Username or Email Address
Do you already have an account?
Forgot your password?
  • Log in or Sign up

    VWVortex


    The Car Lounge
    Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123
    Results 71 to 89 of 89

    Thread: Motortrend Head 2 Head: BMW 328i vs. Cadillac ATS 2.0T

    1. 09-30-2012 01:59 PM #71
      The ATS does look better but i'd still take the bmw.


    2. Member
      Join Date
      Oct 16th, 2002
      Location
      Calgary
      Posts
      796
      Vehicles
      2014 Toyota Tundra, 2012 Honda Odyssey, 2004 BMW 330i ZHP
      10-05-2012 01:01 PM #73
      Quote Originally Posted by vasillalov View Post
      Both are true!

      BMW traditionally underrates their engines. The N54 in the e90 is rated 300/300 hp/tq stock, but it dynos around 280/285 whp/wtq.

      The N20 engine in the F30 BMW 328 is similarly underrated.
      Despite the 32 hp rating advantage in the Cadillac they make the same HP


    3. Senior Member Mazda 3s's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 12th, 2003
      Location
      Garner, NC
      Posts
      21,221
      Vehicles
      2013 VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI, 2013 Hyundai Elantra Limited
      10-05-2012 01:19 PM #74
      Quote Originally Posted by livingVoice View Post
      The Caddy's manual gets dinged again:

      The ATS was ultimately tripped up by two things that left it especially vulnerable against the BMW: its engine and gearbox.

      Cadillac claims the ATS achieves peak torque at 1700 rpm (the BMW can call up full grunt as low as 1250 rpm), but you’d never know it. Launching the Caddy proved difficult, with the car either bogging or frittering power away through excessive wheelspin. And though there’s power lurking in its little 4-banger, the ATS suffers from turbo lag, a congested-sounding exhaust note and a power curve that feels too compressed. All the urge seems concentrated between 2500 and 6000 rpm, where the more flexible BMW zings and sings anywhere from 1500 to 7000 rpm.

      Worse, the manual gearbox recalls the Ghost of Saabs Past, clanking its awkward chains. Throws are a bit long and loose-jointed; the Camaro ZL1’s manual is a paragon in comparison. Chasing the BMW on wooded back roads, I occasionally jammed the 3rd-to-2nd shift, killing forward progress.

      With a tight powerband and short gearing, the Cadillac requires two shifts, three gears and 6 seconds to reach 60 mph. That puts the ATS over a halfsecond behind the BMW, which needs only one shift to pass 60 mph. Yet, when the ATS carries its ample momentum through curves, this is still a fun and confident sedan. Though we did find ourselves wondering whether another ATS, with the stronger V-6 and an automatic transmission, will end up being the enthusiast’s choice, clutch pedal or not.
      "Of course that's just my opinion; I could be wrong."

      Quote Originally Posted by The Igneous Faction
      Have you ever popped the hood on a powerstroke E350?
      Quote Originally Posted by WhistlerYOW
      No, I got good grades in school

    4. Senior Member urogolf's Avatar
      Join Date
      Dec 10th, 2000
      Location
      Somerset, MA
      Posts
      24,932
      Vehicles
      03 Cooper S, 13 Plug In Prius, 11 RAV4
      10-05-2012 01:56 PM #75
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      Dammit GM!

      "Okay! I must have put a decimal point in the wrong place or something. S**t! I always do that. I always mess up some mundane detail."


      HAHAHAH
      still cant get past the grille/ light transition on the 3
      ................................................www.PRIDECOLLISION.com

    5. Banned Saintor's Avatar
      Join Date
      Dec 28th, 2003
      Posts
      9,577
      10-06-2012 07:48 PM #76
      I got my C&D... here are interesting figures;

      2013 ATS L4 2.0T 272HP / 2013 328i L4 2.0T 240HP / 2006 330i I6 3.0 255HP All manual.

      Weight 3477lbs / 3390lbs / 3458lbs
      On 1200miles+ 19mpg / 23mpg / 25mpg
      0-60mph 6.3s / 5.6s / 5.9s
      5-60mph 7.4s / 6.6s / 6.5s

      Those ridiculous 2.0T don't perform any better the larger NA engines of yore, not even direct injected neither are they significantly lighter. What a joke.

    6. 10-06-2012 08:43 PM #77
      Quote Originally Posted by Mazda 3s View Post
      The Caddy's manual gets dinged again:



      Ouch!
      But hey, it's Gm's first try at it!
      Wait for Next year or Next 2017 ATS model! Then they'd be VERY SERIOUS and really be "ATS VS THE WORLD".

    7. Member vasillalov's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 4th, 2003
      Location
      Chicago, IL
      Posts
      8,158
      Vehicles
      2008 BMW 335i
      10-06-2012 08:55 PM #78
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      I got my C&D... here are interesting figures;

      2013 ATS L4 2.0T 272HP / 2013 328i L4 2.0T 240HP / 2006 330i I6 3.0 255HP All manual.

      Weight 3477lbs / 3390lbs / 3458lbs
      On 1200miles+ 19mpg / 23mpg / 25mpg
      0-60mph 6.3s / 5.6s / 5.9s
      5-60mph 7.4s / 6.6s / 6.5s

      Those ridiculous 2.0T don't perform any better the larger NA engines of yore, not even direct injected neither are they significantly lighter. What a joke.
      Internet racing at its finest! LOL

      Overlay the torque and HP curves from the 2.0T engine over the straight 6 and we'll talk again.
      Quote Originally Posted by MAG58 View Post
      Please consider your audience before saying something sensible. 80% of TCL drivers were actually banned from Formula 1 for being too fast.
      A turbocharger is a device in where exhaust gases go in, witchcraft happens, and then you go faster.

    8. Banned Saintor's Avatar
      Join Date
      Dec 28th, 2003
      Posts
      9,577
      10-06-2012 09:01 PM #79
      Quote Originally Posted by vasillalov View Post
      Internet racing at its finest! LOL

      Overlay the torque and HP curves from the 2.0T engine over the straight 6 and we'll talk again.
      Well I prefer more real world figures like 5-60mph and actual mpg. Even more interested in NVH and engine sound; at 7/10 the ATS 2.0T is ordinary. The N20 got that poor rating as well in a previous comparo.

    9. Member Ross1013's Avatar
      Join Date
      May 25th, 2012
      Location
      NoVA
      Posts
      7,715
      Vehicles
      2009 Si sedan and 2012 Crosstour 4WD
      10-06-2012 09:40 PM #80
      I know Saintor is a bit of a flame magnet but he does make some good points.

      But between these two, I'll take the 328i all day, every day.
      Last edited by Ross1013; 10-06-2012 at 09:46 PM.

    10. Member curvedinfinity's Avatar
      Join Date
      Oct 11th, 2004
      Location
      Highway to the danger zone
      Posts
      8,517
      Vehicles
      F14 Tomcat
      10-06-2012 11:00 PM #81
      Quote Originally Posted by Ross1013 View Post
      I know Saintor is a bit of a flame magnet but he does make some good points.

      But between these two, I'll take the 328i all day, every day.
      I'd toss you into the flamebait and German worship buckets while we're at it.

      The 3 series is a great car, and I was at one point considering a 135i instead of my CTS-V, so I won't knock it. The ATS is a legitimate competitor that is better than it in some ways, worse in others. The best car is the compromise which fits a personality.

    11. Member choochoo's Avatar
      Join Date
      Nov 12th, 2008
      Location
      OC, CA
      Posts
      6,837
      Vehicles
      nothing to see here
      10-07-2012 02:03 AM #82
      finally saw a ATS on the road for the first time. The ATS looks more distinctive and less boring.

      I'm also one that still thinks the front of the new 3 series looks a bit.... odd...

    12. Member B3sat16v's Avatar
      Join Date
      Jan 23rd, 2002
      Location
      Around the world
      Posts
      7,410
      Vehicles
      MH-60R
      10-07-2012 02:23 AM #83
      Quote Originally Posted by Saintor View Post
      I got my C&D... here are interesting figures;

      2013 ATS L4 2.0T 272HP / 2013 328i L4 2.0T 240HP / 2006 330i I6 3.0 255HP All manual.

      Weight 3477lbs / 3390lbs / 3458lbs
      On 1200miles+ 19mpg / 23mpg / 25mpg
      0-60mph 6.3s / 5.6s / 5.9s
      5-60mph 7.4s / 6.6s / 6.5s

      Those ridiculous 2.0T don't perform any better the larger NA engines of yore, not even direct injected neither are they significantly lighter. What a joke.


      I have driven both the 335i and the 328i and the 328i felt nimbler and more toss-able. And I find it hard to believe that they get 23 MPG. Something sounds like BS here.

      I have a similarly rated 2.0T to the N20 and even when I drive the piss out of it I get better than 23 MPG.
      FLY NAVY

    13. Member mx5er's Avatar
      Join Date
      Apr 28th, 2001
      Location
      NY
      Posts
      13,205
      10-27-2012 01:38 AM #84
      Looks like GM is listening to the initial impressions from the press regarding the feel of the manual transmission: http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac...ort-issue.html

      Good for them Glad to see GM it taking things seriously and putting things in steps to address them regarding the ATS

    14. 10-27-2012 02:12 AM #85
      Quote Originally Posted by choochoo View Post
      finally saw a ATS on the road for the first time. The ATS looks more distinctive and less boring.

      I'm also one that still thinks the front of the new 3 series looks a bit.... odd...
      The front end of that thing looks like a mess. BMW probably played it too safe and it backed fire on them.

    15. 10-27-2012 04:38 AM #86
      Quote Originally Posted by Lucidd View Post
      Ouch!
      But hey, it's Gm's first try at it!
      Wait for Next year or Next 2017 ATS model! Then they'd be VERY SERIOUS and really be "ATS VS THE WORLD".
      Im tired of hearing this caddy im dissapointed, I thought theyw ere going to get this right out of the gate.

      I have to say kudos to BMW yet again they run with 1st place like Mr Pink ran with the diamonds in the end

    16. Member
      Join Date
      Jul 1st, 2011
      Location
      The Volt Bar
      Posts
      1,029
      Vehicles
      2015 Buick Regal GS, 2015 Cadillac Escalade
      10-27-2012 10:10 AM #87
      Quote Originally Posted by mx5er View Post
      Looks like GM is listening to the initial impressions from the press regarding the feel of the manual transmission: http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac...ort-issue.html

      Good for them Glad to see GM it taking things seriously and putting things in steps to address them regarding the ATS
      I know this is going to get glossed over--but this fixes the feel of the manual. I'll say this again: the ATS is a more entertaining drive.

    17. Member PlatinumGLS's Avatar
      Join Date
      Aug 2nd, 2003
      Location
      Shelby Township, MI
      Posts
      15,484
      Vehicles
      5.7, 5.3 & 5.0
      10-27-2012 10:13 AM #88
      Quote Originally Posted by mx5er View Post
      Looks like GM is listening to the initial impressions from the press regarding the feel of the manual transmission: http://www.leftlanenews.com/cadillac...ort-issue.html

      Good for them Glad to see GM it taking things seriously and putting things in steps to address them regarding the ATS
      Awesome
      Quote Originally Posted by admirallaserbeam
      Rotary engines suck, dont get the miata
      2014 Chrysler 300S Hemi AWD | 2011 Chevrolet Silverado 4x4 | 2000 Four Winns H180LS

      RareSportBikesForSale.com | CarCast | German Cars For Sale Blog

    Page 3 of 3 FirstFirst 123

    Posting Permissions

    • You may not post new threads
    • You may not post replies
    • You may not post attachments
    • You may not edit your posts
    •