputs.

Bill

[R32R1]

Go rev your motor some more, I don't think people heard it enough

[mars2]

Sorry but I think I should be in stage 2+ as I have modified exhaust with high flow cat and TTcam and Awic with only 1 foot long boost track with only one 90° bend.
My boost gauge say that I'm at almost 9psI but I think it's a bit optimistic so i bought a knew one tat I'm going to instal in the next day

[mars2]

thanks for the upgrade to stage 2+

here is my short boost track

[mars2]

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[mars2]

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[mars2]

Sorry I'm not good at uploading picture.
this is how tight the engine fit so not that easy to work on it

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[DeckManDubs]

Great meeting you Bill @ H2Oi

[vwgeorge2]

Great meeting you Bill @ H2Oi

Great meeting you also Noah...I hope to see you both again real soon ;-)

Bill

[vwgeorge2]

thanks for the upgrade to stage 2+

here is my short boost track

WOW, I just viewed all your pics and thats quite the setup! That took some planning and work to get it looking like that. Very nice setup!

[mars2]

Thank's specialy coming from you I really have enjoy looking your work.
you have inspire me a lot

[Kieranp]

Name: Kieran
Started with VF stage II in 2007 which was changed for a CCR racing Rotrex kit in 2009

The car:


VF stage II install


What I liked:
The performance
The sound, the V9 sounded good at 5K+rpm
The look of a nice big shiny SC in the bay

What I disliked:
The rough sound at idle
Oil leaks killing 6 MAF’s
2 rebuilds in less than a year

Rotrex install:


Spec:
- Rotrex C30-94 giving 14PSI
- 550cc injectors
- UM software
- UM 4”MAF
- Aquamist water and methanol injection
- Wossner pistons
- Milltek manifolds, sports cats and catback exhaust

The C30-94 is rated at 0.39 kg/s or 747CFM, however I know from the MAF it’s flowing 420g/s or 0.42kg/s which is 805CFM (if it got the math right)

Likes:
The power, currently getting 474@ flywheel or 362@wheels
No problems with slipping belts
Reliability, the Rotrex was fitted at 60,000. The car is now on 91,000, the only maintenance needed for the SC is an oil change. Did suffer from a bearing failure in one of the idler pulleys
Stealthy install, just looks like a CAI

Dislikes:
Not as quiet as I was lead to believe
Lower MPG (downside of big power)
Position of air filter, have to be careful when there is standing water or deep puddles on the road.

To see how far the C30 will go, the Milltek system is coming off, the OEM manifolds have been opened out and will be mated to 2.25” down pipes and a custom 3” exhaust with de-cat.
New down pipes vs stock R32 down pipes

[vwgeorge2]

Name: Kieran
Started with VF stage II in 2007 which was changed for a CCR racing Rotrex kit in 2009

The car:


VF stage II install


What I liked:
The performance
The sound, the V9 sounded good at 5K+rpm
The look of a nice big shiny SC in the bay

What I disliked:
The rough sound at idle
Oil leaks killing 6 MAF’s
2 rebuilds in less than a year

Rotrex install:


Spec:
- Rotrex C30-94 giving 14PSI
- 550cc injectors
- UM software
- UM 4”MAF
- Aquamist water and methanol injection
- Wossner pistons
- Milltek manifolds, sports cats and catback exhaust

The C30-94 is rated at 0.39 kg/s or 747CFM, however I know from the MAF it’s flowing 420g/s or 0.42kg/s which is 805CFM (if it got the math right)

Likes:
The power, currently getting 474@ flywheel or 362@wheels
No problems with slipping belts
Reliability, the Rotrex was fitted at 60,000. The car is now on 91,000, the only maintenance needed for the SC is an oil change. Did suffer from a bearing failure in one of the idler pulleys
Stealthy install, just looks like a CAI

Dislikes:
Not as quiet as I was lead to believe
Lower MPG (downside of big power)
Position of air filter, have to be careful when there is standing water or deep puddles on the road.

To see how far the C30 will go, the Milltek system is coming off, the OEM manifolds have been opened out and will be mated to 2.25” down pipes and a custom 3” exhaust with de-cat.
New down pipes vs stock R32 down pipes

Kieran,

Very nice writeup! I like all the details and info...Im not sure where to place you with the C30 in the above catagories? Do you have cams?

Again very nice!

Bill

[Kieranp]

Kieran,

Very nice writeup! I like all the details and info...Im not sure where to place you with the C30 in the above catagories? Do you have cams?

Again very nice!

Bill

Thanks Bill, no not running cams, might do in the future though.

[VdubbPeach]

Updated with what I could think of off the top of my head and some pics.

[BOUDAH]

Peach, ur car is too GD sexy with those CK's

[VdubbPeach]

Thanks Ellery

[vwgeorge2]

Peach, ur car is too GD sexy with those CK's

You guys really need to have a hot chick in the pics just for good measure

Jeremy, how did you do the 3in exhaust, details please with results.

Bill

[BOUDAH]

I don't know any Hot chicks... peach does though But i agree. even if its winter.. bikini season is never over

[VdubbPeach]

You guys really need to have a hot chick in the pics just for good measure

Jeremy, how did you do the 3in exhaust, details please with results.

Bill

This is all I got for now.


It's 300cell magnaflow's in a USP testpipe and a EIP competition catback.

Buttdyno wouldn't have known a change because I had that on before the supercharger.

Ellery, you're gonna get me in trouble. lol